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Which Romney Do You Believe? (Joseph On Flip-Flopping Mass Pol Alert)
Worldnetdaily.com ^ | 08/16/2007 | Joseph Farah

Posted on 08/15/2007 10:30:52 PM PDT by goldstategop

Mitt Romney, fresh from a victory in the Iowa straw poll, says now he was wrong to misrepresent his position on abortion as a candidate and governor of Massachusetts.

In other words, he admits he lied – then.

But, what if he wasn't lying back then? What if he merely believes in situational ethics? What if, like so many other politicians, he will merely say or do whatever is expedient to achieve political victory and power?

These are questions likely Republican voters should be asking themselves now – not when Romney is accepting the GOP nomination for the presidency.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: 2008election; flipflop; josephfarah; massachusetts; masspol; mittromney; republicanparty
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He was a zealous advocate for abortion as a Mass pol. Now he claims he's pro-life. Whatever else you can say about Mitt Romney, he's a flip flopper of the first order. Which one would you believe? Like Joseph Farah, I find it hard to like either one of them.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

1 posted on 08/15/2007 10:30:58 PM PDT by goldstategop
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To: goldstategop
Which Mitt Romney do I believe?

This one:



...the liberal massachusetts governor I won't be voting for, either in a primary, or in a general election.
2 posted on 08/15/2007 10:35:20 PM PDT by Old_Mil (Fred Thompson isn't the second coming of Reagan; He's the second coming of Dole.)
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To: Old_Mil
You don’t think all citizens deserve equal rights, regardless of their sexual preference????
3 posted on 08/15/2007 10:36:41 PM PDT by elizabetty (The funding dried up and I can no longer afford Tagline Messages.)
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To: elizabetty
You don’t think all citizens deserve equal rights, regardless of their sexual preference????

You believe in gay marriage and gay adoption? Nice try.
4 posted on 08/15/2007 10:38:58 PM PDT by Old_Mil (Fred Thompson isn't the second coming of Reagan; He's the second coming of Dole.)
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To: goldstategop
Romney is just a perfumed prince of privilege. Take away the perfume and the smell will gag you. I’ll never vote for the gun grabbing twit. Not ever.
5 posted on 08/15/2007 10:39:09 PM PDT by AlaskaErik (Run, Fred run! I will send my donation as soon as you announce.)
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To: elizabetty

Do I think Christian bookstores should be fined or prosecuted for refusing to hire someone openly involved in the homosexual lifestyle?

Or an emotionally-disturbed man who insists he’s a woman and wants to wear a dress to work?

No.

Any other questions?


6 posted on 08/15/2007 10:40:27 PM PDT by AFA-Michigan
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To: Old_Mil
You believe in gay marriage and gay adoption? Nice try.

Do you guys just sit around and make stuff up all day?

Gay marriage and gay adoption ARE NOT EQUAL RIGHTS, they is special rights.

Are you afraid to answer the question?
7 posted on 08/15/2007 10:41:21 PM PDT by elizabetty (The funding dried up and I can no longer afford Tagline Messages.)
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To: goldstategop

The Great Prevaricator word-tricks even himself

* Supported a woman’s “right to choose,” but Sunday said he “wasn’t pro-choice”

* Last Sunday said he was “wrong” to be pro-choice, this Sunday denied he ever was pro-choice

* Claims that since he never used the word “pro-choice,” he didn’t feel pro-choice, a word trick by which he apparently manipulates his own conscience sufficiently to let him claim he never was pro-choice

To paraphrase a well-known Democrat who also used word games to evade telling the truth...

It must depend on what your definition of the word “choice” is.


Mitt Romney, Fox News Sunday, August 12, 2007:

“I never called myself pro-choice. I never allowed myself to use the word ‘pro-choice,’ because I didn’t feel I was pro-choice. I would protect the law, I said, as it was, but I wasn’t pro-choice.”

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,293017,00.html


Romney, Aug. 5, 2007: “My greatest mistake was when I first ran for office being deeply opposed to abortion but saying I’d support the current law, which was pro-choice and effectively a pro-choice position. That was just wrong.”
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,293017,00.html

Romney, Aug. 6, 2007: “I never said I was pro-choice, but my position was effectively pro-choice.”
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2007-08-05-gop-debate_N.htm

Romney May 2007: “I was effectively pro-choice at that time.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/09/AR2007050902263.html

Romney 2002 gubernatorial campaign interview: “So when asked will I preserve and protect a woman’s right to choose, I make an unequivocal answer: yes.” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKwVNUz52vo

Romney 2002 gubernatorial debate: “I will preserve and protect a woman’s right to choose, and have devoted and am dedicated to honoring my word in that regard. ...I’m not going to make any changes that would make it more difficult for a woman to make that choice herself. ...A woman should have the right to make her own choice as to whether or not to have an abortion...I have held that view consistently. ...I do not take the position of a pro-life candidate. I’m in favor of preserving and protecting a woman’s right to choose.” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_w9pquznG4

Romney 1994 senatorial debate: “I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country. ...I believe that since Roe v. Wade has been the law for 20 years, we should sustain and support it, and I sustain and support that law and the right of a woman to make that choice.” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9IJUkYUbvI


8 posted on 08/15/2007 10:41:59 PM PDT by AFA-Michigan
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To: AFA-Michigan

What does any of that have to do with equal rights?


9 posted on 08/15/2007 10:42:11 PM PDT by elizabetty (The funding dried up and I can no longer afford Tagline Messages.)
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To: goldstategop

God! Am I really left the choice between Willard and Farah?

Can’t they both be wrong?


10 posted on 08/15/2007 10:42:51 PM PDT by Petronski (Just say no to Rudy McRomney.)
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To: AFA-Michigan
American Liar


As governor, [Ronald Reagan]
was adamantly pro-choice.

11 posted on 08/15/2007 10:44:54 PM PDT by Petronski (Just say no to Rudy McRomney.)
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To: goldstategop

>>>He was a zealous advocate for abortion as a Mass pol.<<<

Prove it.

Post the first veto he put in place that blocked a piece of specific pro-life legislation.

Post the first bill he signed that was specifically pro-abort.

If you can’t do either of the above, this is third-rate propaganda. It’s scorched earth politics, and it’s juvenile.


12 posted on 08/15/2007 10:44:55 PM PDT by CheyennePress
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To: AFA-Michigan
If he lied then, is he telling the truth now? Or if he told the truth then, how can he now claim to be pro-life? Even Bill Clinton parsed words a great more effectively than Romney.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

13 posted on 08/15/2007 10:45:39 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Old_Mil

>>>You believe in gay marriage and gay adoption? Nice try.<<<<

Mitt Romney doesn’t, either.

Matter of factly, if you can post the first quotation that says where Romney supports either, I’ll back Hunter.

If you can’t find the evidence, stuff it.


14 posted on 08/15/2007 10:46:29 PM PDT by CheyennePress
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To: goldstategop

For those who want to understand and to be fair, look it this way. There are three options as a politician in a liberal state like Massachusetts:

1. Go on the offense for the pro-life cause and have no chance to win in Massachusetts. This would be Alan Keyes and he would never be elected.

2. Go on the defense for the pro-life by promising the status quo while at the same time fight against liberalize abortion. This position is the only realistic one a conservative could take in Massachusetts. Mitt in 2002 campaigned against liberalizing abortion law. For instance, his opponent want lower the age to not require parental consent by two years. Mitt opposed that vocally. He also campaigned on abstitence in the 2002 election. And let us not forget he vetoed any legislation which further liberalized abortion law, here is the evidence:

He vetoed the bill providing state funding for human embryonic stem cell research
(Theo Emery, “Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney Vetoes Stem Cell Bill,” The Associated Press, 5/27/05)
He vetoed a bill that provided for the “morning after pill” without a prescription because it is an abortifacient and would have been available to minors without parental notification and consent
(Governor Mitt Romney, Op-Ed, “Why I Vetoed The Contraception Bill,” The Boston Globe, 7/26/05)

He vetoed legislation which would have redefined Massachusetts longstanding definition of the beginning of human life from fertilization to implantation
(Governor Mitt Romney, Letter To The Massachusetts State Senate And House Of Representatives, 5/12/05)

He supported parental notification laws and opposed efforts to weaken parental involvement
(John McElhenny, “O’Brien And Romney Spar In Last Debate Before Election,” The Associated Press, 10/29/02)

He fought to promote abstinence education in public school classrooms with a program offered by faith-based Boston group Healthy Futures to middle school students. Gov. Romney’s administration was the first in Massachusetts to use federal abstinence education funds for classroom programs.
(Office Of Governor Mitt Romney, Romney Announces Award of Abstinence Education Contract, April 20, 2006)

3. Go on the offense for abortion by liberalizing the abortion laws. This is Rudy’s record which advocated tax payer funding of abortion for poor women.

So, Mitt actually stopped Massachusetts from becoming more liberalized, that is commendable and it should give pause to those who criticize him. Maybe the critics don’t really care about the pro-life issues after-all. I wonder what motivates someone like that? Maybe the opinion makers should work on some self introspection on their motives.


16 posted on 08/15/2007 10:53:14 PM PDT by nowandlater
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To: elizabetty
Are you afraid to answer the question?

I believe that your chosen form of sexual behavior should entitle you to no rights whatsoever. Happy?
17 posted on 08/15/2007 10:54:32 PM PDT by Old_Mil (Fred Thompson isn't the second coming of Reagan; He's the second coming of Dole.)
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To: Powerclam

>>>Now, if someone could tell me why they called him a gun-grabber, I’d be interested.<<<

He backs an assault weapons ban.


18 posted on 08/15/2007 10:54:46 PM PDT by CheyennePress
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To: CheyennePress

Go back and read the flyer. What exactly do you think that slick was talking about?


19 posted on 08/15/2007 10:55:40 PM PDT by Old_Mil (Fred Thompson isn't the second coming of Reagan; He's the second coming of Dole.)
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To: Old_Mil

>>>I believe that your chosen form of sexual behavior should entitle you to no rights whatsoever. Happy?<<<

Should it take them away from you?


20 posted on 08/15/2007 10:56:38 PM PDT by CheyennePress
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