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"anyone associated with the Bush administration may be a less than credible" ....??

The people here without credibility are the drive by.

1 posted on 08/17/2007 4:10:08 AM PDT by IrishMike
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To: IrishMike

More Pollpaganda.


2 posted on 08/17/2007 4:13:34 AM PDT by SolidWood
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Here is a breakdown of the CNN slime job -

CNN released a new opinion poll today, and it appears that the slime campaign on General David Petraeus has now officially begun with a month to go before his report to Congress. CNN claimed on their Situation Room that only 28% of responders would be more likely to support the war if Petraeus reports the surge is showing signs of progress, 72% wouldn’t. And worse news, if one were to believe this poll, only 43% of those polled trusted Petraeus to give an accurate report in September, while 53% said they don’t trust the top U.S. military commander in Iraq.

Now let’s dive into the numbers a bit, to see how trusted this poll ought to be. The sample given by CNN is 1,029 Americans, with no political idenfitication given, taken over a three day period from the first part of August. Question 24 is the first question CNN released, which is:

24. Do you favor or oppose the U.S. war in Iraq? 24a. Is your mind made up about the war in Iraq or do you think you could change your mind?

Aug. 6-8

2007

Favor/mind made up 21%

Favor/could change mind 12%

Oppose/could change mind 17%

Oppose/mind made up 47%

No opinion 3%

So a total of 50%, if you include the supporters and those who state they could change their mind on Iraq are reported among the 1,029 sample. This actually might not be a bad number. But look what happens when you get to the stats against Petraeus and his upcoming report that CNN ran with.

32. As you may know, in September the top U.S. commander in Iraq will report to the President and Congress about how the war is going. If he reports that the U.S. is making progress, would that make you more likely to support the war, or would that have no effect on your view of the war? (ASKED OF HALF SAMPLE)

Aug. 6-8

2007

More likely to support the war 28%

No effect on your view of the war 72%

No opinion *

33. As you may know, in September the top U.S. commander in Iraq will report to the President and Congress about how the war is going. Do you trust him to report what’s really going on in Iraq without making the situation sound better than it actually is, or don’t you feel that way? (ASKED OF HALF SAMPLE)

Aug. 6-8

2007

Trust him to report what’s really going on 43%

Do not trust him to report what’s really going on 53%

No opinion 4%

Only half the sample was asked on each question, bringing the sample size of a U.S. population of 300 million people down to a little over 500 people. Which 500 were asked this question? Were only the left-leaning respondents asked the question on Petraeus? Why weren’t all respondents asked all the same questions? Would the results have been different? Why would CNN tout a 1,029 sample size when they really didn’t use a sample size that big to ask the juicy questions, the ones they’re manipulating to try and turn the tide against a positive Petraues report to Congress a month before he gives it?

I don’t trust CNN to not play around with the poll numbers. Until they cough up the rest of the methodology and questions, like which half they popped the full set of questions on, or if the full set were asked of the full sample size, why only half were used in certain questions, it’s a propaganda poll to push CNN’s agenda to declare defeat in Iraq no matter what the cost.

Show us the political ideology of who the half sample is, and the political ideology of the full sample size, and show a little transparency in the polling process if you want it to be believed. It’s hard to take a poll seriously when on the one hand, 50% can support the war or say they’re open minded to change their mind, and then in the next breath say 72% wouldn’t change their mind on Iraq regardles of what General Petraeus might say, because most people don’t trust him anyway. It’s a contradiction that busts this poll. CNN ought to have seen if it they wanted to be fair, but then again, CNN is not in the fair business.


3 posted on 08/17/2007 4:14:31 AM PDT by IrishMike (As America wins, the Democrats and their apologists lose.)
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To: IrishMike

So the drivebuy is saying we don’t trust the troops, since they work for GW


4 posted on 08/17/2007 4:14:46 AM PDT by omega4179 (Was the guy's name Mohammed?)
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To: IrishMike

I think flopping ages has a take down on this poll and how it falsified the results....here is a link, in case you are interested:

http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/08/16/cnn-backing-the-democratsshock/


5 posted on 08/17/2007 4:15:05 AM PDT by Laverne
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To: IrishMike

The MSM is afraid we are winning. The stories around a positive report will not be how well we are doing, but can we trust them. When push comes to shove, the MSM can not hide their blatant bias.


6 posted on 08/17/2007 4:17:25 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: IrishMike

Opinion Research Corp. is a blatant “Hillary for President” front. Vinod Gupta is Chairman/CEO, or major poo bah of ORC, and a huge friend and ally of the Clinton’s.

I don’t pay attention to polls as it is, but anything out of ORC/CNN definitely not worth the time.


10 posted on 08/17/2007 4:33:59 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists...call 'em what you will...They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: IrishMike

WOW so basically America is saying if the military says they got the job done we won’t believe them because they work for Bush. The Damage that the Democrats have done to this nation appears insurmountable....


11 posted on 08/17/2007 4:40:46 AM PDT by tomnbeverly (Show me exactly what Obama brought that was new and there you will find things only evil and inhuman)
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"The people here without credibility are the drive by."

Exactly! What's the credibility level that cnn has?

My guess is that it's lower than congress' credibility which is just about as low as whale dung.

Whale dung being almost as low as the NYT.

12 posted on 08/17/2007 4:44:11 AM PDT by Pietro
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To: IrishMike

This basically the same crap Reid was spouting the other day.

They are laying the ground work to dismiss the report IF it shows any progress.

Disgusting!


14 posted on 08/17/2007 4:55:20 AM PDT by Hazcat (We won an immigration BATTLE, the WAR is not over. Be ever vigilant.)
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To: IrishMike

This poll only represents the opinions of the 1029 people surveyed but is reported as how the majority of Americans think. Why don’t they survey the rest of the 301+ million of us and then report the results ?


15 posted on 08/17/2007 4:55:59 AM PDT by Mopp4
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To: IrishMike

I think they only polled CNN employees.


17 posted on 08/17/2007 5:06:15 AM PDT by Vanbasten
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To: IrishMike

Let us forget this bias poll for a moment. It does not matter a bit because the President gets his power from the Constitution not from public opinions polls. Thanks the Lord that President Bush understands this and he will do the right thing which to keep fighting the war until we win, and does not give a damn about the opinion polls. He proved time and again that when it comes to the war on terror he is a LEADER not a knee jerk politician and we should thank God for this everyday.


20 posted on 08/17/2007 5:10:58 AM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush)
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To: IrishMike

“anyone associated with the Bush administration may be a less than credible” ....??”

Don’t ask us. According to the media, we’re just a bunch of haters.


27 posted on 08/17/2007 5:46:55 AM PDT by popdonnelly (Our first responsibility is to keep the power of the Presidency out of the hands of the Clintons.)
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To: IrishMike

I call BS on this poll.


28 posted on 08/17/2007 5:53:39 AM PDT by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: IrishMike

OK - so the left DEMANDS “accountability” and “truth” on Iraq via reports. They fully expected the reports to be bad, more bad, and terrible.

But now that info is breaking loose that the reports are going to be surprisingly bright and positive, indicating measurable progress, they are now trying to discredit those same-said reports THEY called for.


29 posted on 08/17/2007 6:16:26 AM PDT by TheBattman (I've got TWO QUESTIONS for you....)
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To: IrishMike

CNN is pushpolling in advance of the report, I see.


32 posted on 08/17/2007 6:19:53 AM PDT by SuziQ
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During Rummy’s tenure, at his press conferences, he would take reporters to task for their inaccuracies.

Where is the WH/DoD media machine refuting this contrived analysis?

The adminatration loses this information war becasue they don’t fight it.


34 posted on 08/17/2007 6:33:58 AM PDT by PurpleMan
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To: IrishMike

What poll results do you want?

Poll 5,000 people. Take the 1023 (don’t use a round number) answers that give what you want.

Proof positive - Bush is bad, demonrats good, Iraq war is lost, hitlery is smartest woman in the world, economy is in the dumps...


36 posted on 08/17/2007 6:54:25 AM PDT by CPOSharky (An organization that kills those who do not believe it's dogma is NOT a religion.)
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To: IrishMike
Yet every poll ever taken puts the US Military near the top in admiration and integrity!!

Guess Gen Patreaus is admired and has integrity but if he says something the left doesn't want to hear, then he is also a LIAR!!

39 posted on 08/17/2007 7:22:08 AM PDT by PISANO (There is NO security & there can be none as long as there are suicide bombers!!)
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To: IrishMike
The MSM is still bent on discrediting The Surge through cooked polls.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

40 posted on 08/17/2007 10:49:39 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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