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Romney, Giuliani Escalate Their Immigration Fight
The Washington Post ^ | 8-17-07

Posted on 08/17/2007 7:34:17 AM PDT by JKrive

The two leading Republican presidential candidates have turned the GOP primary campaign into a nasty, week-long debate about illegal immigration, accusing each other of supporting efforts to give undocumented residents sanctuary from federal immigration laws.

At campaign stops, in radio ads and with increasingly hostile statements by supporters, former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney and former New York mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani are talking about little else as they position themselves on an issue critical to conservatives in their party.

"They are trying to rattle their sabers louder than the other and thump on their chests," said Angela Kelley, the deputy director of the pro-immigrant National Immigration Forum. "Both of these guys are trying to remake themselves."

Romney started the fight, and his criticism reflects his campaign's emerging strategy after the former governor's victory in the Iowa straw poll last Saturday. Romney's advisers would like to narrow the GOP race as much as possible to a two-person contest with Giuliani, and they are seeking to brand Romney as the true conservative in the race, in contrast to Giuliani.

They also hope to seize the initiative with conservatives before former senator Fred D. Thompson (Tenn.), expected to enter the race next month, can establish his own bona fides with the party's base.

At the heart of the Romney-Giuliani argument is the role of cities in the immigration crisis. Romney has said that New York, under Giuliani's leadership, became a magnet for illegal immigrants when city officials refused to strictly enforce federal deportation laws. Giuliani in return has accused Romney of looking the other way as cities and towns in Massachusetts declared themselves "sanctuaries" for lawbreakers.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: giuliani; immigration; romney
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To: detch
1. Allow the illegal immigrants that are here already to stay and WORK, provided they register into a national data base that then PROHIBITS them from EVER voting in America, unless and until they return to their country and go through legal channels for legal immigration status and eventual path to citizenship. If they don’t go back to their country, and just want to work, ok, but NO VOTING. This offsets the Democratic Party mass registration plans.

This whole statement is pure BS, unless you remove the anchor baby crap. And further this is no difference that the statement by several of th amnesty supports, return to there home land, then we find out that it could be wavered and never would be done. Put a cap of five years and then they must return home. And no anchor babies.

21 posted on 08/17/2007 8:46:14 AM PDT by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: org.whodat

Not one Democrat in Congress is going to allow mass deportation or require their departure after their five years are up, and many Republicans are not for that idea either.

That is pure pie-in-the-sky.


22 posted on 08/17/2007 8:57:38 AM PDT by detch
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To: uxbridge
In 2006, Ron Paul scored 95% (exactly the same as Coburn)

Except, like I said, Coburn don't do the earmark thing. Ron Paul does.

Therefore, when Ron Paul votes against the earmark and the spending, he gets credit from CAGW - but he was responsible for them being in the bill in the first place (where they get eventual passage from the majority).

Coburn does NOT place earmarks requests.

So the CAGW rating is misleading here.

23 posted on 08/17/2007 8:57:54 AM PDT by dirtboy (Impeach Chertoff and Gonzales. We can't wait until 2009 for them to be gone.)
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To: detch
So why didn’t you just say you were for amnesty and skip all the other BS. And Show me where I said anything about mass deportation. No jobs they will deport them selves.
24 posted on 08/17/2007 9:01:59 AM PDT by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: All

Probably the number one most important reality in the GOP field is that Thompson, knowing the focus on illegals, chose the open borders Abraham to run his not-yet-a-campaign.

He doesn’t care about illegals. At least the other candidates have made it a focus of speeches. He embraces a staff who prefer the Democrat side.


25 posted on 08/17/2007 9:25:40 AM PDT by Owen
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To: detch

NO AMNESTY.


26 posted on 08/17/2007 9:58:47 AM PDT by Kimberly GG
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To: Owen

“Probably the number one most important reality in the GOP field is that Thompson, knowing the focus on illegals, chose the open borders Abraham to run his not-yet-a-campaign.

He doesn’t care about illegals. At least the other candidates have made it a focus of speeches. He embraces a staff who prefer the Democrat side.”

yeah...I keep coming across Fredheads that support amnesty. I’m beginning to wonder if they just aren’t Open Borders Bushbots in disguise. Press them hard enough on the issue and they’ll threaten to get you banned, but eventually their ‘amnesty’ colors show.


27 posted on 08/17/2007 10:03:39 AM PDT by Kimberly GG
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To: JKrive

If the top placing GOP candidates were making attempts to appeal to the majority of Americans, they would all be saying NO to AMNESTY, without any compromise,for any illegal aliens, and that’s not the case.


28 posted on 08/17/2007 10:09:26 AM PDT by Kimberly GG
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To: Captain Kirk
There is a big difference. Romney actually had a tough anti-illegal alien record while governor. While he may have had a rogue mayor in some Massachusetts city trying to do the same thing Rudy was doing in NYC, Romney's record as governor was tough on illegals long before they marched in our streets waving their Mexican flags and before a lot of us were paying attention. Back in '03 he strongly opposed driver's licenses for illegals as well as in-state tuition breaks usually afforded to only legal residents of Massachusetts and insisted on English immersion in the schools. Could he have done more? Probably. But couldn't we all? In any event, he's been on the right side of this for a long time.

Romney's Tough Stance on Illegals in Massachusetts

Governor Romney: "McCain-Kennedy isn't the answer. As governor, I took a very different approach. I authorized our state police to enforce immigration laws. I vetoed a tuition break for illegals and said no to driver's licenses. McCain-Kennedy gives benefits to illegals that would cost taxpayers millions. And more importantly, amnesty didn't work 20 years ago, and it won't work today." (CPAC 2007 Speech, March 2, 2007)

29 posted on 08/17/2007 10:30:38 AM PDT by redgirlinabluestate (I am sick and tired of the holier than thous)
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To: dirtboy; TonyRo76; Captain Kirk
Romney's Massachusetts and Rudy's New York, where one can wander for days and hear only Spanish!

I guess that all happened after these two zealous border guard neo-xenophobes left town? Perhaps if Romney had Ummim and Thurim like old Joe Smith, he could have interpreted the problem better. He could have lent these magic spectacles to Rudy so he could have seen Washington Heights in NYC, where one-third of the population of the Dominican Republic now lives illegally. But that's OK, 'cause if you do the arithmetic both Romney and Rudy can figure out that soon the good old melting pot will be about a third salsa picante.

In 150 years, the only Euro-Americans left might be in petting zoos in Alaska. !Mira mira papi, su pelo es completamente blanco! African-Americans? No problem. perhaps America's new people can be induced to give up soccer, which is like watching varnish dry, and support the NFL.

30 posted on 08/17/2007 1:12:39 PM PDT by Zerodown (Round up and draft illegal latino males into a Foreign Legion. 7 years to citizenship.)
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To: starfish923
Mel Martinez at RNC headquarters ...is a clueless, pandering DOLT!

Watch the redundancy. RNC HQ pre-supposes he's a "clueless pandering dolt." every time I meet one of'em, I'm reminded of this table full of morons who lived and occasionally died at a card table in the back of the men's bar at the golf club.

Like the guys in the bar, the RNC lives in a dark, cool world of absurdly altered perceptions. They are seriously capable of taking our money and leaving us with HRC and BHO (or worse) for 8 long years or more of wandering in a politically correct socialist wilderness.

31 posted on 08/17/2007 1:29:17 PM PDT by Zerodown (The RNC. A non-election-winning equivalent of The Congressional Black Caucus.)
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To: Kimberly GG
Maybe the reason they are not doing so is because they realize that such an uncompromising position is not held by most Americans.
32 posted on 08/17/2007 3:50:24 PM PDT by End Times Crusader (Ron Paul : No Constitutionalist No conservative No Republican - Kick him out of the GOP)
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To: End Times Crusader

“Maybe the reason they are not doing so is because they realize that such an uncompromising position is not held by most Americans”

Most OBL illegal alien pandering politicians would agree, but thankfully they’re in the minority, like you.


33 posted on 08/17/2007 4:09:25 PM PDT by Kimberly GG
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To: JKrive


34 posted on 08/17/2007 4:11:43 PM PDT by ma bell (bollocks... its just bollocks)
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To: TonyRo76

“Neither one of these clowns holds a candle to TANCREDO when it comes to the immigration/invasion issue!”

Or Duncan Hunter!

DUNCAN HUNTER actually had a fence built which stopped drug trafficking and crime in San Diego, and HUNTER authored the bill for a fence from California thru Texas, which was signed into law.


35 posted on 08/17/2007 4:32:33 PM PDT by Sun (Duncan Hunter: pro-life/borders, understands Red China threat! http://www.gohunter08.com/Home.aspx)
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To: Kimberly GG
The lack of support for candidates such as Hunter, Tancredo, and Paul even among Republicans and conservatives says otherwise.
36 posted on 08/17/2007 4:45:02 PM PDT by End Times Crusader (Ron Paul - the insane candidate for the insane voter)
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