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Romney builds image as front-runner
The St. Petersburg Times ^ | August 18, 2007 | By ADAM C. SMITH

Posted on 08/19/2007 8:35:07 PM PDT by restornu

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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com

Wow, a humble family man is “arrogant” and because he is misinformed about guns, he is “Constitution hating freak”. Need I say more?!


51 posted on 08/20/2007 1:51:55 AM PDT by freeplancer
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist; restornu
Romney has a vision, translation; words from my consultant's. What Romney doesn't have is a message. Yes he has many messages, no plans to implement them.
52 posted on 08/20/2007 2:00:33 AM PDT by tiger-one (The night has a thousand eyes)
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To: MojoWire

RE; Hunter’s message

I’ll give you the same answer the Mitt fans give me go look at his websites.


53 posted on 08/20/2007 2:08:59 AM PDT by tiger-one (The night has a thousand eyes)
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To: Swordfished
You ignored Duncan Hunter. Not to put words in your head, but, I suspect you'll come back with, he can't win, or he is in the lower percentage etc.

Saving your brain from replying to my post, the answer to your question, Romney's message is more conservative than Hunter's, no.

54 posted on 08/20/2007 2:16:08 AM PDT by tiger-one (The night has a thousand eyes)
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To: restornu
Romney in a nut shell, from the article, The one-term governor selling change does have a track record: a Republican who has won over liberals in deep blue Massachusetts;

Truth; Romney did not win over the Massachusetts Liberals, he is a Massachusetts Liberal

55 posted on 08/20/2007 2:23:18 AM PDT by tiger-one (The night has a thousand eyes)
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To: Owen
Tactics trump policy every time. Mitt does not have a tactics, he has words written by consultants. Example, he has stated, I will increase the active military by 100,000 personnel, and never says how.

When listening or reading what Mitt has said, remember these words, What, When, Where, Why, Who and How. Mitt never satisfies the How

56 posted on 08/20/2007 2:39:53 AM PDT by tiger-one (The night has a thousand eyes)
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To: CheyennePress
You said, Romney’s vision is very clear in my estimation, and that is to make America competitive into the next century. He has addressed the need to lower our corporate taxation rates, which are some of the highest in the world. To bring about tort reform and reverse the trend that now has American corporations spending more money fighting lawsuits than in Research & Development. To reform our immigration system to bring in the best and the brightest—not the uneducated and the illiterate. He has spoken of lowering the capital gains tax to encourage middle class America to invest and save in their future (because social security isn’t going to be around). His energy policy is one of nuclear energy and new methods of refining to reduce dependence on the Middle East, Venezuela, and Mexico. Of controlling spending and ending this nonsense budget shortfall we’ve been running.

Pick anyone of these visions and tell me what Mitt has said HOW he will make the vision, reality? IE What is the plan?

57 posted on 08/20/2007 2:46:01 AM PDT by tiger-one (The night has a thousand eyes)
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To: MojoWire

I’m still waiting to hear what Senator John Kerry’s “plan” was when he ran for President in ‘04! Senator Kerry would keep saying, “I’ve got a plan!”, and that’s it!


58 posted on 08/20/2007 2:48:24 AM PDT by johnthebaptistmoore
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

“What is Fred’s message?
Federalism. Return to basic Constitutional principles.
Or Duncan’s?
Illegal immigration, the emerging China threat, fair trade, war on terror”

That’s interesting — those are Romney’s messages too. The only difference is Romney’s more articulate and has a much more presidential presence.


59 posted on 08/20/2007 4:44:48 AM PDT by tabsternager
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To: restornu

“As when he named Battlefield Earth, by Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard, as his favorite book. Or in Virginia when, for reasons unclear, he answered a question about nuclear power by noting that Adolf Hitler had pioneered liquefied coal.”

I am not going to lie, these two things concern me and I am going to have to look into this a bit more.


60 posted on 08/20/2007 5:10:31 AM PDT by Lovebloggers
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Romney has no credibility on social conservative issues because of his record and past conflicting statements, so the comparison is specious.

People will trust various candidates based on their opinions of them. But the message, the platform, is there on every candidate's website.

Thompson is a Federalist. By default that means Romney's message is more socially conservative.

61 posted on 08/20/2007 5:15:25 AM PDT by Swordfished
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To: Lovebloggers

“So... we all agree that there’s obviously some hilarious and telling point to be made about Romney, based on his enjoyment of “Battlefield Earth,” but none of us can figure out exactly what that point is? I, for one, get suspicious when pundits agree to trash something. What is so threatening to everybody about “Battlefield Earth,” anyway?

Dickerson is honest enough to admit that he hasn’t actually read “Battlefield Earth,” and I strongly suspect that none of these other folks have, either. I, on the other hand, have read the whole thing. In 1983, when I was 15. Yes, it’s badly written, for the most part. But as post-apocalyptic science-fantasy novels go, it’s not the worst one I’ve ever read. (That honor goes to: the 1971 Roger Zelazny novel “Damnation Alley.” Or maybe Michael Crichton’s “Andromeda Strain.”) Romney’s high school English teacher should have turned him on to “On the Beach” or “A Canticle for Leibowitz,” maybe, but if enjoying schlock fiction means you’re crazy, I don’t want to be sane.

What does it mean that Romney likes “Battlefield Earth”? Here’s an answer: IMHO, people who enjoy post-apocalyptic novels have a reactionary and/or utopian streak running through them; they enjoy narratives about the collapse of Western civilization because they’re unhappy with the state of that civilization and would like (or imagine they’d like) to see the slate wiped clean. Once upon a time, James Fenimore Cooper novels thrilled educated Frenchmen for the same reason. Romney’s brand of idealism may be jejune, but he’s no more crazy than are the readers of other 1982 post-apocalyptic novels: “God’s Grace,” by Bernard Malamud; “The White Plague,” by Frank (”Dune”) Herbert; or the first installment of Alan Moore’s “V for Vendetta” comic book series. If this sort of thing holds absolutely no appeal for Tucker Carlson and Michael Dirda, perhaps it’s because they’re (worryingly) satisfied with the current state of affairs?

If Romney had named the Book of Revelations as his favorite apocalyptic fiction, then there might be reason to worry. But “Battlefield Earth” has a happy ending: Rugged, never-say-die humans from around the planet join forces, educate themselves, work hard, and finally restore democracy on Earth, and in the rest of the universe. That’s not so worrisome, is it? So cut the guy some slack about his taste in literature. Let’s get back to bashing him about his flip-flopping on abortion, shall we?”

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/ideas/brainiac/2007/05/romney_and_batt.html

Meh, I never read it or heard about it so I will pass on slamming him for it.


62 posted on 08/20/2007 5:22:20 AM PDT by Lovebloggers
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To: Vigilanteman
You are correct on all counts. Huckabee's pandering to the illegal alien lobby rules him out. Absent from your comparison, however, is Duncan Hunter who has both a message and a track record.

Romney is clearly the best of the moderate wing candidates. The conservative wing needs a candidate, however.

I left Hunter, Brownback, Tancredo, and Paul out.

In my opinion they aren't well-rounded enough candidates. Each is very strong on one or two issues but they seem to draw their strength from those issues rather than having inherent strength from which to apply to the issues. It might be the reason they aren't polling well...in addition to MSM bias.

I guess my question is, if the 'conservative' base of the Republican party is so large, why is Guiliani leading all the national polls? and why does McCain do better than Hunter, Tancredo, etc.? If MSM bias is blamed, it doesn't matter, that's a given quantity candidates have to deal with and can't be magically eliminated.

63 posted on 08/20/2007 5:24:34 AM PDT by Swordfished
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To: restornu

“The man must have no pores,” marveled one sodden journalist.

“He can’t be human.”

Dangit, don’t get the Paulistinaians started on the “space alien” conspiracy theories.


64 posted on 08/20/2007 5:25:09 AM PDT by Grunthor (When life gives you lemons, you throw them at the mean people and hope it gets them in the eyes.)
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To: Swordfished
I guess my question is, if the 'conservative' base of the Republican party is so large, why is Guiliani leading all the national polls? and why does McCain do better than Hunter, Tancredo, etc.?

In a nutshell: Too many conservatives are allowing the enemedia to annoit the front runner because, like the polls showing Kerry could beat Bush in January 2004, polls show Rudy could beat Hillary.

Too many are also waiting for Fred Thompson to ride to the rescue. I'm just not convinced he would be any better than Romney. Slightly more conservative on the issues, probably, but a lot less willing to work his tail off from what I've seen so far.

You can leave Paul out, because he's a moonbat. Ditto for Brownback, because he's a weasel. I see a natural alliance between Tancredo and Hunter, because of their solid positions on a wide range of issues. Tancredo, right now, is on a mini-wave due to the immigration issue. He's really no better than Hunter here, who has actually got some of the fence built.

65 posted on 08/20/2007 6:56:40 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: Grunthor
(must suppress laughter...)

Nah...

Bwahahahaha....

I Like it!

66 posted on 08/20/2007 6:57:49 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (Vote for the man who will keep those Barbary Pirates at bay, RON PAUL 1816!)
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com; freeplancer
He’s an arrogant Constitution hating freak. That’s his message.CLICK
67 posted on 08/20/2007 6:59:34 AM PDT by restornu (Teach them correct principals and let them govern themselves ~ Joseph Smith)
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To: ejonesie22

A) I love your tagline

B) I’m jealous I didn’t think of it first.


68 posted on 08/20/2007 7:03:22 AM PDT by Grunthor (When life gives you lemons, you throw them at the mean people and hope it gets them in the eyes.)
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To: Grunthor
Thanks, I enjoy swimming with the “True Believers” of Paul's camp...
69 posted on 08/20/2007 7:07:48 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (Vote for the man who will keep those Barbary Pirates at bay, RON PAUL 1816!)
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To: Lovebloggers
“So... we all agree that there’s obviously some hilarious and telling point to be made about Romney, based on his enjoyment of “Battlefield Earth,” but none of us can figure out exactly what that point is? I, for one, get suspicious when pundits agree to trash something. What is so threatening to everybody about “Battlefield Earth,” anyway?


And we have a current president who likes
Austin Powers but that did not bother the hypocrits!

70 posted on 08/20/2007 7:09:04 AM PDT by restornu (Teach them correct principals and let them govern themselves ~ Joseph Smith)
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To: restornu; All

“He’s an arrogant Constitution hating freak.”

You got that from a movie? What is next from your bag of wisdom pearls, 60 foot ampibious reptile attacks Tokyo?

“America to be attack by space alien on “Independence day?”

Maybe a man dresses like a Bat and fights crime vigilante style?


71 posted on 08/20/2007 7:14:52 AM PDT by Grunthor (When life gives you lemons, you throw them at the mean people and hope it gets them in the eyes.)
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To: Grunthor
You got that from a movie? What is next from your bag of wisdom pearls, 60 foot ampibious reptile attacks Tokyo?

It is more than a movie Grunthor it is a lesson about our Nation!

These are things that Romney holds dear seem more than you!

Your are uneducated in the state of a Union and your phony Ron Paul group

72 posted on 08/20/2007 7:27:24 AM PDT by restornu (Teach them correct principals and let them govern themselves ~ Joseph Smith)
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To: restornu

“These are things that Romney holds dear seem more than you!

Your are uneducated in the state of a Union and your phony Ron Paul group”

Once again please, this time in english?


73 posted on 08/20/2007 7:54:03 AM PDT by Grunthor (When life gives you lemons, you throw them at the mean people and hope it gets them in the eyes.)
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To: Grunthor
Once again please, this time in english?

Go Back Ron Paul...


74 posted on 08/20/2007 8:05:25 AM PDT by restornu (Teach them correct principals and let them govern themselves ~ Joseph Smith)
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To: ellery

Thanks for your objective impressions.
I like what I am hearing from Duncan Hunter, Fred Thompson, and Mitt Romney.
But I’m puzzled why Hunter seems so invisible.
I am concerned that Thompson doesn’t show more energy or urgency for the task ahead.
And I am concerned that so many are bent on destroying Romney with over-the-top exagerations about flip-flopping that he will be destoyed as a candidate, and we will not have the opportunity of using his skills to help solve America’s financial problems. On another of your points, if one looks at Romney’s background other than as a business man, I think one can see some support for a view of constitutional originalism. That is, Mormons belive that the original Constitution was inspired by God.


75 posted on 08/20/2007 11:40:37 AM PDT by broncobilly
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To: Vigilanteman

Romney admires Duncan Hunter. After the first GOP debate when asked about the other candidates he only mentioned Hunter and praised him. He said he learned from him.


76 posted on 08/20/2007 12:39:40 PM PDT by Rameumptom (Gen X= they killed 1 in 4 of us)
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To: Rameumptom
If you are talking about the South Carolina debate, I thought Hunter did very well as did Romney. The compliment he gave Duncan Hunter was both well-deserved and appeared to be warranted.

Which is why, as a conservative, Romney is my favorite of the "moderate-wing" candidates. I think he would handle her royal highness far better in a debate than Rudi, who would be pilloried as a bully.

Romney seems to have the ability like the joke about a great diplomat-- he'll tell her to go to hell but have her looking forward to the trip.

77 posted on 08/20/2007 12:45:43 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: tiger-one
>>>Example, he has stated, I will increase the active military by 100,000 personnel, and never says how.

He has addressed it quite extensively as one of the few candidates who actually understands how to manage a budget. Here is the short and sweet version.

Gov. Romney said he would increase the military budget, from 3.6 percent of our GNP to 4 percent. He said he would increase troop levels from 1.5 to 1.6 million people, an increase of 100,000, this is where his budget savings would go.

In MASS he raised tons of benefits for the National Guard. His focus on helpinghte military is consistent with his term as Governor.

78 posted on 08/20/2007 12:46:08 PM PDT by Rameumptom (Gen X= they killed 1 in 4 of us)
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To: restornu

Ron Paul sucks, what’s your point?


79 posted on 08/20/2007 1:05:36 PM PDT by Grunthor (When life gives you lemons, you throw them at the mean people and hope it gets them in the eyes.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

I can’t stand Rockefeller. If that were Romney’s vision, I wouldn’t be supporting him.


80 posted on 08/20/2007 2:17:06 PM PDT by TAdams8591 ( Guiliani is a Democrat in Republican dag. Mitt Romney for president in 2008! : ))
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To: Vigilanteman
"Romney seems to have the ability like the joke about a great diplomat-- he'll tell her to go to hell but have her looking forward to the trip."

Yes, very much like Reagan.

81 posted on 08/20/2007 2:19:40 PM PDT by TAdams8591 ( Guiliani is a Democrat in Republican dag. Mitt Romney for president in 2008! : ))
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To: EternalVigilance

“Or maybe it was the inundation of homosexual propaganda that filled the public schools of Massachusetts during Romney’s four years as Governor.”

That was going on long before Romney became Governor.


82 posted on 08/20/2007 5:02:44 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Illegal aliens commit crimes that Americans won't commit)
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To: Rameumptom
Gov. Romney said he would increase the military budget, from 3.6 percent of our GNP to 4 percent. He said he would increase troop levels from 1.5 to 1.6 million people, an increase of 100,000, this is where his budget savings would go

I'll give you the short and sweet of an analysis of the above statement.

Romney, says he would increase the military budget The budget, is more than payroll, equipment plus. Any action on the budget will have to approved by congress. This a Mitt wet dream.

Next even if he asked congress for a payroll increase, and it was approved, no guarantee he could increase the troop levels.

His reference to the GNP is used car salesmen speak. Most voters don't know what GNP stands for or how it is computed.

83 posted on 08/20/2007 5:16:25 PM PDT by tiger-one (The night has a thousand eyes)
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To: LexBaird

Thanks! I’ve asked EV that question several times and received no answer. Now I can see why. Alan Keyes - ROTFLMFAO!


84 posted on 08/20/2007 5:35:00 PM PDT by Lexi3130 (We need a proven businessman to run this country NOT a politician!)
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