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To: lady lawyer

“We believe that He is God, too. We believe that Jesus Christ is the Jehovah of the Bible.”

Do Mormons believe that they will one day become like God and populate their own planets? Can you elaborate on this aspect of your beliefs? Do Mormons believe that Jesus Christ is the spiritual brother of Satan?


51 posted on 08/20/2007 10:54:40 AM PDT by bigcat32
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RE: # 51

Do Mormons believe that they will one day become like God and populate their own planets?

Do Mormons believe that Jesus Christ is the spiritual brother of Satan?

You seem to be the expert here -- how about your answering those questions for us -- I'm truly interested in finding out.

85 posted on 08/20/2007 11:54:55 AM PDT by Turret Gunner A20 (Sorr)
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To: bigcat32; Turret Gunner A20; lady lawyer
I followed the thread of your discussion and wanted to chime in. Forgive me for "cutting-in". I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints and believe I am sufficiently versed in the doctrine taught. The only thing I take exception with is that bigcat32 said "we", members, do not like to discuss our religion. For me there is nothing I like to talk about more. I give credit to bigcat32 for not sensationalizing what are very accurate representations of what we know. I believe the only divergent point in his post #89 was he tried to rest his objections in the cradle of "the rest of Christianity". It is true that the Church is like no other, in doctrine or in practice. We cite other revealed scripture because we do not hold that the heavens are closed or that God does not speak to His children today. That said, I assert the doctrines bigcat32 listed as being true. There are some, few, that are extra-Biblical, but none are anti-Biblical. If you have the patience to be a mediator Turret, I offer that challenge to bigcat32, to disprove our doctrine from the Bible. It should be interesting. As a starting point I'll take his first statement in the earlier post:

Do Mormons believe that they will one day become like God and populate their own planets? Can you elaborate on this aspect of your beliefs? Do Mormons believe that Jesus Christ is the spiritual brother of Satan?

Rev. 3: 21

21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

John 10

32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? 33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. 34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? 35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; 36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

The only place you find in the scriptures where someone says it is blasphemy to accept what Christ has promised, the achievement of godhood through Jesus Christ, is from the very people who killed the Lord.

I can in brief explain the "populate planets" question. Again this is extra-Biblical, but not anti-Biblical. Indeed, the Lord God never said the Bible was the final or only testimony that He has given or ever will give to His children. In essence, the Lord's work is to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man. The universe is an eternal dominion where intelligence is raised up, created (in the sense that one gathers the materials to build a ship - not to mean "creating something out of nothing"). The universe has no beginning and no end. We are here in a part of our progression as intelligent beings to be tested and tried, as the scriptures say, to be proven herewith whether we will keep all the commandments of the Lord. This mortal experience far from being a mere test of principles is calculated to give us experience and knowledge. It is a path that our Father encourages us along out of love and the desire that we have every happiness that He now enjoys. As any loving father, he desires the best for us. We are obedient because we understand (hopefully) that He is the only source of that light and knowledge. In the eternities we engage in that grand work, to organize, to bring forth, to exalt and continue the work of God. His joy is found in the uplifting of all. His joy is increased as we find joy. This is why element obeys Him.

Now for your second question.

Do Mormons believe that Jesus Christ is the spiritual brother of Satan?

Once more you cannot show me in the scriptures where it says that this is not the case. But disproving a negative is a circular mire. Let me tell you what we believe.

The "work" which I described above did not begin here on earth. We are all children of our Father in Heaven, spiritually begotten.

Num. 16: 22 (Num. 27: 16) God of the spirits of all flesh.

Job 3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me. 4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. 5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? 6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; 7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Eccl. 12: 7 the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Jer. 1: 5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee.

Zech. 12: 1 Lord . . . formeth the spirit of man within him.

John 9: 2 who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind. (implying of course that the man had a premortal existence, otherwise how could he have sinned before birth)

Acts 17: 28 poets have said, For we are also his offspring.

Rom. 8: 29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate.

Eph. 1: 4 chosen us in him before the foundation of the world.

Heb. 12: 9 subjection unto the Father of spirits.

Jude 1: 6 angels which kept not their first estate.(Our knowledge is that this "first estate" refers to their allegiance to Father. Those who were not were cast out. Mind you, not for a "disagreement", but for rebellion. Father is very long suffering and would have witheld this ultimate action were it possible. But Lucifer rebelled and drew a third of the host of heaven after him. He, like ourselves was not robbed of his agency, his ability to choose. He chose disasterously wrong- as did those who followed his council.)

Rev. 12: 7 Michael and his angels fought against the dragon. (We believe that Michael was/is also one of our spirit brothers)

I took some time to put these thoughts down and my time is precious- family and so forth. I would like to continue if you are at all interested and have read this. If not, please reply and say so.

168 posted on 08/20/2007 6:38:47 PM PDT by DanielLongo (Don't tread on me)
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