Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Mother forced to give birth alone in toilet of 'flagship' NHS hospital (Democrat Party HealthCare)
Daily Mail (UK) ^ | 18th August 2007 | ANDREW LEVY

Posted on 08/21/2007 1:43:32 AM PDT by FormerACLUmember

A young mother had to deliver her own baby in the lavatory of a flagship hospital because there were no trained midwives available.

Surveyor Catherine Brown had made the agonising decision to undergo a chemically-induced abortion after being told her 18-week pregnancy was risking her life.

But when the time came to give birth she was on an ear, nose and throat ward and had only her mother to help her through the ordeal. Her premature son Edward died in her arms minutes later.

The traumatised mother-of-one said: "I just howled and howled. I remember sitting there looking at him and thinking, 'What do I do next?'. I just sat there on the toilet looking at my dead baby.

"It was dreadful - a terrible nightmare. Then I started crying my eyes out and repeating, 'I'm sorry baby, I'm so sorry'. I still can't believe the hospital had no trained staff who could help me."

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Front Page News; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: healthcare; hillary; hillarycare; socializedmedicine; universalehealth; universalhealthcare
The democrat party's precise plans for you and your loved ones.
1 posted on 08/21/2007 1:43:34 AM PDT by FormerACLUmember
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: FormerACLUmember


2 posted on 08/21/2007 1:45:12 AM PDT by FormerACLUmember (The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: FormerACLUmember

The “Flagship” is presumably the “Titanic”.


3 posted on 08/21/2007 1:49:55 AM PDT by Vanders9
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: FormerACLUmember

Well she decided to chemically abort it and the “delivery” was the result. I don’t call that “giving birth”, even if she was told to abort it for her own health reasons.

Not to say that she should have had to do it alone!


4 posted on 08/21/2007 1:51:46 AM PDT by lawgirl (She comes on like thunder and she's more right than rain)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: FormerACLUmember

One major difference between the US and the rest of the world is that our nation does everything to save premature babies, and allow them to go to delivery, etc. This results ultimately in an artificially higher infant mortality rates.

An example of this is the recent birth of Canadian Quadruplets in the USA, since there are no adequate functioning intensive care for premies even in Canada’s wealthier provinces.

This baby would be more likely to be alive in the US. In the UK, this baby and mom were put in servere harm’s way by total neglect. The mom in fact was essentially coerced into a nightmare unnecessary pregnancy termination.


5 posted on 08/21/2007 1:52:20 AM PDT by FormerACLUmember (The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: lawgirl

You point is well taken, but see post 5.


6 posted on 08/21/2007 1:54:01 AM PDT by FormerACLUmember (The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: FormerACLUmember

bttt


7 posted on 08/21/2007 2:05:43 AM PDT by FormerACLUmember (The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: FormerACLUmember
Posted here with photos and 133 comments:

Mother forced to give birth alone in toilet of 'flagship' NHS hospital (U.K.)

8 posted on 08/21/2007 2:10:32 AM PDT by BlessedBeGod
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: FormerACLUmember
Soon coming to a hospital near you, via HillaryCare.
9 posted on 08/21/2007 2:36:15 AM PDT by AlexW (Reporting from Bratislava, Slovakia. Happy not to be back in the USA for now.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: FormerACLUmember

Mother forced to give birth alone in toilet of ‘flagship’ NHS hospital (Democrat Party HealthCare) - previously posted....but.....

still the plan that the piaps will bring to a healthcare plan...coming to you soon!!!


10 posted on 08/21/2007 3:27:00 AM PDT by nyyankeefan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: nyyankeefan

You’ll never grow old, with Hillary-Care.


11 posted on 08/21/2007 3:36:31 AM PDT by CDFingers (REALM: (Republican Ethnic Americans Living in Massachusetts))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: FormerACLUmember

If the state is footing the bill, there is no way they are going to pay the hundreds of thousands of dollars required to maintain the life of a premature infant. This story may be bad PR for a day, but from the state’s point of view, they saved a heck of a lot of money.


12 posted on 08/21/2007 4:00:25 AM PDT by gridlock (Getting drunk can make you only so stupid without being pretty stupid to start with.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: CDFingers
You’ll never grow old, with Hillary-Care.

Beautiful. I think I'll steal it!

13 posted on 08/21/2007 4:01:30 AM PDT by gridlock (You’ll never grow old with Hillary-Care.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: FormerACLUmember

Ah, but it was free.


14 posted on 08/21/2007 4:08:03 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: lawgirl

I was thinking just like you.

This thing about a mother’s “health”, well that’s their code word for....”anybody, anytime”.

What possible danger to a healthy young woman’s life can carrying a foetus, in this case at what....18 weeks?

Anything is possible, I know...but what are the odds?


15 posted on 08/21/2007 4:33:55 AM PDT by Fishtalk (http://patfish.blogspot.com)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: FormerACLUmember

The libs will ram this, too, down your throat one millimeter at a time until the likes of you have been sold.


16 posted on 08/21/2007 4:43:18 AM PDT by gathersnomoss (If General Patton was alive, he would slap many faces!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: FormerACLUmember

Welcome to the nanny state, where Hillary would at leaset “care” for you.


17 posted on 08/21/2007 4:45:01 AM PDT by gathersnomoss (If General Patton was alive, he would slap many faces!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: FormerACLUmember

In Britain you must call ahead to the emergency room to see if they can fit you and your emergency in.

I read the Daily Mail pretty regularly and the medical fiasco’s are unconscionable.


18 posted on 08/21/2007 5:06:04 AM PDT by Dudoight
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Fishtalk
She was apparently hemorrhaging before she was admitted.
19 posted on 08/21/2007 5:19:09 AM PDT by Don W (I wondered why the baseball was getting bigger. Then it hit me.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: FormerACLUmember

She didn’t give birth. This was an abortion which the child survived for a few moments in an incompetent hospital.


20 posted on 08/21/2007 5:57:46 AM PDT by George W. Bush (Rudy: tough on terror, scared of Iowa, wets himself over YouTube)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: George W. Bush

You have to wonder if American doctor’s would have said “hey, we can save your baby AND you”. Europe’s answer is always to kill the child.


21 posted on 08/21/2007 6:07:10 AM PDT by DesScorp
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: FormerACLUmember

I do wonder what is not being told in this story. A UTI should be treatable. A hemmorhage may or may not stop, but if it’s serious enough that the woman’s life is directly threatened she should be under constant care - I would guess she should have a C-section to stop the bleeding at once. I’ve heard of a number of cases of oligohydraminos (low amniotic fluid) eventually resolving themselves - but that’s not in itself a direct threat to the mother. And ultrasounds have given false readings.

Now if the amniotic membranes had ruptured and were infected - that is a direct threat, and I don’t think the pregnancy is salvageable.

They would have had to be able to prolong the pregnancy for six weeks for the baby to have had a chance. 18 weekers don’t survive anywhere.

Mrs VS


22 posted on 08/21/2007 6:11:21 AM PDT by VeritatisSplendor
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: FormerACLUmember

23 posted on 08/21/2007 6:48:01 AM PDT by Gritty (We're going to have universal health care when I'm President - there's no doubt about that!-Hillary)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: VeritatisSplendor
I do wonder what is not being told in this story. A UTI should be treatable. A hemmorhage may or may not stop, but if it’s serious enough that the woman’s life is directly threatened she should be under constant care - I would guess she should have a C-section to stop the bleeding at once. I’ve heard of a number of cases of oligohydraminos (low amniotic fluid) eventually resolving themselves - but that’s not in itself a direct threat to the mother. And ultrasounds have given false readings.

Exactly!

24 posted on 08/21/2007 7:32:26 AM PDT by FormerACLUmember (The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: lawgirl

Frankly, I think it is surprising and appropriate that they called it “giving birth.” At least that’s admitting that the little boy they killed was a human being, more than the usual drivel.


25 posted on 08/21/2007 7:36:01 AM PDT by Jedidah
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: FormerACLUmember
"I just sat there on the toilet looking at my dead baby."

It's articles like this that make me wonder how the human race made it this far.

26 posted on 08/21/2007 7:40:59 AM PDT by U.S. Raptor (Conservatism vs. Socialism: Where we were and where we're going.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: CDFingers
You’ll never grow old, with Hillary-Care.

Good time to purchase incinerator manufacturers stock.

27 posted on 08/21/2007 8:07:10 AM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Elections have consequences.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: Gritty

ROFL!


28 posted on 08/21/2007 8:10:11 AM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Elections have consequences.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: Gritty

brilliant cartoon: post 23


29 posted on 08/21/2007 8:13:31 AM PDT by FormerACLUmember (The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: FormerACLUmember
This baby would be more likely to be alive in the US.

Not at 18 weeks. But in principle, the point you make is true.

30 posted on 08/21/2007 8:59:34 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: GovernmentShrinker
Not at 18 weeks. But in principle, the point you make is true.

Not at 18 weeks, yes. She was told was doomed if she carried to term, which I don't see justification for. By aborting all potential problem babies, the infant mortality rates for the UK and its ilk are all lower than the USA.

31 posted on 08/21/2007 9:04:33 AM PDT by FormerACLUmember (The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: VeritatisSplendor

“Now if the amniotic membranes had ruptured and were infected - that is a direct threat, and I don’t think the pregnancy is salvageable.

They would have had to be able to prolong the pregnancy for six weeks for the baby to have had a chance. 18 weekers don’t survive anywhere.”

It does sound like there was somethig amiss with the membrane and possible infection.
Then the question remains - how do deal with that condition?

Obviously the approach here was to initiate an abortion.
It is too bad the focus isn’t on working to find a solution to this particular problem.
Are they trying to figure out how to save babies when the membranes have ruptured or leaked? How to save them when infection sets in?

It doesn’t sound like this woman intended to abort this pregnancy, and if abortion weren’t such an “easy” solution to difficult pregnancies I wonder how many risky situations like this could be treated if the researchers would concentrate on that.


32 posted on 08/21/2007 9:05:10 AM PDT by Scotswife
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: FormerACLUmember

And where was the father of the baby during this ordeal? Nevermind. [/elephant-in-the-room]


33 posted on 08/21/2007 9:14:41 AM PDT by Ignatz (NPC's have feelings, too!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Fishtalk; lawgirl

That’s over four months. I thought only the first trimester was critical for potential miscarriage. Of babies, I mean, not of justice.


34 posted on 08/21/2007 9:28:07 AM PDT by Froufrou
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: Mr Ramsbotham
Ah, but it was free.
Yes, and worth every penny. And that is the central fact of socialism - it is always sold to the public as saving money, but in fact what it systematically does is to outlaw whatever is not cheap.

Hillary and the Democrats speak of "quality health care," but the reality of socialism is that you cannot eliminate top quality, bleeding-edge health care and still maintain even the current standard of normal care. That is so because, as Tom Peters pointed out in In Search of Excellence, if you stop trying to improve you will not maintain where you were, you will go backward.

Furthermore, the mission of the United States is "secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity. And the "blessings of liberty" include the vigorous entrepreneurship which continuously improve both the quality and the economy of the things and services we want. To stop improving health care now would be to betray our grandchildren, who deserve to mature to our age and pity us for the almost primitive nature of our health care compared to that which is our legacy to them - just as you and I pity our grandparents and even our parents for the relatively primitive health care which was available to them.

My own mother had a kidney removed about 25 years ago, and the incision was nearly halfway around the circumference of her body. Today that same operation would do so little collateral damage that you would be able to leave the hospital a day after the surgery. I don't know how exactly they will make similar improvements in surgery over the next two generations - but surely it would be folly to close the patent office on the assumption that "everything has already been invented."


35 posted on 08/21/2007 10:35:31 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: FormerACLUmember

“since there are no adequate functioning intensive care for premies even in Canada’s wealthier provinces.”

BS

my niece was born very premature in Victoria BC.. she’s 5 now.


36 posted on 08/21/2007 12:40:36 PM PDT by MD_Willington_1976
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: MD_Willington_1976

Denial is amazing.

If there was adequate functioning intensive care for premies in Canada, the quadruplets would not have been sent to the US.

Case closed!


37 posted on 08/21/2007 12:57:29 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember (The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

To: FormerACLUmember
Whilst I have to agree our NHS system simply does not work to the best interests of all people and never can we do have excellent facilities for premature babies and every effort is done to save them if they are viable.

18 weeks IMHO is not viable and therefore this was never an option but she should not have been left alone to give birth to a child and even more horrific that the child would be born alive but could not survive.

It is a shame that that medically they could not have given her another few weeks and then induced labour but I presume the risk to her life was too great to do so and by that time the child would have probably died given the medical reasons for the termination.

I know several people who have had very small babies survive but IMHO this one was just too small and young regardless of the circumstance.

IMHO the mother/grandmother should sue the hospital, the local NHS trust and the individual nursing staff who did not administer their duty of care.

38 posted on 08/21/2007 9:29:12 PM PDT by snugs ((An English Cheney Chick - Big Time))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: gridlock
I am not a fan of the NHS but that is not true premature babies and young children take precidense in British hospitals and we have many specialised units for them.

When dad had his hip op he was told that the reason for the delay was an 8 hour op on a very young, very sick baby but babies always take priority.

39 posted on 08/21/2007 9:32:08 PM PDT by snugs ((An English Cheney Chick - Big Time))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: MD_Willington_1976
Whilst I would prefer a different system to the NHS I do try to objective and truthful and if I had a premature baby in Britain I feel confident all would be done to save it and and I know from others that have had that we have some of the most advance equipment and treatment that is available.

As is in all countries you cannot have a unit in every town and an ambulance journey maybe necessary but that I am certain would also be true in the US.

40 posted on 08/21/2007 9:39:39 PM PDT by snugs ((An English Cheney Chick - Big Time))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

To: FormerACLUmember
No case not closed maybe the nearest unit was the US for their particular problems or maybe their doctor had a preference.

We have patients in the UK from all over the world because they want a particular treatment or doctor not available in their country.

It does not necessarily mean it is not available in their country but not the treatment they want or can afford.

41 posted on 08/21/2007 9:41:56 PM PDT by snugs ((An English Cheney Chick - Big Time))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 37 | View Replies]

To: FormerACLUmember

Also before you say it yes Brits also travel elsewhere for treatment because as yet it may not have been approved in Britain or they are taking part in research medicine.

Also sometimes if they want something quicker than on the NHS and cannot afford to pay private in Britain they may go somewhere else in the world where it is cheaper. Often have the op travel back and then get back into the NHS sytem for aftercare, called using the system.


42 posted on 08/21/2007 9:45:25 PM PDT by snugs ((An English Cheney Chick - Big Time))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 37 | View Replies]

To: snugs
We have patients in the UK from all over the world because they want a particular treatment or doctor not available in their country. It does not necessarily mean it is not available in their country but not the treatment they want or can afford.

Hey! I am an anglophile, but I am not an idiot.

The answer to your comment is "Yes and no." PRIVATE British medicine is often excellent. The SOCIALIZED NHS is less than adequate. In fact it is the among the worst in Europe.


43 posted on 08/22/2007 7:22:24 AM PDT by FormerACLUmember (The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 41 | View Replies]

To: FormerACLUmember

A woman I know gave birth alone in a broom closet at her official NHS facility without staff, because they were full and understaffed.

I don’t know the details of the medical reasons to induce this abortion, but I suspect they may have been dubious as well.


44 posted on 08/22/2007 7:28:33 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: HamiltonJay
A woman I know gave birth alone in a broom closet at her official NHS facility without staff, because they were full and understaffed. I don’t know the details of the medical reasons to induce this abortion, but I suspect they may have been dubious as well.

Precisely! She was lied to and told she would in harms way if she had a baby.

45 posted on 08/22/2007 7:31:27 AM PDT by FormerACLUmember (The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 44 | View Replies]

To: snugs

Provided they aren’t aborted...

I don’t know the reasons for this inducing, but I find it dubious, at 18 weeks, you are 1 month or less from a fighting chance of viability, and 2 months from an good chance.

I’d like to know what exactly the diagnosis was that lead to recommendation for induction.

Color me skeptical, but forcing an abortion, particularly with no staff around is far more likely to have complications that would harm the mothers life.


46 posted on 08/22/2007 7:37:33 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 39 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson