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Seattle Post-Intelligencer Offers Haiku Contest - But No Help - in FBI Terror Probe
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| August 21, 2007
| Bill Hobbs
Posted on 08/22/2007 12:17:52 AM PDT by Stoat
Seattle Post-Intelligencer Offers Haiku Contest - But No Help - in FBI Terror Probe
By Bill Hobbs | August 21, 2007 - 20:18 ET The Seattle Post-Intelligencer is refusing to run the photos of two men the FBI is seeking to question in connection with suspicious behavior aboard a Puget Sound ferry - behavior that could be a precursor to a terror plot, or could be nothing nefarious at all.
The Seattle PI reports the story here and explains its rationalization for not publishing the photos here. And - in a steller example of complete touchy-feely uselessness - the paper is holding a haiku-writing contest for readers to write about how they feel about the FBI alert and the way the paper handled it.
From the report:
The FBI is asking the public for help in identifying two men who were seen behaving unusually aboard several Washington state ferries. About four weeks ago, the FBI fielded several reports from passengers and ferry workers about the men, who seemed "overly interested in the workings and layouts of the ferries," Special Agent Robbie Burroughs said Monday.
The FBI also publicized photos of the men, which were taken by a ferry employee, Burroughs said. The Seattle P-I is not publishing the photos because neither man is considered a suspect nor has either been charged with a crime.
From the excuse, er, rationalization, er, explanation by Seattle P-I Managing Editor David McCumber:
Ferry security is hugely important. So are civil liberties and privacy.
The P-I last year reported that according to a Justice Department inspector general's assessment, Puget Sound's ferries were the nation's No. 1 target for maritime terrorism.
This may well be a case of alert citizens spotting a very real threat. But running a photograph of two men who may as easily be tourists from Texas as terrorists from the Mideast with a story that makes them out to be persons of interest in a terrorism investigation seems problematic, to say the least.
Yeah. Of course it would be easier to find out which is the case if the FBI could find the guys. And it would be easier to find the guys if the Seattle P-I would publish the photos, so that Seattle-area residents would know what the men look like whom the FBI has asked the public to help them find. As it stands now, in the name of being politically correct, the Seattle P-I has decided to alarm the people of Seattle and leave them looking suspiciously at just about anyone who fits the general description of male and looking like they might be from the Middle East.
Besides, while McCumber raises the flag of "civil liberties and privacy," the men in the photo were photographed in public while on a public ferry.
There is no invasion of their privacy, nor of their civil liberties, by publishing the photos so that the authorities can locate and speak with the men.
Disagree with me on that? Consider this: If Managing Editor McCumber needed art to illustrate a story on the region's ferry system, he could and likely would dispatch a Seattle P-I photographer to one of the ferries, and publish a shot of random ferry passengers on the deck of the boat. The paper might not even bother to identify the people in the photo.
Newspapers publish crowd shots taken in public all the time without identifying the people in the photo or asking if they mind having their photo published - or knowing if they are or are not involved in some sort of criminal activity.
McCumber's excuse for not running the photos is ... beyond weak. It is a figleaf for political correctness run amok, political correctness that may compromise the security of the people of the Seattle area that the Seattle Post-Intelligencer ostensibly exists to serve.
Politeness causes me to refrain from suggesting the editors of the Seattle Post-Intelligencer must be smoking something.
The good news: The P-I's decision to not run the photos is fueling widespread distribution of the photos in the blogosphere.
No word yet on how the Seattle Times is going to handle the FBI's request - the most recent story in the Seattle Times that seems relevant was this story published August 3.
Here's more from the Jawa Report. Also, the blogger at The View From Out Here, comments, "If we dont know what they look like then how can we identify them? If you think they are just tourists, did you ever, on vacation, take pictures of a restricted area on a boat and tried to measure the size of the boat?"
No.
The P-I should put the security of its community ahead of the desire to not hurt some folks' feelings.
Update: Michelle Malkin's excellent post on the Seattle ferry story reminds us of the the Seattle Times' investigation in 2004 on reports on jihadi probing of the ferry system.
Update: A commenter at the Seattle Post-Intelligencer's website notes how out of touch with reality the editors of that paper are about the new media world in which they now operate.
It's amazing to me to think that, in this internet era, the [paper] is arrogant enough to think that they can 'hide' something from the public. By not publishing the pictures, they are making themselves less relevant - additionally, through the controversy, they are making the story bigger than it would be otherwise. This is a perfect example of why newspapers, and big media in general, is losing readers by the thousands.
Neither the Seattle Post-Intelligencer nor the rival Seattle Times is the gatekeeper of information in the greater Seattle area anymore, if they ever were. Neither are any of the local TV news stations. There are just so many news outlets and distributors now - cable networks, websites of out-of-town papers, and blogs - that no matter what the Seattle Post-Intelligencer did, the people of Seattle were going to see these photos.
Thus, their decision to not publish the photos does not in any way accomplish the goal that drove that decision, while simultaneously showing the people of Seattle that the paper will put political correctness ahead of the security of thousands of Seattle-area ferry commuters - and demonstrating its increasing irrelevance in the broad and varied new-media landscape.
A dumb and dangerous decision all around.
Bill Hobbs is president of Mesh Media Strategies and a contributor to NewsBusters.
TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Washington; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bolo; fbi; ferry; ferryterror; haiku; pc; politicalcorectness; seattle; seattlepi; stuckonstupid; terror; washington; washingtonstate; wot
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posted on
08/22/2007 12:17:57 AM PDT
by
Stoat
To: All
There are times when I am so embarrassed to be a Seattleite, I am at a loss for words.
“sigh”
2
posted on
08/22/2007 12:54:12 AM PDT
by
Stoat
(Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
To: Stoat
I just found out the other day that Washington has the worlds largest ferry system.
3
posted on
08/22/2007 1:00:46 AM PDT
by
NurdlyPeon
(Thompson / Hunter in 2008)
To: NurdlyPeon
I just found out the other day that Washington has the worlds largest ferry system.I've heard that also, but at the Washington State Ferry's homepage they only admit to being the biggest in the USA:
Washington State Ferries operates the largest ferry fleet in the United States. Twenty-eight ferries cross Puget Sound and its inland waterways, carrying over 26 million passengers to 20 different ports of call.
Our Fleet
At any rate, it would represent a "spectacular" sort of terror target that Al-Queda loves.....the largest ones carry up to 2500 passengers AND over 200 vehicles on each trip. Sinking or badly damaging even one of them would be an event on the scale of 9/11, and yet our local 'news'papers refuse to take the terror threat seriously.
4
posted on
08/22/2007 1:09:50 AM PDT
by
Stoat
(Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
To: Stoat
The ferry explodes
In a blossom red and white
P/I is still pure
5
posted on
08/22/2007 3:24:32 AM PDT
by
gridlock
(You値l never grow old with Hillary-Care!)
To: gridlock
It is not our fault
It could have been someone else
How could we have known?
6
posted on
08/22/2007 3:26:37 AM PDT
by
gridlock
(You値l never grow old with Hillary-Care!)
To: gridlock
Nothing to see here
Go about your business
Religion of Peace
7
posted on
08/22/2007 3:32:15 AM PDT
by
gridlock
(You値l never grow old with Hillary-Care!)
To: Stoat
Seattle P. I.,
Giving terrorists cover,
Who's side are they on?
To: Stoat
Seattle goes BOOM!
Wringing their hands, asking how,
Liberals blame Bush!
9
posted on
08/22/2007 4:10:27 AM PDT
by
Nickname
To: Stoat
“Oh, I see nothing”
Sarge Schultz says, “I hear nothing”
“And I know nuh-think!”
10
posted on
08/22/2007 4:16:10 AM PDT
by
gridlock
(You値l never grow old with Hillary-Care!)
To: Stoat
Welcome oh young jihadists
We beg you not to get angry at us
We are surrender monkeys
11
posted on
08/22/2007 4:24:09 AM PDT
by
Shqipo
(Anonymous Sedition is a thriller of a read....)
To: gridlock
12
posted on
08/22/2007 4:31:16 AM PDT
by
GOP Poet
To: Stoat
They are all dead now
the floating and submerged
No accusations
13
posted on
08/22/2007 4:34:08 AM PDT
by
GOP Poet
To: gridlock
I think we have found several winners of the contest right here! Bravo!!
14
posted on
08/22/2007 4:37:23 AM PDT
by
GOP Poet
To: NurdlyPeon
All these ferrries don’t just go to downtown Seattle. Many people use them to commute to work, some just to leave an island they live on, like Anderson Island. McNeil Island has a prison on it accessible only by boat. Loads of tourists ride them, people who would rather walk on the ferry to go into Seattle rather than drive in for the day use them. The San Juan Islands are a popular area by ferry. It is pretty impressive the system we have here.
15
posted on
08/22/2007 4:48:00 AM PDT
by
Citizen Soldier
(Made in USA and proud of it.)
To: Stoat
Cold water rises,
The Liberal sees at last.
Damn the S-P/I
16
posted on
08/22/2007 4:50:05 AM PDT
by
gridlock
(You値l never grow old with Hillary-Care!)
To: Stoat
How’s this:
You traitor scumbags
Better men protect you fools
Traitors all of you
To: gridlock
Cold water rises,
The Liberal sees at last.
Damn the S-P/I!
.
.
That’s better still!
18
posted on
08/22/2007 4:51:56 AM PDT
by
gridlock
(You値l never grow old with Hillary-Care!)
To: gridlock
To: Stoat
Haiku, so pretty
Mere tourists, not terrorists
Flowers in our hair
20
posted on
08/22/2007 5:15:59 AM PDT
by
Nickname
To: Stoat
It wouldn’t help if the Seattle PI ran the photo’s because nobody that reads the left wing rag believes there is a War on Terror.
21
posted on
08/22/2007 5:20:25 AM PDT
by
G Larry
(Only strict constructionists on the Supreme Court!)
To: G Larry
Heck, the Seattle PI readership would probably offer to carry their satchel charges onboard.
22
posted on
08/22/2007 5:27:07 AM PDT
by
gridlock
(You値l never grow old with Hillary-Care!)
To: G Larry
Bumper sticker war!
John Edwards has told us so.
Glub glub glub glub glub.
Okay, maybe I’m having too much fun with this. I’ll stop. :)
23
posted on
08/22/2007 5:28:28 AM PDT
by
Nickname
To: Nickname
"Okay, maybe Im having too much fun with this. Ill stop. :)"
Please don't!
To: All
Remember the 9/11 terrorist caught at the Canadian border headed for LA?? I live in this state and understand fully well that we have a hotbed of these types who are here because they know liberals look the other way most of the time. There is no doubt the waterways north will have these types coming in where they can, just like our southern border to Mexico. Most of us voters, who pay high taxes to live here (check out the extra tax on fuel our so called GOV., placed on top of the high energy costs), and it taxes our lives as well knowing terrorists walk here.
25
posted on
08/22/2007 7:26:20 AM PDT
by
cousair
To: Stoat
Appreciate the PING...wish I could say this was “unbelievable.”
The old Seattle P.U. strikes again.
26
posted on
08/22/2007 8:29:51 AM PDT
by
Libertina
(If God asks only for 10%, why should the government get more?)
To: Libertina; acoulterfan; KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle; NurdlyPeon; RainMan; Maynerd; ...
Say WA? Evergreen State ping
FReepmail sionnsar if you want on or off this ping list.
Ping sionnsar if you see a Washington state related thread.
27
posted on
08/22/2007 8:35:17 AM PDT
by
sionnsar
(trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
Comment #28 Removed by Moderator
To: Stoat
Toppling skyscrapers
invade my dream...
I fall with them
29
posted on
08/22/2007 8:48:18 AM PDT
by
evets
(beer)
To: Libertina
Appreciate the PING...wish I could say this was unbelievable.
The old Seattle P.U. strikes again.You're welcome :-)
Yes, unfortunately we can always count on the PI and the Seattle Times to adopt the most anti-American position possible on any issue....one of many reasons why their readership has been declining catastrophically over the past decade or two, even here in hard-Left Seattle. In an effort to gain new subscribers they have occasionally deposited free copies of their 'news'paper on my lawn. I've responded by phoning them and threatening to prosecute them for littering, and stressing that I don't see a tangible difference between them placing an unwanted copy of their paper on my lawn and a feral dog doing his 'business' in the same location.
It's been awhile now since they have done this. Coincidence?
30
posted on
08/22/2007 8:51:25 AM PDT
by
Stoat
(Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
To: Stoat
Look at those FIREWORKS on Puget Sound!
31
posted on
08/22/2007 9:39:50 AM PDT
by
rfp1234
(Nothing is better than eternal happiness. A ham sandwich is better than nothing. Therefore...)
To: Stoat
People still read it?
Sycophantic Democrats
Joint operations
32
posted on
08/22/2007 9:43:21 AM PDT
by
IslandJeff
(Luke 5)
To: Stoat
From the information I got about this, This isn’t a couple of olive skinned tourists doing tourists stuff. This was obvious surveillence for future action.
The activities were such that had I observed them I would have detained them and conducted an investigation.
Can’t give more than that.
33
posted on
08/22/2007 1:58:25 PM PDT
by
TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig
(There once was a dream called, "Hippy Beat Down." The mere whisper of if caused cops to weep.)
To: IslandJeff
We are meat to them
tourists from Texas my butt
editor is high on crack
34
posted on
08/22/2007 2:34:37 PM PDT
by
-=SoylentSquirrel=-
(Did I mention I just got engaged to a fellow FReeper?)
To: Stoat
Question for the paper’s advertisers: What the HECK are you all thinking?!
35
posted on
08/22/2007 2:36:09 PM PDT
by
mewzilla
(Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
To: -=SoylentSquirrel=-
Oh, Joel Connolly
The sheep lie down with the wolves
You’re too smart for us
36
posted on
08/22/2007 2:44:02 PM PDT
by
IslandJeff
(Ephesians 6: 10-18)
To: TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig
From the information I got about this, This isnt a couple of olive skinned tourists doing tourists stuff. This was obvious surveillence for future action.The activities were such that had I observed them I would have detained them and conducted an investigation.
Cant give more than that.
An essential, crucial perspective; thanks very much for posting. One concern of mine is that these two were apparently doing this over the course of multiple days and multiple trips, and to such an obviously suspicious degree that numerous presumably-Liberal Seattleites were so frightened by their behaviors that they were reported numerous times. Their behaviors were so obvious that a State employee felt suitably justified in taking a broad-daylight, full-frontal photo of them while they were looking directly at, and presumably identifying, the photographer.
This suggests to me that these guys are either amateurs, they are intentionally trying to attract attention for political reasons (like the "flying Imams" flap) or they are trying to divert attention (and resources) from others who are doing the 'actual' surveillance.
Also, if it takes such obvious, blatant behaviors as these to gain suspicion, how many other more professional operatives are currently surveilling the ferries or other potential targets, and have not been discovered because they are actually being covert, discreet and 'professional' about their activities?
Although I am of course delighted that these two are FINALLY being pursued, I remain concerned that it took so very long and so many complaints to get the ball rolling on this.
37
posted on
08/22/2007 2:47:55 PM PDT
by
Stoat
(Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
To: Stoat
Embrace your bias
hateful commie editors
Left will get us killed
38
posted on
08/22/2007 2:52:11 PM PDT
by
-=SoylentSquirrel=-
(Did I mention I just got engaged to a fellow FReeper?)
To: Nickname
Lattes in their hands
leftist Editors Of Peace
assist their brethren
39
posted on
08/22/2007 2:55:27 PM PDT
by
-=SoylentSquirrel=-
(Did I mention I just got engaged to a fellow FReeper?)
To: gridlock
Arrogant libs know
what is best for us so please
just die quietly
40
posted on
08/22/2007 3:04:45 PM PDT
by
-=SoylentSquirrel=-
(Did I mention I just got engaged to a fellow FReeper?)
To: Stoat
Maybe they thought it was these guys.....

Brokeback Muslims
41
posted on
08/22/2007 3:12:17 PM PDT
by
Califreak
(Go Hunter!)
To: IslandJeff
Seattle P/I
tries to kill Americans
but goes down with ship
42
posted on
08/22/2007 3:15:27 PM PDT
by
-=SoylentSquirrel=-
(Did I mention I just got engaged to a fellow FReeper?)
To: IslandJeff; theFIRMbss
Can’t believe FBSS wasn’t pinged.
43
posted on
08/22/2007 3:17:13 PM PDT
by
IslandJeff
(Ephesians 6: 10-18)
To: mewzilla
Question for the papers advertisers: What the HECK are you all thinking?!In Seattle, there are essentially two local papers, the Seattle Times and the Seattle P.I. Many would argue that they are the same paper because there is a "joint operating agreement" guiding their operations that was brought about in a court decision some years ago. Mouthpieces of the papers will instantly bleat that "the papers have independent editorial control" but for those of us who have observed these 'news' outlets over the course of decades this is a distinction without meaning, as on an issue - by - issue basis, there isn't a dime's worth of difference between the two, although many would say that the PI is "the more hysterically and unabashedly Leftist" of the two.
That being said, if you are an advertiser and you want to run a print ad in the Seattle / King County market in a newspaper, you have no choice. There is no other option. You either advertise in the Times or the PI or you don't advertise in a Seattle paper that has any particular reach at all.
44
posted on
08/22/2007 3:17:21 PM PDT
by
Stoat
(Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
To: All
P.I. UPDATE (thanks again to Orbusmax for the link)
Tuesday's Daily Haiku was a bad call
Tuesday's Daily Haiku was a bad call
The paper's decision not to run photos of the two Seattle ferry passengers sought by the FBI didn't take long yesterday to become part of a widespread debate that provoked readers around the country.
It also spread throughout the blogosphere. While most blogs pointed directly to the debate, some made some poignant comments about the topic of yesterday's Daily Haiku contest, a topic that -- considering the sensitivity of the issue -- was probably not the best we could have come up with.
While the Big Blog mixes fun and news on a daily basis, in this case we undermined a serious issue and a serious debate, and made it seem as if we in the newsroom didn't acknowledge its importance.
So thanks to all the bloggers who pointed this out. We agree it was a bad call and will learn from the experience.
P.S. -- We're not going to pick a winner.
*************************************************************************************************
The reader comments at the linked page are a scream..... "almost" as good as the ones here :-)
I didn't know that there were that many sane people in Seattle.
45
posted on
08/22/2007 5:58:58 PM PDT
by
Stoat
(Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
To: Stoat
Dori Monson’s listeners (he’s on opposite Rush, I think, on KIRO) are a pretty loyal bunch.
Huzzah to them.
46
posted on
08/22/2007 6:12:37 PM PDT
by
IslandJeff
(Ephesians 6: 10-18)
To: -=SoylentSquirrel=-
47
posted on
08/22/2007 7:31:51 PM PDT
by
gridlock
(You値l never grow old with Hillary-Care!)
To: -=SoylentSquirrel=-
The Patriot Act
Frightens me a lot more than
Terrorists with bombs
48
posted on
08/22/2007 7:33:30 PM PDT
by
gridlock
(You値l never grow old with Hillary-Care!)
To: -=SoylentSquirrel=-
I must not offend
Muslim men are people too
What was that loud bang?
49
posted on
08/22/2007 7:42:47 PM PDT
by
gridlock
(You値l never grow old with Hillary-Care!)
To: Libertina; Stoat
***
Appreciate the PING...wish I could say this was unbelievable.
The old Seattle P.U. strikes again.
***
Ah, yes ... the Seattle Pravda-Izvestigencer ...
50
posted on
08/22/2007 7:55:13 PM PDT
by
ShorelineMike
(Constituo, ergo sum.)
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