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To: chessplayer
I challenge the conventional wisdom (on this board) that man-induced global warming is a myth.

I freely admit I haven't seen all of the evidence on both sides of the issue (and don't have time to and don't want to) but the articles referenced appear credible in support of human-induced global warming, and the entire attitude on this board has for some time now seemed to me to be suspiciously like a bandwagon that about a zillion people have jumped onto simply because they just don't want human-induced global warming to be true.

Declaring something to be a particular way simply because that's the way you want it is not an intelligent position. It's garbage when the libs declare 9/11 to be an inside job because they wish it had been, and it's garbage when conservatives declare a particular scenario to be reality out of wishful thinking as well.

I withhold judgment on the issue until and unless I understand the whole thing well. Which isn't going to happen, because I don't have time to study it to that degree.

11 posted on 08/22/2007 6:42:44 PM PDT by Luke Skyfreeper
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To: Luke Skyfreeper

Actually, I believe I have read that the scientists who are not alarmists think that human influence might rise to somewhere in the vicinity of 4%.

When you consider that Earth has been warmer without human industry or even high population, that all the planets in our solar system are observed to be warming and that climate cycles are well-known, well-documented and becoming more and more understood, why would you insist that the reason has to be human action or even existence?

Since there are beneficial aspects to warming, there is probably a percentage of humans who would welcome it, even though, reluctantly, they would have to look at the data we have right now and concede that a straight line increase in temperature on a global scale is probably not happening and likely will not happen.

Tell us why you are so convinced that any perceived global warming must be anthropogenic. You state:

“I freely admit I haven’t seen all of the evidence on both sides of the issue (and don’t have time to and don’t want to) but the articles referenced appear credible in support of human-induced global warming,(...)”

and then you state:
“I withhold judgment on the issue until and unless I understand the whole thing well. Which isn’t going to happen, because I don’t have time to study it to that degree.”

You admit to having no knowledge, having no desire to obtain any knowledge, but you castigate people, many of whom do have knowledge, have read the information and are capable of assessing it, often from a scientific POV, simply because, as you state:

” the articles referenced appear credible in support of human-induced global warming, (...)”

How would you be capable of assessing the credibility of any scientific study on either side of the issue, let alone evaluate the data as presented?


12 posted on 08/22/2007 8:31:54 PM PDT by reformedliberal
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To: Luke Skyfreeper
Re: 11

...and the entire attitude on this board has for some time now seemed to me to be suspiciously like a bandwagon that about a zillion people have jumped onto simply because they just don't want human-induced global warming to be true...

I admit it - I have been extremely suspicious (and negative) about this 'Global Warming' hoo-hah from the start primarily because the people pushing it are 'watermelons' (green on the outside/red on the inside). They have seized on this 'claim' with an unnatural zeal (come on -- a 1.6 degree rise in 100 years -- if I believe in the reliability of the measurements -- which I don't... Big whoop...) whose only solution is - guess what - to redistribute the wealth of the United States (about the only Nation that works for a living anymore) through some benighted governmental agency. Your tax dollars at work again...

Yes, I come to the table with prejudices built in because the folks pushing this from the start weren't the climatologists (although some have climbed on board in recent years), but socialists and their fellow camp followers. And my prejudices notwithstanding - we all know that there are fluctuations in climate. An inconvenient truth is that 'Greenland' was called 'Green' for a reason (yes, I know, I know, ...Lief Ericsson just called it 'Green' to get some more tourist action ... right...), and wine vineyards flourished in England. Temperatures go up, temperatures go down. We make do. A 1.6 degree rise (if true) in 100 years means zilch ('hockey sticks', and whatever hobgoblins get pulled out of the sack) notwithstanding...

We are in greater danger from the watermelon crowd than we are from temperature fluctuations. These people are out to destroy lives, in their zeal to control the world.

13 posted on 08/22/2007 8:49:20 PM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: Luke Skyfreeper
Luke Skyfreeper said: "I withhold judgment on the issue until and unless I understand the whole thing well. "

I don't think you understand what is happening. The global warming alarmists are well on their way to restricting YOUR use of conventional fuels because of their judgement that man-made global warming is a looming catastrophe for humankind.

All this, without an explanation for what caused the end of the last ice age. These same idiots were supporting the myth of a coming ice age just thirty years ago.

I think that any rational person would judge the whole issue as socialist nonsense. If you fail to identify your enemies, they will overwhelm you.

14 posted on 08/22/2007 8:51:37 PM PDT by William Tell (RKBA for California (rkba.members.sonic.net) - Volunteer by contacting Dave at rkba@sonic.net)
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To: Luke Skyfreeper

So why bother to post?? Seems like you have better things to do.


15 posted on 08/22/2007 8:59:04 PM PDT by gbs
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