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Pro-Choice Position 'More 'Moderate' than Pro-life? NYT Says So
NewsBusters ^ | Mark Finkelstein

Posted on 08/23/2007 3:07:58 PM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest

Views on abortion are basically binary: you're essentially either pro-life or pro-choice. And Americans are almost evenly divided. According to the Gallup Poll:

[W]hen the entire issue is distilled to the labels most commonly used on each side of the debate -- pro-choice vs. pro-life -- the public is split nearly down the middle.
Under these circumstances, it would seem logically impossible for one of the positions to be inherently "more moderate" than the other. But consider this sentence from a Times article of today, Opponents Attack Giuliani’s New York Record:
Mr. Giuliani’s candidacy has always been considered somewhat unorthodox, given his more moderate views on social issues like abortion, which put him at odds with many in the Republican base.
Are Rudy's positions on abortion and other social issues more liberal than those of the Republican base? No doubt. But more "moderate"? If a pro-life Democrat were running for president, it would make as much sense for the Times to say "Mr. X’s candidacy has always been considered somewhat unorthodox, given his more moderate views on social issues like abortion, putting him at odds with many in the Democratic base." But hey, the Times isn't in the sense-making business. It simply wants to portray its positions as the default, "moderate" ones.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abortion; moralabsolutes; newyorktimes; rudygiuliani
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1 posted on 08/23/2007 3:08:01 PM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: Behind Liberal Lines; Miss Marple; an amused spectator; netmilsmom; Diogenesis; YaYa123; MEG33; ...

Pro-choice the “moderate” position? Ping to Today show list.


2 posted on 08/23/2007 3:08:45 PM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest (Watching the Today Show since 2002 so you don't have to.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

This is no great surprise. The left always sees their radical view as being more widely accepted than that of the right. But the opposite is true.


3 posted on 08/23/2007 3:13:57 PM PDT by Jaysun (It's outlandishly inappropriate to suggest that I'm wrong.)
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To: All; governsleastgovernsbest

If Rudy is the nominee, many pro-lifers will either stay home or vote 3rd party. That’s what happened in 2006 when conservatives were angry with Republicans, but the LIFE issue is an even stronger issue for pro-lifers.


4 posted on 08/23/2007 3:14:17 PM PDT by Sun (Duncan Hunter: pro-life/borders, understands Red China threat! http://www.gohunter08.com/Home.aspx)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
"Pro-Choice Position 'More 'Moderate' than Pro-life? NYT Says So"

I just can't get past the headline before I have problems.

What exactly is a moderate position on abortion?

Just moderately kill the baby?

5 posted on 08/23/2007 3:16:22 PM PDT by WorkerbeeCitizen (An American Patriot and an anti-Islam kind of fellow. (POI))
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And pro-choice slavery is more “moderate” than pro-abolition of slavery... in BIZARROWORLD.


6 posted on 08/23/2007 3:18:45 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture (Duncan Hunter for President)
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To: WorkerbeeCitizen

I thought the same thing. When killing babies, it’s always best to do it “moderately”?


7 posted on 08/23/2007 3:19:36 PM PDT by Emmett McCarthy
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Rudy: The movie, Scene II, Pro-abortion,
8 posted on 08/23/2007 3:26:12 PM PDT by stockstrader (We need a conservative candidate who will UNITE the Party, not a liberal one who will DIVIDE it!)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

“If a pro-life Democrat were running for president, it would .............”

1) be the the 1960s.

2) signal that the end times are here.

3) provide an honorary starter for the National Championship Flying Pig Race.

4) give us somebody to speak up about that Russian judge at the Hell Ice Skating Championships.

5) foretell the coming Superbowl Champion Arizona Cardinals.

6) make for a really interesting race against President Ron Paul in 2012.


9 posted on 08/23/2007 3:31:52 PM PDT by cdcdawg
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To: Sun

That has really worked out well for us, hasn’t it? That strategy almost cost us defeat in the WOT. It has led to non-stop Congressional investigations. It has put tax cuts in jeopardy. It has moved us closer to socialized medicine. It strengthened the open borders crowd. Conservativism has been weakened. I think giving the Dems Congress has also put them in a better position to capture the WH in ‘08. The Fairness Doctrine could also become a reality, as well. No, but angry Republicans got to feel better and stick it to Bush. And I actually once thought voting on the basis of one’s feelings was entirely a characteristic of the political left. How wrong I was.


10 posted on 08/23/2007 3:53:00 PM PDT by attiladhun2 (Islam is a despotism so vile that it would warm the heart of Orwell's Big Brother)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

I have a problem with abortion.

But I have more of a problem with a government peeping inside every womans womb.

No need to flame me, you’d be wasting your time.


11 posted on 08/23/2007 3:56:21 PM PDT by djf (America welcomes immigrants! Sadly, America welcomes crimmigrants even more...)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
This is nothing new. The pro-aborts have been doing this for a long time with the standard line, "Well, I'm pro-choice but not pro-abortion," as if they're choosing between willingness to allow some babies to be killed and wanting to kill them all. Looking at it that way, why yes, I suppose 'pro-choice' is the more moderate position, but their idea of 'pro-abortion' is nothing more than a straw man.

Honestly, who are they fooling?

12 posted on 08/23/2007 4:04:58 PM PDT by GenXFreedomFighter
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To: attiladhun2

I was not one of the ones who stayed home, or voted 3rd party, in 2006. In fact, I begged people to vote for Republicans so we would not lose the Judiciary Committee.

However, if Rudy is the nominee, I will vote 3rd party. I cannot bear to pull the lever for a pro-partial-birth infanticide candidate, and no, I don’t trust him to pick originalist judges, either.


13 posted on 08/23/2007 4:08:36 PM PDT by Sun (Duncan Hunter: pro-life/borders, understands Red China threat! http://www.gohunter08.com/Home.aspx)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

You either support murder or you don’t. It’s pretty much digital. I don’t see any room for compromise there.


14 posted on 08/23/2007 4:12:06 PM PDT by vetsvette (Bring Him Back)
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To: djf

“No need to flame me, you’d be wasting your time.”

I presume that you don’t see anything wrong with murdering the baby the day after it’s born either.


15 posted on 08/23/2007 4:14:41 PM PDT by vetsvette (Bring Him Back)
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To: djf
No need to flame me

Translation: I don't accept criticism well

you’d be wasting your time

Translation: I'm a hit-'n-run poster; I lack the will and/or ability to even attempt to defent my post
16 posted on 08/23/2007 4:27:02 PM PDT by armydoc
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Pro-choice the “moderate” position?

Murder of helpless innocents the "moderate" position?

17 posted on 08/23/2007 5:08:54 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest; 230FMJ; 49th; 50mm; 69ConvertibleFirebird; Aleighanne; Alexander Rubin; ...
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18 posted on 08/23/2007 5:09:59 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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Pro-Life Ping


19 posted on 08/23/2007 5:10:50 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: LiteKeeper

Murder of helpless innocents the “moderate” position?
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Why yes! after all you only kill the ones you don’t want...


20 posted on 08/23/2007 5:18:50 PM PDT by Neidermeyer
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