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Reputed Klansman Gets Life Sentence
ABC News ^ | 8-24-07

Posted on 08/24/2007 12:16:48 PM PDT by SJackson

JACKSON, Miss. (AP) -- James Ford Seale, a reputed Ku Klux Klansman, was sentenced Friday to three life terms in prison for his role in the 1964 abduction and murder of two black teenagers in southwest Mississippi.

Seale, 72, was convicted in June on federal charges of kidnapping and conspiracy in the deaths of Charles Moore and Henry Hezekiah Dee, two 19-year-olds who disappeared from Franklin County on May 2, 1964.

The young men's bodies were found two months later in the Mississippi River.

Seale showed no emotion as U.S. District Judge Henry T. Wingate read his sentence.

Wingate told Seale the crimes committed 43 years ago were "horrific" and "justice itself is ageless." He denied a defense motion to allow Seale to be free on bond while his case is appealed.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Mississippi
KEYWORDS: kkk; klan; race; racerelations; races; racial; racism; racist; racists; sentencing
Ex-Klansman Convicted of Kidnapping in 1964 Mississippi Killings
1 posted on 08/24/2007 12:16:50 PM PDT by SJackson
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To: SJackson

No killer is worth more than his crime. Too bad he didn’t get the chair...


2 posted on 08/24/2007 12:18:55 PM PDT by Triggerhippie (Always use a silencer in a crowd. Loud noises offend people.)
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To: SJackson

Waiting for the first post to claim that this all happened so long ago and that it is needlessly cruel to put someone so old through this.


3 posted on 08/24/2007 12:19:08 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: SJackson

Instead of three life terms, why not just one life term without parole?


4 posted on 08/24/2007 12:19:17 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: Triggerhippie

“Too bad he didn’t get the chair...”

LOL! He’d be dead of natural causes before he ever got to sit in it.


5 posted on 08/24/2007 12:20:06 PM PDT by L98Fiero (A fool who'll waste his life, God rest his guts.)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

Why not the electric chair?


6 posted on 08/24/2007 12:20:41 PM PDT by Triggerhippie (Always use a silencer in a crowd. Loud noises offend people.)
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To: Triggerhippie

[Currently] of the opinion that the death penalty should only be used for those who have premeditatedly(?) murdered three or more people.


7 posted on 08/24/2007 12:22:58 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: wideawake
That is the argument that the left uses to cover the 60s and 70s radicals both black and white
8 posted on 08/24/2007 12:22:59 PM PDT by sticker
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To: L98Fiero

Too much time spent in the appeals process... it’s a damned shame.

In a perfect world there’d be 30 days for an appeal, 120 until execution. Rope is cheap (and reusable) and trees are plentiful...


9 posted on 08/24/2007 12:23:08 PM PDT by Triggerhippie (Always use a silencer in a crowd. Loud noises offend people.)
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To: sticker

Was there a campaign to murder racists in the 60s and 70s?


10 posted on 08/24/2007 12:24:24 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: SJackson
B-b-b-but, I's thought we's Mississippians wuz all racists, and would never convict a Klucker. Sez so in all the movies.

Also, Byron de la Beckwith was convicted by Bobby de Laughter, a Republican, during the Kirk Fordice administration (a Republican also). Now this piece of trash is being taken off the streets for life during the reign of Haley Barbour, another Republican.

Interesting how the Democrats never touched this guy.

11 posted on 08/24/2007 12:26:42 PM PDT by MuttTheHoople
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To: Triggerhippie

Indeed. The victims never got that kind of break.


12 posted on 08/24/2007 12:27:40 PM PDT by L98Fiero (A fool who'll waste his life, God rest his guts.)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

How ‘bout a long drop at the end of a short rope?


13 posted on 08/24/2007 12:27:46 PM PDT by Little Ray (Rudy Guiliani: If his wives can't trust him, why should we?)
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To: SJackson

Is this Robert Byrd’s old buddy?


14 posted on 08/24/2007 12:28:07 PM PDT by JerseyDvl (If You Support America - Thank a Soldier; If You Support Al-Qaeda - Thank a Democrat!)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

Not sure - sentencing requirements/weirdness, perhaps?

Or perhaps the judge wished to send a message.


15 posted on 08/24/2007 12:28:23 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: wideawake

No kidding. To them, I say:

Murder rightfully has no statute of limitations - nor should it ever have.


16 posted on 08/24/2007 12:29:34 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: L98Fiero

They should have given him a stiff wooden one then............ ;)


17 posted on 08/24/2007 12:30:12 PM PDT by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: SJackson

Anyone care to guess what his party registration was back then?


18 posted on 08/24/2007 12:30:47 PM PDT by Maceman
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

Oh, wait, I may know - the accused can only be sentenced according to the guidelines in place at the time the crime occurred.

If memory serves, didn’t this particular state have a moratorium on the death penalty at the time of the offense?


19 posted on 08/24/2007 12:33:37 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Maceman
Anyone care to guess what his party registration was back then?

If the story didn't say it would stand to reason he was a democrat.

20 posted on 08/24/2007 12:35:05 PM PDT by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: Spktyr
Murder rightfully has no statute of limitations - nor should it ever have.

Don't tell that to these folks.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1885178/posts

Or maybe they thought murder was O.K. because it was "just a cop" who was murdered.

21 posted on 08/24/2007 12:35:53 PM PDT by Triggerhippie (Always use a silencer in a crowd. Loud noises offend people.)
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To: Spktyr
You could be onto something there.

The [federal] Supreme Court reinstituted the death penalty in 1976. So in 1964, the death penalty might have been illegal.

22 posted on 08/24/2007 12:36:38 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: Spktyr
And maybe the state had laws against the death penalty, too. (haven't even been to Mississippi, and definitely not an expert).
23 posted on 08/24/2007 12:38:40 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: Spktyr

I once worked in a place where I was asked to transport (in my POV!!!) an insane woman who had killed her husband.

My supervisor told me “She didn’t kill him. She just stabbed him and he bled to death.”

Maybe they could work a similar punishment out for this guy. Not execute him by hanging, just let him exercise by climbing rope that has been tied to his neck. Or swimming, but to be sure he doesn’t escape, shackle him to 100 lbs of heavy chains.


24 posted on 08/24/2007 12:42:03 PM PDT by Triggerhippie (Always use a silencer in a crowd. Loud noises offend people.)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

No, there was a campaign to murder police officers, blow up gov’t buildings, burn ROTC buildings, etc. Whenever one of the criminals would surface, the claim that is was so long ago blah, blah blah is carried out by the left. What he did was wrong and he should be punished, but if he had been a black panther that had killed a police officer or a white radical that had killed someone when they bombed a building the media would have led the charge for getting them off


25 posted on 08/24/2007 1:07:52 PM PDT by sticker
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To: SJackson

There goes another Democrat!


26 posted on 08/24/2007 1:09:41 PM PDT by avacado
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To: SJackson

The above posts are the reason that I will continue to be proud member of FreeRepublic.

Gee! Freepers are really harsh with this guy. However, the left (including BO) fail to note this when the harshness is, justifiably, pointed in the other direction.

As a ‘minority’ I’ve found that the vast majority of FR just don’t like racists of any stripe.


27 posted on 08/24/2007 1:13:53 PM PDT by TheInvisibleMan
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To: TheInvisibleMan
Gee! Freepers are really harsh with this guy. However, the left (including BO) fail to note this when the harshness is, justifiably, pointed in the other direction....As a ‘minority’ I’ve found that the vast majority of FR just don’t like racists of any stripe.

You're right, though there are exceptions that prove the rule. Don't tell Bill O'Reilly though.

28 posted on 08/24/2007 1:34:44 PM PDT by SJackson (isolationism never was, never will be acceptable response to[expansionist] tyrannical governments)
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To: wideawake

How about.

This is a farce... period...Not Justice.

Witnesses for the defense are dead.. senile?..
The Defendant easily could be in a diminished mental state himself unable to sufficiently aid in his own defense..

Go back far enough and you can make up any crap you choose.. Who can refute it?..

This is wrong no matter how much we dislike the guys ideology and beliefs.

There is no way this 40 year old case is rock solid. If the evidence were it would have been brought 30 years or more ago.

W


29 posted on 08/24/2007 1:41:19 PM PDT by WLR
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To: WLR
If he's in a diminished state his attorney should have argued that. Personally I think you made that up.

There was plenty of contemporaneous evidence, the local prosecutor opted not to file charges in 1964, not the only time that happened.

There's no indication the evidence was made up, the kids are dead, one of his cohorts testified, and a jury convicted him. That's how it works.

Clearly you feel there needs to be a statute of limitations on crimes like murder. How long should it be?

How old must someone be to be considered in a diminished mental state? Seale is 71, older men run for the Presidency.

30 posted on 08/24/2007 1:53:03 PM PDT by SJackson (isolationism never was, never will be acceptable response to[expansionist] tyrannical governments)
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To: Triggerhippie

Agreed, that would have been justice.


31 posted on 08/24/2007 2:11:12 PM PDT by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: TheInvisibleMan
As a ‘minority’ I’ve found that the vast majority of FR just don’t like racists of any stripe.

Exactly. As you already know, and as the left and Bill O'Reilly haven't figured out, racism is "collectivist" thinking at its worst. True conservatives eschew racism as antithetical to our most revered beliefs.

32 posted on 08/24/2007 2:24:48 PM PDT by Triggerhippie (Always use a silencer in a crowd. Loud noises offend people.)
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To: WLR

Would you feel the same if the victim had been a member of your family?


33 posted on 08/24/2007 2:47:39 PM PDT by packrat35 (PIMP my Senate. They're all a bunch of whores anyway!)
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To: wideawake

>Waiting for the first post to claim that this all happened so long ago and that it is needlessly cruel to put someone so old through this,<

I’m glad to see that they finally got him and that he didn’t get a ‘time served’ sentence. Let’s hope that some lifers hang the old bugger so he can feel the terror.


34 posted on 08/24/2007 2:49:21 PM PDT by B4Ranch ( "Freedom is not free, but don't worry the U.S. Marine Corps will pay most of your share.")
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Anyone care to guess what his party registration was back then?

Ummm let's see, that's a toughy. Could it be the same party that totally dominated MS for a century after the civil war and held every office higher than dogcatcher for all that time? Could it be the same party that for decades filibustered every attempt by Congress to guarantee voting rights to minorities? Or maybe the same party that fought desegregation of schools, lunch counters, drinking fountains, buses and trains, theaters, rest rooms, etc, for decades?

Nah, I didn't think so, I must have been thinking of those eeeviiil racist Republicans.

35 posted on 08/24/2007 2:51:39 PM PDT by epow ("Let the redeemed of the LORD say so, whom he hath redeemed from the hand of the enemy;)
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To: WLR

Justice delayed *is* justice denied - but better late than never.

Let’s also not forget that his own accomplice ratted him out, the witnesses were NOT dead, and IIRC, he was examined for diminished capacity and found to be competent to stand trial.


36 posted on 08/24/2007 3:12:20 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: WLR

It should also be mentioned that the area was KKK/Democrat (much the same thing at the time) controlled until very recently.


37 posted on 08/24/2007 3:13:08 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: wideawake

It only took another 26 posts.


38 posted on 08/24/2007 3:13:51 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: SJackson

I feel about this guy as I would any Nazi War Criminal, I don’t care if they are a hundred years old, they do not deserve to spend the rest of their days on their own terms.


39 posted on 08/24/2007 3:15:57 PM PDT by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Still Championship U)
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To: WLR
This is a farce... period...Not Justice.

A murderer walking around free for 43 years isn't justice.

Finally locking the SOB up is.

Witnesses for the defense are dead.. senile?..

Who knows? After all, the defendant faked his own death once to evade justice. Who's to say who is dead and who is to say who is magically feigning senility just in time for trial?

The Defendant easily could be in a diminished mental state himself unable to sufficiently aid in his own defense..

Wow. That's a real shame. And also completely irrelevant.

I'll also point out that he just turned 71. He isn't that old.

Go back far enough and you can make up any crap you choose.. Who can refute it?..

What is irrefutable:

(1) People who knew the defendant personally - his own friends - identified him on the scene in 1964. Oh, and that scene contained the bodies of two real human beings. They really existed. They weren't made-up or crap.

(2) The defendant has no alibi whatsoever for the time he spent kidnapping, torturing, transporting and murdering those men. He did not show up for work. He did not show up for Sunday services. He was nowhere to be found.

(3) He was an active member of the WK-KKK - an organization that openly advocated violence.

(4) He testified on behalf of the KKK before Congress in 1966 where he was asked to account for his whereabouts on that weekend and if he ever met the victims. He smiled, puffed on his cigar, smiled again, and invoked the Fifth Amendment.

(5) The initial investigation by the FBI presented evidence to the local DA, who was a friend of the defendant's father. On the same day that the FBI presented the evidence, the DA made a motion to dismiss it and he found a local judge who was friendly with both himself and the defendants father to dismiss the indictment pending his own investigation into the matter. He never bothered to follow up or do any investigation of any kind. How was he able to examine all the hundreds of pages of evidence thoroughly, write up a motion to dismiss and get it dismissed all within a couple of hours?

(7) The evidence the FBI took is still valid and the jury is still entitled to consider it - which it did.

This is wrong no matter how much we dislike the guys ideology and beliefs.

Well, I know I at least despise this snake's twisted worldview. And finally evaluating evidence that was covered up by a corrupt DA and a corrupt judge isn't wrong at all. It's the only right thing to do.

There is no way this 40 year old case is rock solid. If the evidence were it would have been brought 30 years or more ago.

The evidence was rock solid and it was brought 42 years ago. And it was quashed by corrupt officials.

Finally, justice has caught up to this dirtbag. The trial was eminently fair and based on hard evidence.

May he rot.

40 posted on 08/24/2007 9:58:29 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: wideawake
A murderer walking around free for 43 years isn’t justice.

You are right it is a sad thing but locking up some 71 year old guy 41 years later is not justice either.

Justice delayed as Justice denied is a two way street.

(1) People who knew the defendant personally - his own friends - identified him on the scene in 1964. Oh, and that scene contained the bodies of two real human beings. They really existed. They weren’t made-up or crap.

The people murdered were human being and not crap. Again your right..

However you misstate or misunderstand.. This Case is Crap..
Not the victims.

So the reason he was not prosecuted was a politically corrupt racist district attorney who has been in office for the last 42 years? ... Please spare us.

Has there been any action to free and or restore the rights and compensate black persons or their surviving family members arrested and imprisoned during the “corrupt” 42 year time period? .. Has there been any effort to investigate every white whose prosecution was dropped or where the defendant was found innocent during that same time?

No and that is simply more proof this is a Sham.

Like I said this is a farce..

Crass political “feel good” theater for some.

There were Millions of Members of the KKK so what?

Different time..

He testified before the Congress, smiled and invoked the 5th Amendment..

Whooo ....wipe that smile off your face. Lest you face charges 40 years later.

The evidence was rock solid and it was brought 42 years ago. And it was quashed by corrupt officials.

So this “Rock Solid evidence languished for 42 years and only now does “Justice” Triumph?

Please spare me... I do not support what they did... But this is a political trial no different than when he supposedly got away with murder in a different Political environment..

Neither are Justice my friend..

Can you honestly not understand that?

This prosecution and conviction is “feel good Political Theater” at this point.

Not justice in the least.

W

41 posted on 08/29/2007 11:33:57 PM PDT by WLR
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To: SJackson

How much more are the democrats and NEA guilty of dumbing down black people.. in Detroit and Washington D.C. and all major cities..


42 posted on 08/29/2007 11:45:37 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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