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Social Security, immigrants and fraud
Washington Times ^ | 8/25/07 | House Editorial

Posted on 08/24/2007 11:18:05 PM PDT by JohnHuang2

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To: JohnHuang2

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21 posted on 08/25/2007 2:48:55 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: crazyshrink
Doesn’t the employer send in Soc Sec payments to the SS admin anyway, thus adding to the fund w/o an obligation to pay out later?

I think a lot of these jobs pay cash and nothing is reported.

22 posted on 08/25/2007 6:22:43 AM PDT by Veggie Todd (Were those magic grits?)
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To: JohnHuang2; potlatch; Strawberry Blonde; holdonnow; stevemalzberg1; Laura_Ingraham; PhilDragoo; ...


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NOW  THAT  YOU'VE  LEFT  ME?

23 posted on 08/25/2007 6:52:02 AM PDT by devolve ( _Google-Illegals_Killed_25_Americans_Each_Day _A_Mex_Illegal_Alien_Sold_911_Terrorists_IDs_)
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To: vets son; crazyshrink; JohnHuang2; All

It seems there is a loophole whereby illegal alien wages do go toward their ss benefits. And if the Bush admin. Mexican totalization agreement is implemented it will be disastrous.

[snip]For five years Olivia Avila worked under a false name and bogus Social Security number at the National Beef meatpacking plant in Liberal to support her family. She kept working there after obtaining legal residency two years ago.

But it was not until she went into the Social Security Administration to get credit for her earlier wages as an illegal worker that her legal problems began — even though a loophole in federal law allows lawful immigrants to claim both legally and illegally earned wages in determining Social Security benefit eligibility.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1885962/posts


24 posted on 08/25/2007 9:00:58 AM PDT by AuntB (" It takes more than walking across the border to be an American." Duncan Hunter)
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To: television is just wrong

In California they don’t even have to be legal to collect SSDI. We have our own state funded program to pay out to illegals.
Drag grandma across the border and sign her up!
http://www.dss.cahwnet.gov/cdssweb/CashAssist_2257.htm


25 posted on 08/25/2007 9:07:07 AM PDT by sheana
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To: crazyshrink

I would just love it if 15 or 20 people were using my SS# for a few years. Could you just imagine the size of my SS check?


26 posted on 08/25/2007 9:17:48 AM PDT by tiki
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To: tiki
Could you just imagine the size of my SS check?

Guess what. SS 'shares' that data with the IRS.

Can you say "tax audit"? I knew you could.

L

27 posted on 08/25/2007 9:29:45 AM PDT by Lurker (Comparing moderate islam to extremist islam is like comparing small pox to ebola.)
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To: crazyshrink
Doesn’t the employer send in Soc Sec payments to the SS admin anyway, thus adding to the fund w/o an obligation to pay out later?

Yes.

I've posted this several times on similar threads.

From the Washington Times, Mar. 29, 2007

......In 2004, "uncredited earnings" -- Social Security tax payments that can't be matched to valid Social Security numbers -- totaled $65 billion -- about 10 percent of the program's total income. The amount of uncredited earnings stood at $301.8 billion in 1999, but had grown to $585 billion by 2004, according to the Senior Citizens League report. Government officials say they don't know how many illegal aliens are paying into the system, but say illegal aliens are probably the "chief cause" of uncredited earnings.......

IMHO one of if not the primary reason why politicians refuse to stem the tide of illegals, $$$$.

28 posted on 08/25/2007 9:30:24 AM PDT by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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To: Vinnie

Gotcha, Vin. I can see it’s a chief reason also why illegals so stridently demand a fast track to “legalization”... under totalization, they can draw benefits on those funds... if I’m reading all the info here correctly.

It would have been such a win-win-win for everyone (except the tax-paying citizens) to pass the amnesty a few months ago, as then the Dem socialists would have a permanent majority of voters.


29 posted on 08/25/2007 9:45:34 AM PDT by La Enchiladita
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To: JohnHuang2

The SS do not keep files on anyone..

When an employer calls the SS they only have the name, the number and an address..

There are no birth certificate info, age, nationality, work history, etc..

That is why Elvira-of-the-sanctuary-church-sanctuary could use the SSN of a lady born here in 1920..

Illegal aliens name their children the same name and then use their SSN..

The SSN of American children are stolen and used..again no birth date or place are on file..

however if the employers call the IRS, the info is available there..but there is no provision in the law etc to do so..and the IRS info is private etc..

Therein we are in a quandry..


30 posted on 08/25/2007 11:13:24 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: crazyshrink

That’s why such a big portion of the fake SS#s were for government employees. The govt. doesn’t pay under the table, so those employees have to have some sort of SS#.


31 posted on 08/25/2007 11:36:42 AM PDT by expatpat
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To: devolve

Good posting devolve!


32 posted on 08/25/2007 11:40:56 AM PDT by potlatch (MIZARU_ooo_‹(•¿•)›_ooo_MIKAZARU_ooo_‹(•¿•)›_ooo_MAZARU_ooo_‹(•¿•)›_ooo_))
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To: Centurion2000

yeah tell B of A that. and by the way the sheriffs won’t do anything either.


33 posted on 08/25/2007 11:57:15 AM PDT by television is just wrong (deport all illegal aliens NOW. Put all AMERICANS TO WORK FIRST. END WELFARE.)
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To: Centurion2000

“Knew someone else whose son had his SS# stolen. B OF A will not turn the perpetrator over to anyone. They claim the perp is only using the SS# for a checking account and has done NO HARM to anyone”

B of A s worse than the illegals.....aiding a felony.


34 posted on 08/25/2007 12:32:51 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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To: Vinnie

Very informative post. Thank you.


35 posted on 08/25/2007 2:26:17 PM PDT by crazyshrink
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To: Centurion2000

yeah tell our govt that.


36 posted on 08/25/2007 6:05:46 PM PDT by television is just wrong (deport all illegal aliens NOW. Put all AMERICANS TO WORK FIRST. END WELFARE.)
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37 posted on 08/26/2007 11:28:11 AM PDT by gubamyster
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