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Capture of Persia (Iran) led to Islam War
San Antonio Express ^ | 8/25/07 | San Antonio Express

Posted on 08/25/2007 4:32:09 PM PDT by freedom44

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21 posted on 08/26/2007 6:36:21 AM PDT by SJackson (isolationism never was, never will be acceptable response to[expansionist] tyrannical governments)
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To: freedom44

History matters. The present boundary between Iran and Iraq was established in 1639 with the signing of the Treaty of Zuhab, after the Turks had driven the Safavids out of Mesopotamia. That dynasty, BTW, was an alliance of Turkomen and Persians, with the Turkomen tribes as the chief military elements. The Persians were the diplomats and administrators.


22 posted on 08/26/2007 7:32:32 AM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia
Another thing to be remembered is that the religious wars came about as a result of a close alliance between territorial lords and the various faiths The Protestant princes defended Luther’s reforms as a way of preventing the Emperor Charles V from consolidating power in Germany as Charles, as Carlos I, was consolidating royal power in Spain. The French kings, as part of a continuing strategy, aligned themselves with the enemies of Charles, since they shared military frontiers with Charles in the Netherlands. and the South, and were adversaries of Charles In Italy. For more than ten years Francis I of France tolerated Protestant doctrines in his realm. Then in 1533, radical Protestants, broke the civil peace by posting placards with violent attacks on the Catholic Church. This is where young John Calvin enters public life. His teachings are, if anything, more uncompromising than Luther’s, and lead to a split in the Protestant camp. From his refuge in Geneva, Calvin directs with the force of his writings the Reformation in Rhine Valley and France. The new surge provokes a response from the Catholics assembled at Trent and the establishment of the militant order of the Jesuits, and the ideology battle is now well joined. The aim to to capture the king, for Christendom is split, and whichever side the political ruler chooses, that religion is now the religion of the land. Political ambition and fanaticism are now joined, and war will divide Latin Europe into two new civilizations, the one permanently Catholic and the other permanently Protestant. Once Germany have been savaged in a bloody stalemate, the relgious boundaries are fixed almost beyond changing, and purely dynastic motives will dominate war. Balance of power becomes the norm.
23 posted on 08/26/2007 8:02:02 AM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

I was wondering what your perspective is on this.

- The most common belief however, held almost universally by Bible teachers, is that the Antichrist Empire will be a revived Roman Empire.

There are however some glaring problems with this theory:

Firstly, Rome was the sixth empire.

• The Egyptian Empire
• The Assyrian Empire
• The Babylonian Empire
• The Persian Empire
• The Greek Empire

If Rome was the sixth, and will also be the last, then what happened to the seventh? This theory has a gaping hole.

Is Rome the sixth, seventh and the eighth empires?

Neither Scripture nor history nor common sense supports this. Secondly, every one of the previous six empires ruled the Middle East, including Jerusalem. This is very important. We must always remember that the Bible is thoroughly Jerusalem centric. It is not America centric, nor is it Western centric. In the biblical view of things, Jerusalem is the center of the earth. This point cannot be underscored enough.

Any theory that revolves around a revived Roman Empire based in Europe - for instance on the European Common Market - is a foreign concept to the Bible.

Unless the empire rules over or directly affects Jerusalem, it is actually a bit irrelevant to biblical mind-set.
And the third crucial point is that if we look at the first six empires, each succeeding empire either destroyed or absorbed the empire that preceded it. There is a very natural sucession. If we look at each empire, we see that they all fulfill these two characteristics: they ruled over Jerusalem and they defeated or absorbed their predecessor. The Egyptian Empire ruled all of Egypt and Israel as well. But the Assyrian Empire defeated the Egyptian Empire and likewise ruled over a vast portion of the Middle East, including Israel. After this, the Babylonian Empire defeated the Assyrian Empire and became even larger than its predecessor, again, ruling over Israel. Such is the pattern with each successive empire: The Medo/Persian Empire succeeded the Babylonian Empire only to be succeeded by the Greek Empire. The Greek Empire was in turn suceeded by the Roman Empire. Which leads us to the seventh empire. Who overcame the Roman Empire?

In order to answer this question, we need to briefly review the fall of the Roman Empire. What exactly happened?

In 395 A.D., The Roman Empire was divided into two portions; the eastern and the western portions. The Eastern portion became known as the Byzantine Empire. In 410 A.D. the western capital city of Rome fell to invading Germanic tribes known as the Visigoths or Barbarians. The western/European half of the Empire including its capital had fallen but the Roman Empire nevertheless continued.

How so?

It simply shifted its capital and its throne from Rome to Constantinople – a thousand miles east. The western European portion of the Roman Empire fell but the Eastern Byzantine portion of the Roman Empire lived on for nearly another thousand years with Constantinople as its capital. The Roman Empire didn’t actually completely fall until the eastern portion of the Empire finally fell to the Turks in 1453 A.D. Likewise it was the Islamic Caliphate of Umar Ibn al-Khattab that took Jerusalem in 637. Thus we see that it was the various manifestations of Islamic Empire culminating with the Ottoman Empire that suceeded the Roman Empire and ruled over the entire Middle East, beginning with Jerusalem for over thirteen hundred years.

The Turkish Empire existed right up until 1909.
Thus we see that the only empire that fulfills the patterns necessary to be considered the seventh empire is the Turkish/Ottoman Empire. This of course corresponds perfectly with Ezekiel’s list of nations with such a heavy emphasis on Turkey.

The Turkish Empire was the seat of the Islamic Caliphate. It was not until 1923 that the Islamic Caliphate was officially abolished. Today the Islamic world is awaiting the restoration of that Caliphate. I believe that the Bible teaches that someday soon the Turkish Empire will be revived.

The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because he once was, then he was not, and yet came again. Revelation 17:8

At that time, we may expect to see the Islamic Caliphate restored. Eventually this position will possibly be given to a man whom the Muslim world would refer to as the Mahdi, but whom people of understanding would identify as the man known biblically as the Antichrist.


24 posted on 08/26/2007 10:50:06 AM PDT by VaBthang4 ("He Who Watches Over Israel Will Neither Slumber Nor Sleep")
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To: VaBthang4

People have to stop taking Islam seriously. It is not a real religion. If a Sumatra head hunter told you his religious beliefs would you have any respect for them? Would you find them logical? Islam is the same

Islam should be studied be it is a serious enemy. The threat and Jihad of Islam should be taken seriously. But its beliefs are illogical and idiotic and come from a false prophet

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Warning Against False Prophets

Matt 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Matt 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

Matt 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

Matt 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither [can] a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

Matt 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

Matt 12:33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by [his] fruit.


25 posted on 08/26/2007 11:27:30 AM PDT by dennisw
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