Posted on 08/26/2007 2:54:35 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
Did you get all that, MHG? Seems a little unclear to me. Maybe we need a language instructor or something? ;)
Full Blown Prairie Fire Flame War Placemarker
"Out of the abundance of the heart; the mouth speaks."
I realize you really believe that JS was instructed to do so by an Angel.
I will never believe that. Men are created with a desire to have lots of sex, women not so much. Monogamy is so much easier for the average woman.
JS came up with an ingenious way to get lots of sex. It lead to his death. How you cannot see that, I don’t know.
You should elevate your thoughts to realizing that Jesus clearly taught marriage is to be a monogamous relationship.
I’m caught up!
I’ll be gone a couple of weeks.
If you never hear from me after FRIDAY, I’ve probably bought a farm in a slot canyon in Utah.
Joseph Smith’s diddling, and screwing around with other mens wives invokes a felling all right!
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I would like a give and take dialog, something where a scholarly study of the facts and evidences can be worked back and forth. Yet try as I may, there are people here who only want to spit on those who believe different. When held to the fire, to really give the answer to the actual question, they only spit harder. You win the “discussion” by using the form of censorship called intimidation. You shout louder and harder until we give up. Will, I guess you win, for now.
My, what an interesting thread..we have people informing us on the state of our souls, the nature of our posting styles, and now the use of language.
I find the following phrase from the particular poster, roy, who admits to being irritating in his demands on others to follow his orders simply hilarious!
Do you want to teach or irritate?
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I would like a give and take dialog, something where a scholarly study of the facts and evidences can be worked back and forth. Yet try as I may, there are people here who only want to spit on those who believe different. When held to the fire, to really give the answer to the actual question, they only spit harder. You win the “discussion” by using the form of censorship called intimidation. You shout louder and harder until we give up. Will, I guess you win, for now.
I’m trying to shock you.
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AGAIN:
I would like a give and take dialog, something where a scholarly study of the facts and evidences can be worked back and forth. Yet try as I may, there are people here who only want to spit on those who believe different. When held to the fire, to really give the answer to the actual question, they only spit harder. You win the “discussion” by using the form of censorship called intimidation. You shout louder and harder until we give up. Will, I guess you win, for now.
Here is a positive for you!
I have a Mormon Tabernacle CD and I love it! The America one. Number 10 is my favorite. When I first came to this land, is the song.
And their Handel’s Messiah is superb!
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Because of your befortime actions, I have no faith in your ability to have a ‘scholarly’ discussion.
I would like a give and take dialog, something where a scholarly study of the facts and evidences can be worked back and forth. Yet try as I may, there are people here who only want to spit on those who believe different. When held to the fire, to really give the answer to the actual question, they only spit harder. You win the “discussion” by using the form of censorship called intimidation. You shout louder and harder until we give up. Will, I guess you win, for now.
Smith talked alot about his bowels too. Does that mean he’s full of __it. I sure no one’s bowels are moved with compassion toward me...talk about bowels full of truth!!!
Doctrine and Covenants 121:45
Let thy bowels also be full of charity towards all men,
Doctrine and Covenants 121:3
Yea, O Lord, how long shall they suffer these wrongs and unlawful oppressions, before thine heart shall be softened toward them, and thy bowels be moved with compassion toward them?
Doctrine and Covenants 101:9
Verily I say unto you, notwithstanding their sins, my bowels are filled with compassion towards them.
Doctrine and Covenants 85:7
And it shall come to pass that I, the Lord God, will send one mighty and strong, holding the scepter of power in his hand, clothed with light for a covering, whose mouth shall utter words, eternal words; while his bowels shall be a fountain of truth,
I tried the give and take thing with you yesterday. It turned out you really just wanted to play games of semantics.
I hope you find the truth you seem to be searching for.
It’s gone downhill from there...
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did you notice the “to xxx” numbers got off track in your example. You seem to be saying that the post that says “to 561” is the answer to “560” and the one marked “to 605” is the answer to “606”.
There were two “conversations” going on between us.
I see why you are going downhill from there. push the back to button and be truthful.
Does your version of the bible have God telling us not to kill...
I have one that tells me not to murder.
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USING HALF TRUTHS TO TELL A LIE, NOW HOW ABOUT ANSWERING THE REAL QUESTION, NOT HALF THE QUESTION.
:::::::;from 689 THE REAL QUESTION, NOT THE MISDIRECTION ONE YOU TRYED TO SELL US.
This seems a bit strange, for GOD to call it an ABOMINATION, and then to COMMAND it later!!
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Does your version of the bible have God telling us not to kill, then telling one or more of us to kill a son, or a city?
If so, to follow your logic to the end, you must believe the bible cannot be the true word of god.
He still thinks he can “earn” his way to Celestial Glory.
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At the LAST SUPPER, Jesus taught about some of the divisions in our Father’s house. He even speaks of getting one of the places in our Father’s house ready for the disciples at the table. Then he reasserted that there are many different places in our Father’s house.To my finite mind,(this is not from the Church, it is from me) I see the three degrees of glory as no more then different subdivisions for the many mansions.
[CHAPTER 14;
1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
2 In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.]you wrote
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Since I was quoting the KJV of the Bible, are you saying that Christians know better then to believe the Bible?406 posted on 08/28/2007 11:08:29 AM CDT by fproy2222 (If you want to know the truth, study both sides.)To: fproy2222Since I was quoting the KJV of the Bible, are you saying that Christians know better then to believe the Bible?Is this one of the parts that is translated INCORRECTLY according to JS?
414 posted on 08/28/2007 11:30:41 AM CDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 406 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]To: ElsieSince I was quoting the KJV of the Bible, are you saying that Christians know better then to believe the Bible?Is this one of the parts that is translated INCORRECTLY according to JS?
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Again, sidestepping with a question instead of clarifying yourself.To: fproy2222Again, sidestepping with a question instead of clarifying yourself.I merely wanted to know if this was a portion of Scripture the JS had 'clarified'.
560 posted on 08/28/2007 4:05:22 PM CDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
Again, sidestepping with a question instead of clarifying yourself.
I merely wanted to know if this was a portion of Scripture the JS had ‘clarified’
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good question and worth looking into, but it is still being used to side step th original question.Since I was quoting the KJV of the Bible, are you saying that Christians know better then to believe the Bible?
If you had never heard of Mormonism, we mere protestants would not have known how many glorious mysteries were stripped away from our incomplete Holy Book; only to be restored to greatness by Joseph Smith.
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I know you are trying to be funny. Funny thing is, if you change “by Joseph Smith” to “through Joseph Smith” you would be right on.606 posted on 08/28/2007 5:25:46 PM CDT by fproy2222 (If you want to know the truth, study both sides. To the most original source.)Wrong stuff!!!
Since you was quoting the KJV of the Bible, are you saying that LDS organization members know better than to believe the JST?
If so, to follow your logic to the end, you must believe the god you worship IS a flip-flopper; rherefore it's ok if Mitt is as well.
I tried the give and take thing with you yesterday. It turned out you really just wanted to play games of semantics.
I hope you find the truth you seem to be searching for
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stop trying and do.
If so, to follow your logic to the end, you must believe the god you worship IS a flip-flopper; rherefore it’s ok if Mitt is as well.
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A simple yes or no to state what you believe,but no you are true to form and try misdirection. I have known a lot of people to use this tactic to lie and deceive.
Restornu, I view polygamy as a sin, an evil sin.
I realize you really believe that JS was instructed to do so by an Angel.
I will never believe that. Men are created with a desire to have lots of sex, women not so much. Monogamy is so much easier for the average woman.
JS came up with an ingenious way to get lots of sex. It lead to his death. How you cannot see that, I don’t know.
You should elevate your thoughts to realizing that Jesus clearly taught marriage is to be a monogamous relationship.
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Find all of this is your person input into something that is not for you or I to have a say, this is the Lord God purpose.
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1. Gen. 16: 1-11
1 NOW Sarai Abram’s wife bare him no children: and she had an handmaid, an Egyptian, whose name was Hagar.
2 And Sarai said unto Abram, Behold now, the LORD hath restrained me from bearing: I pray thee, go in unto my maid; it may be that I may obtain children by her. And Abram hearkened to the voice of Sarai.
3 And Sarai Abram’s wife took Hagar her maid the Egyptian, after Abram had dwelt ten years in the land of Canaan, and gave her to her husband Abram to be his wife.
4 ¶ And he went in unto Hagar, and she conceived: and when she saw that she had conceived, her mistress was despised in her eyes.
5 And Sarai said unto Abram, My wrong be upon thee: I have given my maid into thy bosom; and when she saw that she had conceived, I was despised in her eyes: the LORD judge between me and thee.
6 But Abram said unto Sarai, Behold, thy maid is in thy hand; do to her as it pleaseth thee. And when Sarai dealt hardly with her, she fled from her face.
7 ¶ And the angel of the LORD found her by a fountain of water in the wilderness, by the fountain in the way to Shur.
8 And he said, Hagar, Sarai’s maid, whence camest thou? and whither wilt thou go? And she said, I flee from the face of my mistress Sarai.
9 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Return to thy mistress, and submit thyself under her hands.
10 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude.
11 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou art with child, and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction.
2. Gen. 25: 1
1 THEN again Abraham took a wife, and her name was Keturah.
3. Gen. 29: 28
28 And Jacob did so, and fulfilled her week: and he gave him Rachel his daughter to wife also.
4. Gen. 30: 4, 9, 26
4 And she gave him Bilhah her handmaid to wife: and Jacob went in unto her.
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9 When Leah saw that she had left bearing, she took Zilpah her maid, and gave her Jacob to wife.
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26 Give me my wives and my children, for whom I have served thee, and let me go: for thou knowest my service which I have done thee.
5. Ex. 21: 10
10 If he take him another wife; her food, her raiment, and her duty of marriage, shall he not diminish.
6. Deut. 17: 15-17
15 Thou shalt in any wise set him king over thee, whom the LORD thy God shall choose: one from among thy brethren shalt thou set king over thee: thou mayest not set a stranger over thee, which is not thy brother.
16 But he shall not multiply horses to himself, nor cause the people to return to Egypt, to the end that he should multiply horses: forasmuch as the LORD hath said unto you, Ye shall henceforth return no more that way.
17 Neither shall he multiply wives to himself, that his heart turn not away: neither shall he greatly multiply to himself silver and gold.
7. Deut. 21: 15
15 ¶ If a man have two wives, one beloved, and another hated, and they have born him children, both the beloved and the hated; and if the firstborn son be hers that was hated:
8. 2 Sam. 2: 2
2 So David went up thither, and his two wives also, Ahinoam the Jezreelitess, and Abigail Nabal’s wife the Carmelite.
9. 2 Sam. 5: 13
13 ¶ And David took him more concubines and wives out of Jerusalem, after he was come from Hebron: and there were yet sons and daughters born to David.
10. 2 Sam. 12: 7-9
7 ¶ And Nathan said to David, Thou art the man. Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, I anointed thee king over Israel, and I delivered thee out of the hand of Saul;
8 And I gave thee thy master’s house, and thy master’s wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things.
9 Wherefore hast thou despised the commandment of the LORD, to do evil in his sight? thou hast killed Uriah the Hittite with the sword, and hast taken his wife to be thy wife, and hast slain him with the sword of the children of Ammon.
11. 1 Kgs. 11: 1-4
1 BUT king Solomon loved many strange women, together with the daughter of Pharaoh, women of the Moabites, Ammonites, Edomites, Zidonians, and Hittites;
2 Of the nations concerning which the LORD said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall not go in to them, neither shall they come in unto you: for surely they will turn away your heart after their gods: Solomon clave unto these in love.
3 And he had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines: and his wives turned away his heart.
4 For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the LORD his God, as was the heart of David his father.
12. 2 Chr. 13: 21
21 ¶ But Abijah waxed mighty, and married fourteen wives, and begat twenty and two sons, and sixteen daughters.
13. 2 Chr. 24: 3
3 And Jehoiada took for him two wives; and he begat sons and daughters.
14. Isa. 4: 1
1 AND in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach.
15. Jacob 2: 27, 30
27 Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none;
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30 For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people; otherwise they shall hearken unto these things.
16. Ether 10: 5
5 And it came to pass that Riplakish did not do that which was right in the sight of the Lord, for he did have many wives and concubines, and did lay that upon men’s shoulders which was grievous to be borne; yea, he did tax them with heavy taxes; and with the taxes he did build many spacious buildings.
17. D&C 132: 37-38, 52, 61-62
37 Abraham received concubines, and they bore him children; and it was accounted unto him for righteousness, because they were given unto him, and he abode in my law; as Isaac also and Jacob did none other things than that which they were commanded; and because they did none other things than that which they were commanded, they have entered into their exaltation, according to the promises, and sit upon thrones, and are not angels but are gods.
38 David also received many wives and concubines, and also Solomon and Moses my servants, as also many others of my servants, from the beginning of creation until this time; and in nothing did they sin save in those things which they received not of me.
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52 And let mine handmaid, Emma Smith, receive all those that have been given unto my servant Joseph, and who are virtuous and pure before me; and those who are not pure, and have said they were pure, shall be destroyed, saith the Lord God.
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61 And again, as pertaining to the law of the priesthood—if any man espouse a virgin, and desire to espouse another, and the first give her consent, and if he espouse the second, and they are virgins, and have vowed to no other man, then is he justified; he cannot commit adultery for they are given unto him; for he cannot commit adultery with that that belongeth unto him and to no one else.
62 And if he have ten virgins given unto him by this law, he cannot commit adultery, for they belong to him, and they are given unto him; therefore is he justified
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/132/37c
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/132/37c?cr=1
You remind me very much of another poster who tried the same tactics...it didn't go over well then, either.
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