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The entire article is written as though these "laws" appeared from on high...written on stone tablets or something. The entire elite bureaucracy in Congress, states, schools, and psychiatric councils began ignoring public safety decades ago, giving favor to individual rights. The article implies they did so out of fear of litigation. But ANYTHING can be litigated....the question is: why did the law favor the litigants?

After decades of treating dangerously ill/malevolent children as "disabled", we got Columbine and its aftermath. The elites took to the airwaves and told us such violence was unprecedented and blamed it on guns, violent videos, etc. What they failed to tell us was that, unlike all previous history, disturbed and/or dangerous individuals had been "mainstreamed" to the point that it was actually illegal for schools and/or other institutions to remove what they considered a threat to public safety (might require a value judgement and we can't have bureaucrats doing THAT!).

It'll be interesting to see if the Kaine Commission is allowed access to Cho's "private records".

1 posted on 08/27/2007 2:38:56 AM PDT by Timeout
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Laws are made to protect Society from individuals. They got it half A backwards on this one.


2 posted on 08/27/2007 2:46:32 AM PDT by Sacajaweau ("The Cracker" will be renamed "The Crapper")
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ON THE 'NET...

VT REVIEW PANEL.org - News

WTOP.com (AP): "Roanoke, VA - "PANEL CHAIR: TECH RESPONSE SCRUTINIZED" (August 21, 2007, 9:40 pm)

WTOP.com (AP): Roanoke, VA. - SUSPICIOUS MAN SEEN BEFORE VA. MASSACRE" by Sue Lindsey and Zinie Chen Sampson (ARTICLE SNIPPET: "Two days before the Virginia Tech massacre, witnesses saw a suspicious man in a hooded sweat shirt and found at least one exit door chained shut in the building where Seung Hui Cho killed 30 people, police said Friday.") (August 10, 2007, 6:31 pm) (Note: This link has been updated. See the WTOP article above.)

Adam Gadahn's Speech (in English) (Courtesy of LauraMansfield.com) (SPEECH SNIPPET: "And your failure to heed our demands and the demands of reason means that you and your people will - Allah willing - experience things which will make you forget all about the horrors of September 11th, Afghanistan, Iraq, and Virginia Tech.") (May 29, 2007)

More Links (May 29, 2007)

JIHAD WATCH.org (Video): "'Ya Allah, please continue to allow Americans to be slaughtered in their own country'" (May 3, 2007)

LittleGreenFootballs.com (MEMRITV.org): "VIRGINIA TECH: THE ISLAMOFASCIST VIEWPOINT" (April 23, 2007)

WorldNetDaily.com: "VIRGINIA TECH MASSACRE Death Toll Limited Before Campus Gun Ban 5 years ago, shooter subdued by armed students" (April 22, 2007)

WASHINGTON TIMES.com: "A SIGNAL OF DEADLY VIOLENCE TO COME" by Jerry Seper (April 20, 2007)

INTERNET-HAGANAH.com: "THE JIHADI REACTION TO THE SHOOTING AT VIRGINIA TECH" (SNIPPET: "Addressing the shooter he says: "So long, and Allah bless you."") (April 23, 2007)

THE MEMRI BLOG (Source: Aafaq.org, April 17, 2007): "LIBERAL ARAB WEBSITE REPORTS: DEBATE ON VIRGINIAN TECH MUSLIMS STUDENTS' MAILING LIST CONCERNING PERMISSIBILITY OF PRAYING FOR MERCY FOR NON-MUSLIM VICTIMS" (April 19, 2007)

JIHAD WATCH.org: "'THE SOUTH KOREAN SHAIKH, ABU MUS'AB AL-VIRGINI'" (April 19, 2007)

WASHINGTON TIMES.com: Blacksburg, Virginia - "GUNMAN ID'd IN VA. TECH KILLINGS" (April 17, 2007, 2:09 pm)

More Links (post no. 895) (April 17, 2007)

3 posted on 08/27/2007 2:51:14 AM PDT by Cindy
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They did appear “from on high”. Most likely from this same group of know-it-all, egomaniac, elitists interviewed in this article.

The Ivory Tower Dwellers don’t want to be held responsible in either case. They don’t want to be “litigated” if some mental defective isn’t chosen for their university OR if that same mental defective goes over the edge and kills other peoples’ kids. They want to be held harmless in all cases.

4 posted on 08/27/2007 2:53:27 AM PDT by singfreedom ("Victory at all costs,.....for without victory there is no survival." Winston Churchill)
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Moreover, many colleges say they don't want to know because of the potential liability.

I would think that Congress or legislatures could give them limited immunity.

7 posted on 08/27/2007 3:43:53 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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many colleges say they don't want to know because of the potential liability

As VA Tech and other schools have found out, this head-in-the-sand behavior can have deadly consequences for the student population. It's a risk that college actuarial tables say is worthwhile, so don't bet on any changes soon.
8 posted on 08/27/2007 3:48:20 AM PDT by Thrownatbirth (.....when the sidewalks are safe for the little guy.)
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The only way Virginia Tech officials would have known about Cho's anxiety and selective mutism would have been if Cho or his parents told them about it and asked for accommodations to help him, as he had received in Fairfax.

The only way?

Well, VT admitted him. Couldn't they go back to interviewing students for admission? Then they'd get a peek at someone with a severe personality disorder and get a chance to decide whether they really belong on campus.

Interviewing as a condition of the admission process has apparently gone by the wayside, I've been told.

9 posted on 08/27/2007 4:20:14 AM PDT by WL-law
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It sounds like colleges for the most part, don’t want to know and don’t care to protect students or staff.

This only strengthens the need for students and teachers to be allowed to carry concealed weaponry.

Nobody will know til “hell breaks loose” and the only line of defense will be immediate and self-protection of oneself and the ones around self.


11 posted on 08/27/2007 4:36:24 AM PDT by George from New England
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As recently as 2003, parental pressure caused the College Board to stop flagging SAT scores for students who had been given special education accommodations while taking the test.

"Special educational accommodations" may include someone to read the questions to the student, someone to write the answers, a distraction-free environment, and extra time on the test.

Those special accommodations will continue to be offered once the student is admitted to college. Most common is extra time on exams. I have been told to give some students 250% time on exams to accommodate a "learning disability." That, I was assured by the disability "experts" at my university, was entirely appropriate. (They never would explain how they arrived at 250%.)

I once objected that allowing a student two and a half hours to take a one-hour exam would give him an unfair advantage. Not so, said the "experts"; it merely "levels the playing field." Besides, they said, in real life (outside the university), the ability to work quickly is not important.

In other words, time is not money, and the graduate will continue to expect special accommodations on the job. Nothing could convince the disability "experts" that an engineer who cannot read because of a learning disability will be a severe liability on the job. Apparently, they expected the employer to hire a reader, provide a distraction-free environment, and arrange extended work deadlines for the learning-disabled engineer.

14 posted on 08/27/2007 4:59:51 AM PDT by Logophile
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Never mind what VA Tech knew. Cho knew that VA Tech was unarmed.


15 posted on 08/27/2007 5:01:02 AM PDT by Larry Lucido (Hunter 2008)
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It'll be interesting to see if the Kaine Commission is allowed access to Cho's "private records".

They'll probably want to avoid that for fear of litigation.

17 posted on 08/27/2007 5:16:53 AM PDT by madprof98 ("moritur et ridet" - salvianus)
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They say it was common for professors to call on Cho and for him to remain silent. The teachers would become angry, and students would taunt him.

Since when?  When does this happen, in multiple classrooms of a college?  

If it were true, this sentence would be an indictment of Virginia Tech. 

I don't believe it.  I call horsesh!t on the whole article.

19 posted on 08/27/2007 6:27:26 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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Well...I have a little reservation about the point of the article. We can never identify and isolate all the unstable people in society. Sure, it’s nice to try, but not too effective. What we can do is allow people to protect themselves from the unstable by not disarming the good guys.


22 posted on 08/27/2007 7:16:49 AM PDT by jammer
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This article makes Cho’s family look worse and worse. They knew their boy was severely screwed up and rather than take responsibility and help him themselves they dumped him on society (and the government) while withholding critical information. Maybe Cho’s victims should sue Cho’s family for failing to warn VaTech that Cho was such a head case.


23 posted on 08/27/2007 7:24:53 AM PDT by rogue yam
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A little article I submitted elsewhere:

Three Ways To Improve Campus Security

Regardless of who is to blame and for what, VT reminds us that in an age of terrorist threat it is only common sense to improve awareness in the public sphere.

Here are three easy, effective, and non-invasive ways of improving campus security:

1) EMERGENCY WARNING ALARMS: In Iraq, American bases are equipped with simple emergency warning sirens and loudspeakers that provide 100 percent coverage throughout the base. If you are awake you’ll heard it (and usually you’ll be awakened from your sound sleep, given the volume).

CODE RED is a simple but unique sound that means “Go to a safe location; heighten your awareness; stand by for further information.” After anywhere from 5 to 15 minutes comes either a reiteration of the CODE RED siren or the unique CODE YELLOW alarm.

CODE YELLOW is a second unique sound that means the threat has been reduced, but only designated and critical personnel may move about freely, while others are to stay in their present (presumably safer) locations. Usually CODE YELLOW includes some kind of verbal instruction.

CODE GREEN or ALL CLEAR means the threat has been addressed and personnel may resume their normal duties and locations.

This system is simple, affordable and effective in keeping people out of harm’s way during actual or potential emergencies.

2) EMERGENCY ALERTING: The counties of Northern Virginia and indeed all of Metro DC participate in a regional emergency alerting system via the Roam Secure Alert Network.

Best described by the participating counties themselves, the system is “an emergency communication system used by governments, emergency management agencies and first responders to send emergency alerts, notifications and updates to your cell phone, pager, Blackberry, PDA and/or e-mail account.”

It goes on to say that “In the event of an emergency, such as a terrorist attack or severe weather incident, Arlington County emergency management personnel will send important alerts, updates and instructions right to your cell phone or mobile device using your device’s text message (SMS) feature, and/or to your e-mail account(s).”

The system provides nearly realtime information and updates, and is incredibly easy for even the most ardent technophobe to setup and use.

Anyone interested should read the Arlington County pages at www.arlingtonalert.com, or check Roam’s own pages at www.roamsecure.net.

3) AWARENESS AND SELF-DEFENSE TRAINING: Undoubtedly the most controversial aspect of campus security, Awareness and Self-defense Training can be anything from a one-hour mandatory seminar on campus security, to various and optional courses on personal self-defense, and perhaps a campus monitoring program similar to Neighborhood Watch.

There is no need to convert the college campus into a fortress. But it is necessary to improve alerting and awareness, and to admit that these measures will unfortunately be needed at some college campus sometime in the future.


32 posted on 08/28/2007 5:15:09 AM PDT by angkor
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