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Illegal immigrants choice: work underground or leave
SFGate.com ^ | August 27, 2007 | Tyche Hendricks

Posted on 08/27/2007 5:12:45 AM PDT by period end of story

Jorge S., an East Bay grocery store clerk, worries about his family's future if the Bush administration follows through with its declaration this month to crack down on employers who fail to verify the legal status of their workers.

"Everyone at the store is worried about it. We're all in the same boat," said Jorge, 53, who invented a Social Security number to get hired eight years ago and would not give his last name for fear of losing his job. "I'd be in a very difficult situation if I lose my job."

Jorge is among hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants in Northern California who are working without proper authorization. Immigration experts say that American jobs are the biggest magnet for illegal immigrants and that the new policy of enforcing a 20-year-old law barring employers from hiring undocumented workers is an important step in reducing illegal border crossings.

"It's the only thing that could have a deterrent effect," said Wayne Cornelius, director of the Center for Comparative Immigration Studies at UC San Diego. "The overwhelming incentive for coming here is the prospect of being employed in jobs that invariably pay far more than low-skilled jobs pay in Mexico or other sending countries."

Some advocates of tougher worksite enforcement say that if the new policy is seriously enforced, it could not only deter prospective foreign workers from coming without authorization but make life so miserable for illegal immigrants already in the United States that they will decide to leave.

"You'll see it become much more difficult for illegal immigrants to get mainstream jobs," said Mark Krikorian, executive director of the Center for Immigration Studies in Washington, which advocates reduced immigration, both legal and illegal.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government
KEYWORDS: aliens; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; unconvictedfelons
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1 posted on 08/27/2007 5:12:46 AM PDT by period end of story
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To: period end of story

The illegals are no different from anyone else who is on the lamb. Living with the fear of arrest on a daily basis, ain’t no fun.

Go home and get in line, Pedro.


2 posted on 08/27/2007 5:17:19 AM PDT by wolfcreek (tagline on holiday)
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To: period end of story

I had an idea this morning that I haven’t seen floated. Why not require proof of legal residence or visit in the country before we allow people to wire funds?

BOOM. A lot less money flowing away from our economy and a lot less incentive to come here.


3 posted on 08/27/2007 5:24:52 AM PDT by Greg F (Ann Coulter is smarter than most of us and quicker witted than all of us.)
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To: period end of story

If I invented a SSN and worked under it, the IRS would track me down pronto and I’d do jail time.


4 posted on 08/27/2007 5:25:29 AM PDT by SampleMan (Islamic tolerance is practiced by killing you last.)
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To: period end of story

The illegals think it’s all between them, the government, and the traitors that employ them. The American people are not even part of the picture. We are supposed to pay their bills and shut up.

Regards


5 posted on 08/27/2007 5:29:02 AM PDT by ARE SOLE (Agents Ramos and Campean are in prison at this very moment..)
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To: period end of story

I am so sick and tired of all this “living underground” baloney. They aren’t hiding when they’re parading down main street waving Mexican flags and denouncing the US. They aren’t hiding when they’re whining to any gulible reporter with a camera. They aren’t hiding when they’re buying lobbyists to gain US rights. They aren’t hiding when they’re sending their kids to school, applying for free housing, frequenting the clothing and food banks, or running up medical bills for the taxpayer. They aren’t hiding when they’re out commiting murder, rape, robbery, and any number of other crimes. The only ones hiding is Jorge and our government.


6 posted on 08/27/2007 5:32:41 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: period end of story
the new policy of enforcing a 20-year-old law barring employers from hiring undocumented workers is an important step in reducing illegal border crossings.

Gee, what a novel idea this enforcing of laws already on the books.

7 posted on 08/27/2007 5:34:36 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: Greg F
Why not require proof of legal residence or visit in the country before we allow people to wire funds?

Police can't ask citizenship so why would Western Union be required to? They have bank accounts so just mail a check across the border. Besides, it's not like they don't already take wads of cash with them every other weekend when they hop back down to visit grandma.

8 posted on 08/27/2007 5:39:47 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: period end of story
Another FreePer pointed out this morning that if the administration really does get serious with efforts to cut off the supply of jobs, benefits and de facto amnesty to the illegal immigrants that it might not even necessary to have a fence. We need a fence because people see life on this side of the border as better than life on their side. Change that equation and you’ll change their incentive to get here!

I would much rather spend the billions of dollars earmarked for the fence to come up with a dependable system to let employers find out who is here illegally, using a fake or stolen social security number and/or identity.

In the long run a vigorous defense of our border and employment system will be good for Mexico. Even though it’s illegal those with some “get up and go” have gotten up and gone from Mexico to America. Mexico will be much better off when those people discover it’s easier and safer to stay there and work to improve their own country.

9 posted on 08/27/2007 5:42:18 AM PDT by jwparkerjr (Sigh . . .)
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Yah, they could just mail it. Make it illegal to transfer funds if not a legal resident. Then if check sent, cash transfer, gives a trail allowing the investigator to find them, charge them. Cash, could just scan letters for cash, same deal. If no return address, and cash mailed out of country, government seizes.


10 posted on 08/27/2007 5:43:08 AM PDT by Greg F (Ann Coulter is smarter than most of us and quicker witted than all of us.)
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To: mtbopfuyn
"Police can't ask citizenship so why would Western Union be required to?"

For the same reason your bank or credit union is required to report any transaction in your account totaling more than $10K to the feds---because it's (or would be) a law.

11 posted on 08/27/2007 5:54:35 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: wolfcreek
The illegals are no different from anyone else who is on the lamb. Living with the fear of arrest on a daily basis, ain’t no fun.

While this is a good move, it won't cause any serious fear of arrest. It most likely will send many home and stem the tide of newcomers, but it won't do anything about true criminals and leaches. I'm still mad the gov't has done so little to deport or even seek out gangbangers, murderers, rapists, etc.

12 posted on 08/27/2007 6:00:45 AM PDT by umgud
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To: jwparkerjr
This is a quote from an article from Mexico.....

Over the last fifteen years, Sin Fronteras has worked to develop two different coalitions: the popular coalition and the legislative coalition.

We believed that the popular coalition, which mobilized the undocumented and the Latino community, was necessary to bring the legislative coalition to take and win the maximum gain in this current battle over reform of the law. We also recognized that the struggle does not stop with the passage of a new law, as the Black Liberation struggle did not stop with the passage of the civil rights act, but that the legislative coalition was necessary because our people wanted and needed immediate relief from the attack on their dignity and standard of living.

The popular coalition has made great gains. We have shown that we are not only for protecting the rights of the undocumented but we are struggling for Latinos to become a voice for justice for all of Latin America. We have supported self-determination and opposed assimilation into this nation’s individualistic, imperialistic values. We have taught that our people did not come here because of the American Dream but because of what the

American nightmare did to our countries of origin. We have asserted that our demand to be here and to be fully enfranchised here is a right not a privilige and a destiny of our people to transform this nation.

Read the entire article here, it's very enlightening. http://www.somosunpueblo.com/Unify_and_Focus.html

13 posted on 08/27/2007 6:15:37 AM PDT by YellowRoseofTx
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To: Greg F
I had an idea this morning that I haven’t seen floated. Why not require proof of legal residence or visit in the country before we allow people to wire funds?

Won't work, sorry. The richest man in the world (No, not Billy Gates) makes a lot of money from this business and other monopolies or near monopolies he owns in Mexico. With that money, he buys lots of politicians on both sides of the border. Wonder why so many Repubies were for 'Immigration Reform' a few months ago? Well, they get checks from Carlos 'Jaime' Slim'.

14 posted on 08/27/2007 6:24:13 AM PDT by pikachu (Be alert -- we need more lerts!)
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To: pikachu

Wonder why so many Repubies were for ‘Immigration Reform’ a few months ago? Well, they get checks from Carlos ‘Jaime’ Slim’.

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I saw yesterday that Disney World spent several million dollars lobbying for easier travel visas to boost tourist visits to their parks. Lots and lots of money is pumped into this system without national interest being even remotely a motivator.


15 posted on 08/27/2007 6:27:10 AM PDT by Greg F (Ann Coulter is smarter than most of us and quicker witted than all of us.)
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To: period end of story

“I’ve been breaking the law for 8 years and now I might have to stop breaking the law! WAAAAAH!”


16 posted on 08/27/2007 6:33:11 AM PDT by ikka
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To: Greg F
I had an idea this morning that I haven’t seen floated. Why not require proof of legal residence or visit in the country before we allow people to wire funds?

I think this would just create a middleman situation. Illegals would pay 10 bucks to a legal resident to wire money for them.

17 posted on 08/27/2007 6:44:18 AM PDT by freespirited (The mystery of government is not how Washington works but how to make it stop. -- P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: freespirited

I think this would just create a middleman situation. Illegals would pay 10 bucks to a legal resident to wire money for them.
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And then those middlemen expose themselves to legal risk. Another tool to get lawbreakers in the area of illegal aliens known and a conviction on their records.


18 posted on 08/27/2007 6:59:02 AM PDT by Greg F (Ann Coulter is smarter than most of us and quicker witted than all of us.)
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To: mtbopfuyn
The only ones hiding is Jorge and our government

BTTT

19 posted on 08/27/2007 7:01:58 AM PDT by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: freespirited; Greg F

A refundable fee on money transfers out of the country would work, IMO. Refundable when(if) they file an income tax return.


20 posted on 08/27/2007 7:49:05 AM PDT by gopheraj
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