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FAIRTAX, FLAWED TAX?
Nealz Nuze/WSB Radio ^ | August 27, 2007 | Neal Boortz

Posted on 08/27/2007 7:53:49 AM PDT by Turret Gunner A20

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To: Huck

“Simplify the existing tax code.”

Insufficient. It leaves every American an accountant, and the IRS with its nose in our business.

Neither is acceptable.


21 posted on 08/27/2007 8:36:08 AM PDT by PreciousLiberty
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To: Turret Gunner A20

I still lean towards the Flat Tax idea and keep it at 10%. From everything I’ve seen, a flat tax of 10% will give the government more money than they will ever need. If this is true and the government doesn’t like it, this means they just want more of your money to keep you broke and powerless.


22 posted on 08/27/2007 8:36:18 AM PDT by RC2
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To: ex-snook
The bigger your income, the bigger your tax and your life insurance

This is where the democRATS and regressive income taxes get you. The democrats mantra about raising taxes on the rich is disingenuios at the very least. The rich are rich and will stay rich. Income taxes are a tax on the acquisition of wealth. Since you earn more then you should pay more goes the Marxist theory. The reality is that the truly wealthy do not pay income taxes. For one reason and one reason only. The rich do not have EARNED income. The income tax is applied to earned income. The rich have capital gains taxes which are substantially less than the income tax rates.

Since it is not earned income, but capital gains on an investment, then the profits of that gain are taxed as capital gains. There is nothing in the tax code that says that profits from capital gains cannot be used to pay daily living expenses. Thus, the very wealthy typically have little or no earned income.

Skip the argument about punishing achievers and all of that tripe. It's meaningless. The point of regressive income taxes is to keep the unwashed filth that is you and I, is (1)To keep us working and paying taxes. (2) To keep us from acquiring real wealth and infiltrating those places where the wealthy like to inhabit. Do you think for a minute that the rich democRATs want us moving into West Palm Beach, the Hamptons, Martha's Vinyard? Not on you life. Do you think that Ted Kennnedy wants you or I living next to him in Hyannis? Or Diane Feinstein or Barbera Boxer or Barbera Streisand or Nancy Pelosi, wants you or I living next to them? Not in a millioin years do these people want us even within 10 miles of them and their estates.

23 posted on 08/27/2007 8:37:49 AM PDT by Ouderkirk (Don't you think it's interesting how death and destruction seems to happen wherever Muslims gather.)
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To: fabian

“americans that actually argue for the intrusive and confiscatory income tax”

under penalty of perjury, incarceration, and fine, you must accurately and fully disclose every source of income that you have received

vs

the right to be secure in your persons and papers from unreasonable search and seizure.


24 posted on 08/27/2007 8:37:53 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Phantom Lord

OK, you own a business...why would you be first to give away money?


25 posted on 08/27/2007 8:39:03 AM PDT by steve8714 (Spiderpig..Spiderpig..does whatever a spiderpig does...can someone get that out of my head?)
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To: Turret Gunner A20

There are many dimensions to competition. Price is only one. Even now, there are place I can buy tires cheaper than where I do. Why do I buy where I do?
There is a difference between price and cost.
Impulse buyers will buy on price, you see them at Wal-Mart at midnight Thanksgiving. Smart consumers look for service and convenience also. In the staffing business, if our workers comp went down, we didn’t give anything back to the customers, who were already willing to pay that price. Plese tell me who would want to be first.


26 posted on 08/27/2007 8:43:15 AM PDT by steve8714 (Spiderpig..Spiderpig..does whatever a spiderpig does...can someone get that out of my head?)
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To: Always Right
same double talk, same rhetoric, same BS.
Note how he didn’t talk about how Leo Linbek and Robert McNair made a “jihad” out of taking down the IRS after they both got caught “double dipping” the system...
27 posted on 08/27/2007 8:46:58 AM PDT by xcamel (FDT/2008 -- talk about it >> irc://irc.freenode.net/fredthompson)
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To: Turret Gunner A20

Thanks. I had not studied the Fair Tax before. This simplified and helped me to understand what we need to work for.

I REALLY want the government out of my daily life!


28 posted on 08/27/2007 8:50:30 AM PDT by wizr (A step in Faith will set you free.)
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To: steve8714
OK, you own a business...why would you be first to give away money?

Just make sure you save a few dollars for the "Going Out Of Business, Everything Must Go!!!" signs.

29 posted on 08/27/2007 8:50:34 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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To: Phantom Lord

Venture, GEM and Shoppers Fair are all gone. KMart is kept afloat by their real estate. Macy’s and Saks are doing fine.
Service businesses thrive at greater than lowest price.
Get real.


30 posted on 08/27/2007 8:55:22 AM PDT by steve8714 (Spiderpig..Spiderpig..does whatever a spiderpig does...can someone get that out of my head?)
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To: steve8714
File this under “Lies you must believe to support the (UN)fairtax”...
31 posted on 08/27/2007 8:56:31 AM PDT by xcamel (FDT/2008 -- talk about it >> irc://irc.freenode.net/fredthompson)
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To: steve8714

OK, you’ve never owned a business in a competitive market.


32 posted on 08/27/2007 9:00:41 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: ex-snook
The bigger your income, the bigger your tax and your life insurance. The bigger your house, the bigger your tax and your house insurance. Size matters. What?s unfair about that?

Yes, but would it be fair to charge all homeowners whose houses were over 2500 square feet a higher rate per square foot? That's the analogy to how income taxes are now. "Flat tax" doesn't mean everybody pays the same amount, it's just to make everyone pay at the same rate, so someone earning and spending twice as much would pay twice the tax bill.

33 posted on 08/27/2007 9:02:37 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Turret Gunner A20
Just as I thought, you really can’t read.

LOL, I love ignorant people who insult. What are you taking over for pigdog? You don't even attempt to make an argument.

34 posted on 08/27/2007 9:05:31 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: Ouderkirk
"Do you think for a minute that the rich democRATs want us moving into West Palm Beach, the Hamptons, Martha's Vineyard?"

Rich Republicans don't want 'us' either. It seems that if all income [not just earned income] was taxed as the same rate, income tax rates would go down. In a political economy, the majority of people must benefit from any change. That's called an election.

35 posted on 08/27/2007 9:05:33 AM PDT by ex-snook ("But above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: Phantom Lord
Ok, you own a business. Your competitor across the street drops his prices. What do you do? Keep your prices up and lose customers and go out of business, or follow suit to remain competitive?
What the hell do you think he's going to do? He's going to drop his prices. That's why it is stupid for his competitor to drop his prices. If they get into a price war, they both lose. They would both be better off leaving prices where they are.

Read some game theory.
36 posted on 08/27/2007 9:06:44 AM PDT by Your Nightmare
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To: Turret Gunner A20

The Fair Tax is still deeply flawed.

The most basic flaw is that it will re-tax money that has already been taxed. Virtually all of my savings was saved after-tax (with the exception of my 401K) and when I go to spend any of it I’ll be taxed again on that same money.

Unless that flaw is corrected then the Fair Tax is doomed. There are too many people in my situation who stand to be royally screwed by this fix.


37 posted on 08/27/2007 9:08:02 AM PDT by Filo (Darwin was right!)
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To: MrB

Would you care to speculate further on my bio? I didn’t put that much detail in my profile.
Let’s just say I learned what I say the hard way.


38 posted on 08/27/2007 9:09:25 AM PDT by steve8714 (Spiderpig..Spiderpig..does whatever a spiderpig does...can someone get that out of my head?)
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To: Filo
Your post tax money is already retaxed when you purchase something because of the embedded taxes in the product.

How is that different and better than the FairTax you will pay?

39 posted on 08/27/2007 9:09:30 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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To: RobFromGa

Ping. It looks like Boortz is up to his old tricks.


40 posted on 08/27/2007 9:10:39 AM PDT by Your Nightmare
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