Posted on 08/28/2007 4:19:23 AM PDT by Kaslin
I would. My mom, who lives in Orange County, California, one of the most conservative places on earth, is less than a mile from one of the biggest mosques in the US, in Anaheim, built brand spanking new. I live in northern Virginia, and women in not just the hijab scarves, but the full-on "niqab", that covers everything but the eyes is an everyday sight. EVERYDAY -- these gals are in the grocery stores and banks, nothing but their eyes showing. Five miles from the nation's capitol. We're in denial over here in the US about the number of muslims in our midst.
but the views of Britain given abroad by the MSM are highly misleading.
What? The MSM is not telling the whole truth about something? I'm shocked, just shocked! < /sarcasm
‘Given the way states tip toe around the subject I think your Celtic count is a tad inflated. Besides, at least over here, Semitic, Persian, etc. are not ‘non white’, Hispanics can choose to be either, and “white” is not “Celtic”.’
In UK stats Semitic and Persian are non-white, Hispanics from Spain are white, those from the Americas are non-white. Celtic is very white, bordering on blue! :)
‘Please do not disappear, we need you as much as you need us.’
Hear, hear! I dare say we’ll manage a few more millenia! :)
“Google is not Gospel my friend”
Touche’
Food for thought. More people attend church on sunday than stand on the football terraces on a saturday. That has always been true and it is still true today...
‘The home page for NationMaster.com states that it draws its statistics “from such sources as the CIA World Factbook, UN, and OECD.” Assuning the primary sources are valid, which must be questioned in the first place when one is dealing with UN statistics due to the leftist bias of that body, the issue is whether NationMaster interprets data correctly. There is no evidence that NationMaster conducted an impartial, scientificly valid survey of church attendance in the many nations that are represnted in this chart. Unless such evidence exists, it is justifiable, and indeed necessary, to question the statistics you cited.’
A fair point, but in lieu of better ones, these are the fairest I can find. I prefer an argument backed by slightly biased sources, than no sources at all or even worse, highly biased ones.
‘numerous other researchers (Barna, Gallup) have shown that Americans adhere to major points of Christian doctrine at a higher percentage than Europeans, especially Western Europeans.’
You simply cannot make such judgements about ‘Europe’. Some European countries go to church far more than America does, some far less. Different European countries have different intrepretations of what Christian doctrine is that disagrees with US Christian doctrine. No-one could’ve been a more devout Christian than my maternal grandmother, but her puritan upbringing saw no need for a middleman, her faith connected her straight to God without the ritualistic theatre (as she saw it) of a church.
To me and I venture to suggest, many other Britons, churches are for weddings, funerals and fetes, private faith is the real Christianity.
‘So we import people...Muslims in your case.’
Nope. We import far fewer muslims than the US does. We import lots of Poles, but not muslims. We’ve had more Poles come to the UK since 2003 than we have total muslim population. The UK has 1.7m muslims, the US has somewhere between 6m and 20m depending on who you believe including 2.1m ‘good’ african-americans who have converted to islam. And we all know by now it’s the converts you have to watch the most closely! :(
‘More people attend church on sunday than stand on the football terraces on a saturday. That has always been true and it is still true today...’
Yes, they pray and pray and still no more goals are scored! :)
Yet more evidence they can't do their job properly.
Among the young people I know mostly university/college crowd none go to church on a regular basis.. and don’t seem to believe in god. The boys are proud of what western civilization has achieved and want to stop mass migration of third world peoples, but the girls you get the usual marxist arguments about all the bad things we have done to third world peoples, and downplaying our achievements and supporting immigration.
On the other hand most christian denominations are supporting the most liberal immigration policies.. and in many cases inviting, sheltering, hiding illegal migrants to America.
Liberals despise western culture, and will do anything to destroy it.
I haven’t read Steyn’s book, but will try too. However, a title like ‘America Alone : The End of the World as We Know It’doesn’t really suggest a rational exploration of the facts. It suggests a man walking down the street with a sandwich board reading ‘The End is Nigh!’. We do face a very real threat from Islamic terror (as tragic events around the world have illustrated). However, in some regards too much hysteria has greeted the doubtless dangerous threat of Islamic terrorism from some quarters. Just a few points if I may:
1)The facts remain that in the UK immigration from Eastern Europe is forming the largest body of migration at present.
2)The UK’s muslim population is 2-3%. Their higher birthrates will have likely been swamped by the influx of Eastern Europena workers alone.
3)Having commuted into London (or ‘Londonistan’) for the past three years I have come to see it as a truly international city. Most immigrants to the UK live in the area of London. However, immigrants I have seen have been from Eastern Europe, Western Europe, China, Africa (a really diverse bunch). Muslims are a small minority even in London. The fact that they tend to ghettoise can give false impressions sometimes.
4) Britain has been dealing with far more sophisticated and lethal terrorism than that tragically directed against us by Islamists in the past and has always prevailed. Sometimes authors such as Steyn seem to forget that terrorism existed before the tragic events of 9/11. Please don’t get me wrong. 9/11 was an act of unspeakable horror and tragegy and my heart goes out to you in the US for it. However, as a general rule Islamic terrorism was easily as prevalent in the 1970s (if not more so) than today.We must keep alert to the threat no doubt. But hysteria will get us nowhere. One must ask why Steyn only saw fit to sell his apocalyptic vision after the War on Terror began. If the threat was so clear, then why didn’t he publish his work before the tragic events of 9/11?
Thanks for the article mate: that is very intetesting!
‘You have been listening to CAIR. I think you need to get your facts straight and quit listening to Liberal and Islamo tripe.’
So set me straight with some facts about your muslim population. You’re terribly confident on numbers considering your open borders.
‘Look London is frequently refered to as Londonstan. There is a reason for that. It isn’t me saying it, it’s a lot of people. And thost firecrackers that went off over there should wake you up. No I think you are in denial. I suggested a book, I again suggest you read it.’
London does have a high asian population, I didn’t argue with Londonistan, I argued with Englandistan. 45% of Englands minorities live in London. London has a population of 7.7m people, 600,000 of whom are muslim. I suspect comparing NYC with America would produce similar results.
As for Mark Steyns isolationist fantasy, I read two thirds before it became bizarre and self-serving. No wonder he has been sacked from all his columns.
‘Thanks for the article mate: that is very intetesting!’
My pleasure - we are the thin red line here!
I feel genuine warmth for most Americans I meet, but there is nonetheless a hardcore here who much prefer to revel in international schadenfreude than to consider the reality of the situation in the Uk and US.
bttt
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The Prince of Wales, Charles, has commissioned the Westminister Cathedral to stage a new musical work based on Qur’an — it sets the 99 names of Allah to music, to be intoned over an hour and a half with choir, full orchestra and Tibetan gongs.
I feel exactly the same as you do mate. I have nothing but admiration for the US. It’s reaction to 9/11 was inspirational and it is an inspiring country.
I’m glad that most Freepers have admiration for the UK also. I think that our two countries are a great force for good in the world.
In this regard, I think that authors such as Steyn and Phillips do a great disservive to both the US and Great Britain by predicting the end of Western civilisation. We’re all made of sterner stuff than that.I’ve just got an image of them waking up in the morning and running to the window to see if, today, the world really is ending.
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