Posted on 08/29/2007 6:59:08 PM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest
Very liberal attitude. In fact, Scripture says if a heretic is corrupting your church, he must be removed.
Somehow I don’t think God would be okay with saying a church is Christian when they aren’t.
“Ana Marie Cox: ‘I Know Mitt Romney Is Not Himself Christian’”
No, he’s Mormon. Nothing wrong with that and no WAY should it keep him from the Presidency, only his experiences in government should determine that.
I am not defining for others.
The Mormons already defined themselves as “truth restored.”
What does that mean? Every other branch of Christians...to Mormons....is corrupt and not the true faith.
It is their words. I just say what they say. They don’t consider themselves Christians.
In the parable Christ himself said not to tear out the weeds until the wheat was grown because some of the wheat would accidentally be torn out with it.
He said he would use his angels to separate the wheat from the weeds when he returns.
It’s not my idea, it’s his. I don’t think Christ is a liberal, and neither am I.
Constantine called the Council on the recommendation of a group of church leaders. It is considered the first ecumenical council since the Jerusalem Council of the Apostolic Church.
About 300 bishops attended and made the decision.
Constantine was an observer only.
Constantine did not preside over the Council nor did he take part in either the deliberations or votes.
Yep! The power of men to redefind the things of God!
You got a world consense so it is settled!
If you, like 98% of the rest of the world and the writers of dictionaries, consider anyone a Christian if they worship and accept Christ as their Savior and Messiah and does their best to follow Christ’s teachings as best they understand them, then yes, Mormons are Christians.
If you are part of the 2% of narrow minded, sectarian zealots who only consider someone Christian if they agree with your own religious views, then no, we aren’t. You will find many of those kinds here on FD.
This thread has a lot of false statements about us Mormons in it. If you really want to know what we believe, all our scriptures, current lesson manuals, General Conference reports, and nearly 40 years of church published magazines are online for you to search through at lds.org. A basic overview of things is a mormon.org.
there are obvious limits to what we should do, and that was what the parable is about.
However, we have some responsibility to keep the church pure.
Agreed.
My comments with regard to this parable were in response to a quite significant number of posters who seem to have no qualms at all about saying who IS or IS NOT a Christian, almost as if they personally had been appointed by Christ to make this determination.
I haven’t seen it on this thread, although I could have missed it, but I guarantee you some Catholics don’t think Protestants are “really” Christians, while some Protestants apply similar standard to Catholics and even other Protestants.
I really believe a more humble approach expressing the distinction as one person’s opinion rather than a fact is more appropriate for Christians. Christ decides who his true followers are. Arrogating to oneself the claim to make this decision seems to me highly arrogant and almost blasphemous.
Our doctrine, clearly laid out in our scriptures and clearly taught in our classes, is that Mary conceived as a miracle (not by any physical union) and she was a virgin.
“The came the part about how could it possibly be that God was once a man and yet, God created man. When I pointed out the logical impossibility of such a position, they left very discouraged.”
Hmmmmmm, lets see. From the orthodox Christian point of view, God created everything (including man) and God was once a mortal man (Christ). I take it then you have rejected orthodox Christianity as well?
Your whole story smells like a huge pile of BS, not that I expect you to admit it.
Apparently, that 2% includes every major Christian denomination in the world. Perhaps you could name one Christian denomination that accepts Mormon baptisms as valid. I'm unaware of any.
“Apparently, that 2% includes every major Christian denomination in the world. Perhaps you could name one Christian denomination that accepts Mormon baptisms as valid. I’m unaware of any.”
The leadership of every church consists of people who have a sectarian bias for their church. Would you expect anything else? What leader of a church is going to endorse membership in another church that teaches that their church is fundamentally wrong in it’s teachings and has no power or authority of God?
At the Jerusalem Council, the Apostles debated the question of Gentile inclusion in the Church. Did they redefine God's will or did their discussions reveal His will?
The Council at Nicaea studied the issues surrounding the Arian Controversy and determined that Arius' position was inconsistent with God's revealed Word. Did they redefine God's will or did their discussions reveal His will? It is clear that you feel the former. Vast majorities (I know, a consensus argument) of scholars and others who have studied the issue feel the latter.
At the Jerusalem Council, the Apostles debated the question of Gentile inclusion in the Church. Did they redefine God's will or did their discussions reveal His will?
The Council at Nicaea studied the issues surrounding the Arian Controversy and determined that Arius' position was inconsistent with God's revealed Word.
Did they redefine God's will or did their discussions reveal His will? It is clear that you feel the former.
Vast majorities (I know, a consensus argument) of scholars and others who have studied the issue feel the latter.
This shows me you have no understanding or see a difference!
Perhaps you could name one Christian denomination that promise to Keep the Lord Jesus Christ Commandment?
Yes. Every church I have ever been associated with recognizes that the Church of Christ crosses denominational boundaries. While Christian churches don't agree on everything, they agree in the essentials (most of which Mormons would dispute).
What leader of a church is going to endorse membership in another church that teaches that their church is fundamentally wrong in it’s teachings and has no power or authority of God?
Which leads me to a question I've always wondered: Why is the LDS Church so interested in being known as a Christian church when it is in opposition to all things which an orthodox Christian church stands for? If your church has the truth, then why blur the distinctions? Why not highlight them so that people can see the truth and flock to it?
placemarker
You misrepresent the orthodox position on the Diety of Christ. Read John 1:1
I dunno, show me where the NT claims that there are countless trillions of gods, and that each mormon becomes a god of his own world after death. And that Lucifer and Jesus were brothers.
Just post chapter and verse, please. New Testament only, not the book of mormon.
It has nothing to do with “interpretation.”
Doing it in a public toilet is more disgusting than the “stranger” aspect of it...
“Every church I have ever been associated with recognizes that the Church of Christ crosses denominational boundaries.”
Yet they still have a bias for their own church and seek to promote and grow their own denomination. And again, they won’t endorse membership in another church that denies the validity of their own denomination and validate the accusation made against them.
“Why is the LDS Church so interested in being known as a Christian church when it is in opposition to all things which an orthodox Christian church stands for?”
Because ‘Christian’ and ‘orthodox Christian’ are not the same thing. Orthodox Christianity is only a subset of Christianity. Thinking otherwise is that narrow minded, sectarian view of things I spoke of. It is accurate to say we are not orthodox Christians, it is not accurate to say we are not Christians. If we asserted that your church was not Christian because they don’t agree with us, would you just accept the label?
Also, saying we oppose ‘all things’ is an exaggeration. There are difference, but there is significant common ground as well and and we have worked together with orthodox faiths in a variety of areas of common concern.
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