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ZIP Codes And Property Values Predict Obesity Rates
Science Daily ^ | 8-30-2007 | University of Washington

Posted on 08/30/2007 4:38:04 PM PDT by blam

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To: B4Ranch

Good point.


41 posted on 08/30/2007 11:46:39 PM PDT by beaversmom
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To: Mr Rogers
Ever heard of a crockpot? Toss the ingredients in, let it simmer while you are at work.

You can cook rice in a ricecooker with about 2 minutes of work.

Now you've introduced two appliances -- cheap ones, to be sure -- an element of skill, and prep time before work instead of after. I'm not saying that it's impossible, or even all that difficult, but it's something that needs to be taught, rather than just handing over a voucher or an EBT card.

If it would help bring people in, pitch it as cultural history and community pride, not as charity -- red beans and rice, gumbo, chili, black beans, menudo -- these are all rich in history as well as nutrition.

42 posted on 08/31/2007 1:14:11 AM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: SteveMcKing

As an ER physician of more then 20 years, with experience all over the country I can state that it has been my observation that the poor are in fact more likely to be obese and engage in other bad health habits ( smoking, drug use, drinking to excess ) then the well to do.

For what it’s worth.


43 posted on 08/31/2007 1:24:03 AM PDT by Kozak
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To: ReignOfError
But folks in more affluent neighborhoods have safer places to walk, jog or ride a bike, and better supermarkets, not to mention farmer's markets and specialty stores like Whole Foods or Trader Joe's. Folks in less affluent neighborhoods have to try harder.

Except that I've seen the same problem in poor people who live in rural areas too. They have no problem with access to healthy food or exercise.
44 posted on 08/31/2007 1:26:23 AM PDT by Kozak
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To: Clemenza
I am lucky enough to have a farmer's market a block away from my apartment (in the parking lot of a Firehouse no less). Bought some fresh white eggplant, white corn and heirloom tomatoes for $7.00. The same quantity would have cost me $12 at Whole Foods.

Nevertheless, Whole Foods deserves kudos

I have no gripe with Whole Foods. They offer premium goods at premium prices. You can get as good or better at farmer's markets for far less money, but it takes more time and effort. One of the trade-offs you have to make in life.

Whole Foods is at one end of the scale -- maximum money, minimum time. At the opposite end of the scale is growing your own, on your own land (if you're in the country), in your yard (suburbs) or in a community garden (city).

A friend of mine owns an organic farm in East Tennessee. The first time I had dinner at her house, I was amazed -- the veggies positively exploded with flavor. A far cry from homogenized supermarket fareor veggies that had the life canned or frozen out of them.

45 posted on 08/31/2007 1:30:44 AM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: Mr Rogers
Chicken or the egg? Do poor people have problems because they lack community spirit, or does their lack of community spirit (and self-reliance) make them poor?

Some of both, of course. The thing about a chicken/egg problem is that the classic question is "which came first?" but the inherent understanding is that it's a self-perpetuating cycle.

The New Deal/Great Society model to fight poverty substituted government programs, great in strength and resources but without a heart and soul, in place of church and community programs that were all heart but not sufficient to the task. Noble goals, good intentions, and even good results -- in the initial phases. But big bureaucracies don't adapt well to changing needs. So they continue to offer the same answers to new questions,

Public housing projects were a good solution then to the problems that existed then. People lived in shanties that had rats and flies, leaky roofs, garbage and sewage running along the streets and spreading disease. Challenge met and mastered.

But the projects were more like cattle pens than communities. The poor lived behind fences in isolated compounds -- they no longer counted the cops, shopkeepers, teachers and postmen who worked in the neighborhood among their neighbors. The approach should have changed at least twenty years ago, probably more like 30. But a big government bureaucracy is harder to steer than a train.

At least it's finally happening now. Cabrini Green, one of the great epic failures, is gone, blasted to the ground. Here in Atlanta, Techwood and East Lake Meadows -- an Orwellian name, if ever there was one, as there was nothing like a meadow about it -- is gone. Both neighborhoods are thriving.

46 posted on 08/31/2007 2:00:44 AM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: Kozak
Except that I've seen the same problem in poor people who live in rural areas too. They have no problem with access to healthy food or exercise.

Look, I'm pretty fat and pretty lazy. I'm not judging anyone. There are going to be enormously fat couch potatoes in every class and place; the folks who just don't try. I've seen 500-pound men in bib overalls and in tailored suits.

But among those who do try, it's easier for some folks than for others. That's the margin. That's the difference. For me, taking a walk around the block or a bike ride is a simple matter of getting off my flabby butt (and navigating the not-inconsiderable hills around here). For someone in a bad urban neighborhood, it's a matter of dodging muggers, gang-bangers, buses and cabs -- after they get off their flabby butts.

How much more difficult is it -- 10% harder? 20%? 30%? That would more than account for the observed differences. And you'd certainly expect the working poor to be more trim than the desk-bound middle class; Physical labor pays less than mental. When you spend your working day hauling drywall or roof shingles or timber up a 20-foot ladder, you don't worry too much about which gym to join so you can go get a workout after you leave the job.

The urban working poor, often, have the worst of both worlds. They're working a grill, busing tables, washing dishes. They have neither hard physical labor nor good pay. After a long day, they just want to drop.

47 posted on 08/31/2007 2:28:45 AM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: ReignOfError

Obesity is exacerbated more by EATING TOO MUCH than by lack of exercise.

It takes discipline to stay hungry and relish smaller meals.


48 posted on 08/31/2007 2:47:34 AM PDT by b9
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To: b9
Obesity is exacerbated more by EATING TOO MUCH than by lack of exercise.

Sorry. I'm not gonna take that blank assertion for granted. A sedentary lifestyle leads to a slower metabolic rate. More muscle mass burns more calories, even at rest, even while asleep. Lance Armstrong consumes more calories in a day than I do. And his left leg burns more of them in an hour than my whole body does in a day.

49 posted on 08/31/2007 4:19:31 AM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: blam
The study, based on analyses of responses to a telephone survey conducted in King County by the local health department and the federal Centers for Disease Control

Wow, a telephone survey! Why that makes it almost as valid as an internet poll.

50 posted on 08/31/2007 4:54:39 AM PDT by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: blam
The study, based on analyses of responses to a telephone survey conducted in King County by the local health department and the federal Centers for Disease Control,

ROFLMAO!

The great minds came to this conclusion based on a TELEPHONE survey!

(snort)

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I can imagine the conversations now-

"Ma'am, this is Lame Duck calling on behalf of the King county health department, and I'd like to ask a couple of questions. First what is your home worth? $250,000? Fine. Next question- are you fat?"

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Maybe the people in the poorer areas were just more honest about their weight.

51 posted on 08/31/2007 5:06:44 AM PDT by MamaTexan (~ I am NOT a legal entity, nor am I a ~person~ as created by law ~)
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To: ReignOfError

Well, some folks are simply unable to exercise much due to disability, but by eating less and drinking lots of water (no caffeine or alcohol), it can be proven that the old excuse of slow metabolism can be overcome.

Discipline WORKS!


52 posted on 08/31/2007 6:31:56 AM PDT by b9
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To: wagglebee
How does the left reconcile obesity with their line that poor people are starving?

They don't have to. They are non-linear thinkers, and can quite literally accept the contradiction as long as their feelings are justified.

53 posted on 08/31/2007 6:33:30 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: ReignOfError

Here’s some “compassionate conservatism” that has been shown to work for over 2000 years:

“He who shall not work, nor shall he eat”


54 posted on 08/31/2007 6:38:18 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: b9

Behaviors always have consequences, but lefties FEEL that any negative consequences must be due to discrimination and oppression by those experiencing positive consequences.

That’s why they seek to use FORCE to make those who make good decisions pay for the consequences of those making bad decisions.


55 posted on 08/31/2007 6:39:53 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Beelzebubba
Could intelligence be the causal factor for just about all of these things?

Ding-ding-ding! Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner!

56 posted on 08/31/2007 6:41:51 AM PDT by Sicon
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To: blam

Dammit, they just leaked the same factors Popeye’s Fried Chicken uses to locate new franchises!


57 posted on 08/31/2007 6:43:07 AM PDT by Battle of Tours
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Part of this could be genetics. If a guy has money, he’s less likely to have to settle for a fat chick. Hot little gold diggers might go for a fat rich guy, but their children are going to have more “skinny genes” than the fat guy had. After a few generations, those with money are less likely to be genetically predisposed to obesity.


58 posted on 08/31/2007 6:48:12 AM PDT by TKDietz
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To: Finny
“No, obsesity is a behavioral issue.

*sigh*”

Genetics are involved too. Some people are going to be fat even if they have normal diets and some can eat like pigs and never get fat.

59 posted on 08/31/2007 7:11:47 AM PDT by TKDietz
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To: MrB
Behaviors always have consequences, but lefties FEEL that any negative consequences must be due to discrimination and oppression by those experiencing positive consequences.

That's so true!
To say obesity is caused by depression is like excusing alcoholism as an illness.
As you say, BEHAVIORS ALWAYS HAVE CONSEQUENCES.

Eat less, lose more. Simple (but not easy.)

60 posted on 08/31/2007 7:17:00 AM PDT by b9
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