She's not the first. 
Posted on 09/03/2007 5:53:10 AM PDT by ThreePuttinDude
No she was not. Neither is this lady. My point is that Thatcher was chosen by her peers. The same as this lady. Boudica, Queen Victoria and Queen Elizabeth are there against your 'tradition' argument of succession..and the fact that women have been in positions of power in 'nontraditional roles' for a very long time
Yes, indeed! I shall be breathlessly waiting for news about Moira Cameron’s astounding career from now on...
She's not the first.
I see it in the content of your posts. Your belittling attitude toward women. Your suggestion that the only proper role for women in society is the “traditional” role of protected, seen and not heard, barefoot and pregnant. Your description of women who step outside that role is “lesbian.”
As I said before, you reveal much more about yourself with those views than adding clarity to this discussion. Cite my words, not your interpretations.
The guy was an absolute riot, in that great, dry, British way.
I haven’t been to the Tower of London in over 20 years. I wish I had known about the Beefeaters when I took the tour. Great tradition.
Okay. Now you read your words, and explain how they could possibly be taken for anything other than disrespect toward women. And please provide your source for the repeated accusation that she's not qualified for the job and was only selected because she's a woman. Or did you make that up?
6 "This place is magical. It's just a wonderful job and I'm very, very lucky to have it," said Cameron, 42, who spent much of her first morning on duty talking to journalists.
No, you're not lucky, Ma'am. You're just a tool on the bench of political corruption.
27 She’s in the slot because she’s a female and to imagine that no qualified male was available is ridiculous. To break 500+ years of highly visible tradition is the goal.
31 When a woman is placed into any position of public visibility for the first time - especially when it is a traditional male role - it is always a political act.
From the article: "Moira Cameron, a Warrant Officer Class 2 who joined the army at age 20, was selected over five men who also applied for the vacancy."
Her service record would naturally be combed and curried accordingly in an effort to deflect the obvious criticism, but the certain (but denied) fact remains that the selection process was pointed in one direction from the beginning. The idea that no male candidate was acceptable is, in the light of British military vigor today, quite preposterous.
Of course, you are free to believe she's a wonderful candidate as much as you are free to believe all of the Police Chief and Fire Chief slots across the country in Northern, urban, leftist strongholds are given with high frequency to women (quite often to women with a little of the bull in them...if you know what I mean).
Thanks, but I'll pass on the Soma tablets today.
33 Your reasoning makes no sense and your counter argument is a non sequitor.
This woman was an accountant for her military career. This alone, speaks volumes for a mind willing to think. Forgetting the idea of a charge given to a trusted warrior caste and a centuries old tradition of faithfulness, let’s just do what feels good right now, eh?
Erasing sexual distinctions, even in a symbolic role, is to debase meaning, tradition and culture, but, hey, by all means enjoy your brave new world!
35 The Beefeaters were a bodyguard. While much more ceremonial today, the core idea is that of seasoned, proven warriors faithful to the Crown keeping the symbols of the monarchy safe. Western democracies in decline might try to buck nature and spit on history and tradition, but common sense informs most of us that women are not suitable for combat no matter what PC whim suggests. Selecting a woman accountant for this role is just plain silly in its own right.
Equating modern politically correct machinations with the advent of a female monarch is also specious and false since the lineage of a rightful queen and absence of a male heir is pretty well cut and dried - even 500 years ago (or 4,000 years for that matter). One issue is based on right and/or lineage. The other merely denies original intent, basic human nature, cultural tradition and seeks to impose change without any right, natural basis or legitimate cultural claim. In short, apples and oranges.
The best this Beefeater (Ooooh no! Perhaps this archaic name should be changed, too, to discourage red meat consumption!) will do is to have her photo taken, her posting cited in academic references advocating more cultural dilution and, ultimately, become an attraction herself.
39 There is an important rule in life. More than 2 SD’s from the central value is errancy - nothing more. Women aren’t combat soldier material no matter how much the PC left would like to invent such mythology by endlessly parading aberrant exceptions. Next you’ll be arguing that sexual characteristics are simply cultural, too.
The big point here is not that women have held Monarchic office, because, ultimately, they essentially remain place holders for the next male heir. Additionally, affairs of governance require reins of power to transition more or less smoothly from one generation to the next. It is, therefore, critical to national survival that national leadership roles are filled.
In the case under consideration, no such equation exists. What is under dispute are the traditions that uphold and gird a cultural heritage. The fact that this is largely a symbolic role today makes it attractive for certain elements in society to target it and force change. Note, please, that this candidate was selected - meaning we don’t know the whole story. In addition to the obvious departure from the intent, tradition and purpose of the Beefeaters, she apparently is qualified only because of her 22 years as an NCO accountant.
So, we now are at a point when the a bodyguard is well served by recruiting women and accountants. You submit that the historic ascension of the role is justification via some vague equivalence. Your reasoning would persuade many, I’m sure, since it is present in one form or another in everyday news, education and mass media.
I remain, however, totally unconvinced of any of your assertions. History wasn’t fought and won by women, friend, no matter how many times one might watch movies like ‘G.I. Jane’ or read stirring accounts of women posing as pirates or soldiers in feminist literature.
41 1) The Queen defines herself as a King. No more need be said except that if a male heir in line was born, she’d be a footnote in history. Still stands today.
2) She said as much herself. If you read the articles printed recently about this hoopla (and spend less time grinding your axe) you’ll see that that was, in fact, on her mind.
3) You return to the notion that women need be denigrated in traditional society. In that, you betray and profound lack of knowledge about the true role of women and the powerful influence they already have. Of course, that’s not what you really want to discuss, is it?
45 I said as much about her qualifications. I guess you’re reading something I haven’t. What outstanding ability does she possess? Is she skilled on the trapeze? Has she taught bird watching?
What did I miss?
48 What is the meaning of is?
I'm sure her record is peachy keen and all that. This case is about PC maneuvering - nothing more and nothing less.
53 Yes, you’re right, of course, and the lesbian fire chief in Minneapolis whose been hitting on other PC fire-people is another fine example of merit. I’m sure she’s totally different from all the other rule-bending appointees and gender-role-breaking heroes we see today.
54 If so, you’re clairvoyant.
56 Please don't venture into such an ignorant and self-righteous postition. You have no idea of what kind of women are in my life and you betray your prejudice more than you know...
59 You seem to be all over the map tonight. Maggie was no sovereign, dear.
For you benefit, here’s something you may be unfamiliar with:
http://classes.kumc.edu/sah/resources/sensory_processing/images/bell_curve.gif
62 Yes, indeed! I shall be breathlessly waiting for news about Moira Cameron’s astounding career from now on...
63 font color =gray>My point is that Thatcher was chosen by her peers. The same as this lady.
The article does not give this information. In fact, the words indicate that assignment decisions are from above - not decisions generated by the warders themselves. Do you have information that indicates that selection is from within?
64 If you aren’t being self-righteous in your sick description of women, the alternative is that you actually like those kinds of women.
Please illuminate me where you see this.
If not, put a cork in it.
67 As I said before, you reveal much more about yourself with those views than adding clarity to this discussion. Cite my words, not your interpretations.
Your assumptions are another matter...
It is always the weakest position to charge a critic with class antipathy rather than to focus on the precise matter under contention. Your tactic is a page from the tactics of the left: the critic of pro-gay agendas in the schools are homophobic or secretly gay; condemning quotas and affirmative action is the work of racism; etc., etc. etc.
You’re pissing into the wind...er...well...make that squatting in a windy place.
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