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Companies Try to Retain Older Workers
LA Times ^ | 9-3-07 | Jonoathon Peterson

Posted on 09/03/2007 11:07:38 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic

Every time John Remore steps up to his workstation to form a piece of sheet metal, he brings an intangible asset to the job: 42 years of experience, dating to lessons from his father.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: business; genx; job; jobs; seniors; skill; workplace
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1 posted on 09/03/2007 11:07:40 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic

John Remore, 60, right, has been operating a drop hammer for Ace Clearwater Enterprises for four decades and is considered "invaluable" by the company's president.

2 posted on 09/03/2007 11:08:51 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic

The best workers I have in my business are over 70.The younger kids are undependable and don’t want to learn the skills I need.


3 posted on 09/03/2007 11:10:19 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic

my ex-employer got rid of me after 18 years of service. They out sourced my job{ I was warehouseman, chief driver, and installer} to save money.
Companies today demand loyality but are unwilling to give it to the people that made them big.


4 posted on 09/03/2007 11:13:34 AM PDT by Yorlik803 ( When are we going to draw a line a say"this far and no farther")
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To: afraidfortherepublic

The eduKKKrats teach children that such work is menial and worthless. Everybody must be in law or marketing. I remember when I was a kid and did poorly on a test or didn’t get my homework done the teachers would say, “You have to do better, unless you want to work in a factory like your parents”. So now we have a generation who spent years and years and thousands and thousands of dollars on college, but can’t do any work that adds value to anything.


5 posted on 09/03/2007 11:14:41 AM PDT by lesser_satan (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
The best workers I have in my business are over 70.The younger kids are undependable and don’t want to learn the skills I need.

If you don't mind my asking, what skills do you need?

I have been considering encouraging my 12-year-old son to take up an interest in modelmaking, tool-and-die work, and machining. I figure that if he can get some skills and a modicum of experience in those areas, not to mention the habits of responsibility and a strong work ethic, by the time he's 30 he'll be worth his weight in gold to somebody...

And I don't say that idly, either. He's smart enough to pursue whatever he chooses, including the toughest of universities.

6 posted on 09/03/2007 11:15:31 AM PDT by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Commonly they try to ship workers off to the rest home as soon as possible. It’s pure budget, nothing to do with work skills.


7 posted on 09/03/2007 11:15:36 AM PDT by RightWhale (It's Brecht's donkey, not mine)
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To: lesser_satan; MotleyGirl70; Cagey; Mr. Brightside; Rb ver. 2.0

ELAINE: Speaking of Jerry, his father is driving me so crazy down at Peterman’s.

GEORGE: You know what I do at the Yankees, when one of these old guys is breathing down my neck?

ELAINE: What?

GEORGE: You schedule a late meeting.

ELAINE: Huh? What does that do?

GEORGE: These old guys, they’re up at 4 a.m., by two thirty they’re wiped.


8 posted on 09/03/2007 11:16:56 AM PDT by Larry Lucido (Hunter 2008)
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To: Oberon

Let your child learn welding, pipefitting, and other utility skills and he can have his own business and be a multi-millionaire by age 30.


9 posted on 09/03/2007 11:18:12 AM PDT by RightWhale (It's Brecht's donkey, not mine)
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To: Yorlik803; AuntB; cripplecreek

“Companies today demand loyality but are unwilling to give it to the people that made them big.”

That really sums up the problem of business in America. So many people complain about illegal aliens, but then support outsourcing as free enterprise. Outsourcing foreign labor and hiring illegal aliens are opposite sides of the same coin.


10 posted on 09/03/2007 11:19:14 AM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Illegal aliens commit crimes that Americans won't commit)
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To: RightWhale
Let your child learn welding, pipefitting, and other utility skills and he can have his own business and be a multi-millionaire by age 30.

The same could be said of machine work, though I see your point. I'll have to see that he gets some experience as a businessman, too. Now's the perfect age for it.

11 posted on 09/03/2007 11:19:59 AM PDT by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: RightWhale

Hilarious but I doubt the article’s accuracy. I know that in the IT industry I often interview with GoogleWannabes now. God, it’s annoying. Their conceit is beyond words, they place great emphasis on solving a Rubik’s cube in 30 seconds but few of them can deliver eight hours of work per day.


12 posted on 09/03/2007 11:19:59 AM PDT by shimbo
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To: afraidfortherepublic; qam1
Yet there may be early glimmers of change. The oldest baby boomers are entering their 60s, raising the prospect of a vast wave of retirements. The post-World War II baby boom, moreover, was followed by a smaller "baby bust" generation.

As a result, some employers are worried that they will lose too many people -- and are pioneering policies to make the workplace more friendly to older employees.

No point hiring anyone younger....

13 posted on 09/03/2007 11:21:01 AM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (Gen X: I'll be the 'Junior Guy' until I'm 70.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Many of them are the best. But my experience is that they are the least willing to embrace new technology. This is true even if they have a computer at home. It’s almost like they see no reason to learn.


14 posted on 09/03/2007 11:21:20 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Oberon

You can get an MBA at nightschool. That and a handful of welding and gas utility certifications should be the E ticket.


15 posted on 09/03/2007 11:22:48 AM PDT by RightWhale (It's Brecht's donkey, not mine)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

bump


16 posted on 09/03/2007 11:23:44 AM PDT by Plains Drifter (If guns kill people, wouldn't there be a lot of dead people at gun shows?)
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To: Oberon

Fine soldering, machine operation, machining, etc. Just basic machine shop and electronics assembly and touch up. The new hires don’t last long, and it has been that way since we’ve owned the business (15 years). They don’t want to learn and they aren’t dependable. We just soldier on with fewer and fewer people.


17 posted on 09/03/2007 11:25:08 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic; Maelstrom
The best workers I have in my business are over 70.The younger kids are undependable and don’t want to learn the skills I need.

Of course they don't, there is no road to promotion or advancement with the top layer full.

Then when the oldsters die, your business dies. Good plan. It's a self limiting problem--the boomers won't live forever, or hopefully not much longer.

18 posted on 09/03/2007 11:25:19 AM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (Gen X: I'll be the 'Junior Guy' until I'm 70.)
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To: Oberon; leda

Start a small home business, and make your kids help.

It is phenomonal!

My son rented a ditch witch the day before he ran off to college, made $420 in one day.

Had customers lined up all over town.


19 posted on 09/03/2007 11:26:06 AM PDT by patton (Congress would lose money running a brothel.)
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To: AppyPappy
But my experience is that they are the least willing to embrace new technology.

I have to disagree with you there. I teach computer courses at 2 local colleges in both the Continuing Ed and Corporate divisions and older people make up the bulk of my classes. They know that to be valuable in the workplace they need to hone their computer skills.

20 posted on 09/03/2007 11:26:32 AM PDT by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: Larry Lucido

Thank you for that smile - LOL


21 posted on 09/03/2007 11:26:55 AM PDT by NordP (HUNTER: "The real question for Mexico--Why are your people crossing burning deserts to get away?")
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To: afraidfortherepublic
I just retired after 40 years of Making Electricity, it was fun, met a lot of real good guys and some real dumb asses. The best were people who came to work did their job and then went home.

Remember it only takes one dumb ass to disrupt a crew.

22 posted on 09/03/2007 11:27:57 AM PDT by Little Bill (Welcome to the Newly Socialist State of New Hampshire)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
The best workers I have in my business are over 70.The younger kids are undependable and don’t want to learn the skills I need.

A CFO of a large business told me the same thing the other day.

23 posted on 09/03/2007 11:28:21 AM PDT by dragnet2
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To: lesser_satan
...but can’t do any work that adds value to anything

Indeed! Nothing is more noble than taking raw materials and turning them into finished goods. I don't know why our schools can't teach that.

Funny thing happened to me one day -- I found out that a Dean of Engineering of a local University and his wife -- both educated with higher degrees -- were uncomfortable with the word "profit"! They treated it like a dirty word? I wonder how they thought they got their bread and butter (and all their fancy hobbies -- motorcycles, horses, etc) if it didn't come from the PROFIT earned by the taxpayers???

24 posted on 09/03/2007 11:29:32 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Oberon

Truck driving can be lucrative if he pursues the right tract. Some of the more technical areas of automotive repair, too.


25 posted on 09/03/2007 11:30:00 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler ("A person's a person no matter how small." -Dr. Seuss)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
The best workers I have in my business are over 70.The younger kids are undependable and don’t want to learn the skills I need.

Out of curiousity, what skills do you need and what's the nature of your business?

26 posted on 09/03/2007 11:31:47 AM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: Cogadh na Sith
the boomers won't live forever, or hopefully not much longer.

What an utterly stupid thing to say and I'm not a "boomer".

27 posted on 09/03/2007 11:33:00 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

I’m an apps engineer for a machine tool dealer in Minneapolis, and a lot of the tech colleges in the area have done away with their machine tool programs. The high school programs are a joke, because the schools spend god-only-knows how much on diversity coordinators and self-esteem-enablers and other such worthless nonsense, and the metal shop gets stuck with worn-out junk from the 1920’s. Most of the companies in my area are hiring people with high school educations and training them themselves.


28 posted on 09/03/2007 11:33:15 AM PDT by lesser_satan (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: Little Bill
Remember it only takes one dumb ass to disrupt a crew.

Truer words were never written!

29 posted on 09/03/2007 11:33:22 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: RightWhale

That’s why we need to privatize health care. If individuals got the same tax break for their health insurance premiums that employers do and could by their insurance from any state then health insurance would be truly portable and no concern of any employer.

The incentive for “ageism” in the workplace would evaporate utterly.


30 posted on 09/03/2007 11:33:26 AM PDT by sinanju
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To: 2nd amendment mama

You are dealing with people who are proactively trying to learn. I’m talking about people who just get hired. College students and the like are already very literate in that area. Most retired and older workers seem more timid in that area. Some of it is due to gaming I think. Gamers tend to be more computer-literate.


31 posted on 09/03/2007 11:35:19 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: AppyPappy

my experience is that they are the least willing to embrace new technology


My experience was the opposite. The key in my experience was the pre-install training. Once workers see the benefits of new technology they usually embrace it unless they are so pro union that they still thinks it takes 3 to change a light bulb. Two to change while one is on some sort of break. Everyone I worked with embraced new tech and a few of us joked that many of the old timers were more high tech than the youngsters and certainly more dependable.


32 posted on 09/03/2007 11:35:35 AM PDT by Joan Kerrey (Believe nothing of what you hear or read and half of what you see.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Funny thing happened to me one day -- I found out that a Dean of Engineering of a local University and his wife -- both educated with higher degrees -- were uncomfortable with the word "profit"! They treated it like a dirty word? I wonder how they thought they got their bread and butter (and all their fancy hobbies -- motorcycles, horses, etc) if it didn't come from the PROFIT earned by the taxpayers???

That's HILARIOUS.

I once had a co-worker (and this was a smart guy in most respects) tell me that he thought it was wrong that shareholders in a company should receive dividends. It was like they made money for contributing nothing, he said.

I worked very hard to disabuse him of the notion of a profit-free economy, and I'm not sure I ever did really succeed.

33 posted on 09/03/2007 11:36:24 AM PDT by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: sinanju

Sure, but isn’t happening. The river is flowing downhill and will continue to do so.


34 posted on 09/03/2007 11:36:32 AM PDT by RightWhale (It's Brecht's donkey, not mine)
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To: patton

how about your continuously expanding plow business? ;)


35 posted on 09/03/2007 11:36:38 AM PDT by leda (19yrs ... only 4,981yrs to go ;))
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To: NittanyLion

Electronics assembly and test, polymer molding, light machining, automatic machine operation. All basic manufacturing stuff.


36 posted on 09/03/2007 11:37:44 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Even though an older employee has a different scale of stamina they more than make up in skill, myself I am 50, been at my current job for 12 years and I can do more quality work in 4 hours than two younger guys in a full shift, I do not waste my movements, I know ahead of time my tool selection and because I have done it before many times over the years I am prepared for surprises as a heavy equipment mechanic. I often get surprised looks from my employers when asked when it will be done, I say its already BEEN done. However I am looking ahead to the start of my golden years and doing less physical time demanding work. In essense i wish to make more but work less, these employers WILL pay for that kind of expertise if its truly of high scale. nobody ever wants to master anything anymore they just want to be grafted with a cellphone to their head.


37 posted on 09/03/2007 11:37:49 AM PDT by Eye of Unk
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To: Oberon

Another really good field is HVAC, especially the commercial side.
Most bldgs. have computer controlled systems now so that skill is a must also.


38 posted on 09/03/2007 11:38:25 AM PDT by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

best are over 70 ? what are the younger kids..in their 50’s ?


39 posted on 09/03/2007 11:39:52 AM PDT by stylin19a (Go Bears !)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Indeed! Nothing is more noble than taking raw materials and turning them into finished goods. I don't know why our schools can't teach that.

It's all political. For some reason, the left-wing dominated academia in this country doesn't think very much of manufacturing. They think it's dirty and vulgar. I think most of the interest being generated in these fields is from the Discovery Channel and History Channel, with Myth Busters, Dirty Jobs, Modern Marvels, and Monster Garage type fare.

40 posted on 09/03/2007 11:39:59 AM PDT by lesser_satan (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: Vinnie

Where I work we use a lot of Allen-Bradley digital interfaces and industrial control systems. My son could probably use to speak their language...he’d really enjoy that, too.


41 posted on 09/03/2007 11:40:07 AM PDT by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: Vinnie

Where I work we use a lot of Allen-Bradley digital interfaces and industrial control systems. My son could probably use to speak their language...he’d really enjoy that, too.


42 posted on 09/03/2007 11:40:12 AM PDT by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Hopefully that pendulum swing is for real. Too many companies shed most of their seasoned workers to make room for cheaper new grads.


43 posted on 09/03/2007 11:41:01 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Brian J. Marotta, 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub, (1948-2007) Rest In Peace, our FRiend)
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To: patton; 2nd amendment mama; shimbo
Start a small home business, and make your kids help.

I started doing freelance web design 10 years ago. Right from the start I offered to teach any of my three daughters the craft, but not one of them was interested. I finally had to quit truck driving after 31 years because my business grew too large to be a sideline. I have tried to hire young people as subcontractors, but they aren't dependable enough. I have clients who depend on me, and I can't chance letting them down.

Mrs. Chandler is sitting at her computer now learning graphic editing, and I have her retired sister doing copy writing for me.

Older workers have a sense of what business is all about.

44 posted on 09/03/2007 11:41:06 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler ("A person's a person no matter how small." -Dr. Seuss)
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To: Graybeard58
What an utterly stupid thing to say and I'm not a "boomer".

I work in defense as an engineer, as described in this article, the only way anyone under 40 gets promoted is if someone at the top dies. I've got a family to support.

45 posted on 09/03/2007 11:41:42 AM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (Gen X: I'll be the 'Junior Guy' until I'm 70.)
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To: AppyPappy

True, but I think you’d be amazed at the number of older gamers out there.


46 posted on 09/03/2007 11:43:01 AM PDT by lesser_satan (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: afraidfortherepublic; Little Bill
Remember it only takes one dumb ass to disrupt a crew.

LOL! I joke that when I retired, they had to lay two people off!

47 posted on 09/03/2007 11:43:10 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler ("A person's a person no matter how small." -Dr. Seuss)
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To: leda

Two trucks, and the kids recognize the value... ;)


48 posted on 09/03/2007 11:43:11 AM PDT by patton (Congress would lose money running a brothel.)
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To: AppyPappy
I’m talking about people who just get hired. College students and the like are already very literate in that area.

Actually, I teach programs designed for older workers, not for normal college age students. I'm NOT on the Academic side of the colleges.

In fact, one program that I totally designed was for the local job center. It's strictly for women returning to/entering the workplace - teaching them the computer skills they'll need in an office environment. They are all upset when the class ends and quite a few have gone on to enroll in computer classes on the academic side.

49 posted on 09/03/2007 11:43:16 AM PDT by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: Oberon

I have to say that I was shocked by the “profit aversion” discovery among, otherwise, very nice people. But, the idea cropped up again just this weekend in the “Letter to the Parishioners” from our Pastor. He pointed out that the Catholic Church was Pro-Life, Pro-Fair-work, Pro-fair treatment of workers, but “not necessarily pro-profit”.

My jaw dropped when I read that (and he’s a Republican) becaue he certainly wants all of us to give HIM our profits for the support of the church.

Where did this idea come from that PROFIT is a bad thing? Making a profit is the ONLY way employers can improve the lot of the workers.


50 posted on 09/03/2007 11:43:41 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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