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To: NVDave
Trying to conserve your way out of trouble is a losing battle. You may recall the exorbitant electricity prices and calls for conservation. People spent money on converting to compact fluorescent bulbs. Fine. It saves a little bit, but the sum total of savings over multiple households is overshadowed by the addition of just one more new household. Conservation may help a given household save some money, but does little to solve the impacts on the overall civilization.

Insufficient water resources should cause a halt in new building, but the dumb asses in the construction industry won't hear of it. Neither will the politicians who want the property tax revenue. Water rights in Idaho put an effective limit on development. If you don't have sufficient water rights to cover the number of proposed new housing units, you can't get a permit to build. That's a key reason why Idaho is so sparsely populated. We have been in an extended period of drought that has put the water rights of "senior" holders ahead of "junior" holders. Parts of the "Magic Valley" area were threatened with water cutoffs earlier this year. There is constant bickering over use of surface water and subsurface water.

100 posted on 09/06/2007 8:28:58 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Myrddin

What you say is entirely correct, which is why I’m for eliminating all but very specific immigration. We cannot “conserve” our way forward in oil, electrical capacity, water, etc as long as we’re adding 1.something million new people every year to the US population.

Water rights in Idaho haven’t put a big crimp on construction; what has happened is that the water rights battle royal upstream (ie, between the farmers upstream on the Snake and the downstream users) have effectively pulled away a LOT of previous water rights in the Twin Falls and then Boise/Nampa areas. That’s what has kept development down, IMO.

The second key reason why Idaho, Northern Nevada, Utah, Wyoming, et al are sparsely populated is that many of their towns/cities are land-scarce as well as water scarce. The BLM/USFS controls so much land that buildable land is in short supply.

BTW — senior water rights always come ahead of junior water rights. That’s the very definition of the term in the law - when there is enough water to go around, then everyone gets their full allocation. When there isn’t enough water to go around, the irrigation masters are charged by the state with cutting off the junior irrigators first, then working their way up the seniority. Most all water law in the west is based on “first in use, first in right.”


101 posted on 09/06/2007 8:58:59 PM PDT by NVDave
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