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Thousands of GIs Cope With Brain Damage
AP via Newsday ^ | 3:07 PM EDT, September 9, 2007 | MARILYNN MARCHIONE

Posted on 09/09/2007 12:43:59 PM PDT by james500

The war in Iraq is not over, but one legacy is already here in this city and others across America: an epidemic of brain-damaged soldiers.

Thousands of troops have been diagnosed with traumatic brain injury, or TBI. These blast-caused head injuries are so different from the ones doctors are used to seeing from falls and car crashes that treating them is as much faith as it is science.

"I've been in the field for 20-plus years dealing with TBI. I have a very experienced staff. And they're saying to me, 'We're seeing things we've never seen before,'" said Sandy Schneider, director of Vanderbilt University's brain injury rehabilitation program.

Doctors also are realizing that symptoms overlap with post-traumatic stress disorder, and that both must be treated. Odd as it may seem, brain injury can protect against PTSD by blurring awareness of what happened.

But as memory improves, emotional problems can emerge: One of the first "graduates" of Vanderbilt's program committed suicide three weeks later.

"Of all the ones here, he would not have been the one we would have thought," Schneider said. "They called him the Michelangelo of Fort Campbell" -- a guy who planned to go to art school.

(Excerpt) Read more at newsday.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: aphatesamerica; associatedpress; brain; braininjury; enemedia; fifthcolumn; iraq; tbi; wia
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1 posted on 09/09/2007 12:44:01 PM PDT by james500
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To: james500
The MSM keeps coming out with other negative stories.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

2 posted on 09/09/2007 12:45:02 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: james500

That’s funny, nobody complained about what the Democrat Party had done to it’s members. And if they aren’t brain damaged, the troops have absolutely nothing to worry about.


3 posted on 09/09/2007 12:51:18 PM PDT by DoughtyOne ((Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking its heritage.))
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To: james500
across America: an epidemic of brain-damaged soldiers.

America is plagued by an epidemic of brainless reporters.

4 posted on 09/09/2007 12:52:27 PM PDT by SolidWood
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To: goldstategop
The War in Iraq Has Failed

The Leadership in Iraq has Failed

The Health of our Troops is Failing

My dog has fleas

I see mislead people...

5 posted on 09/09/2007 12:53:57 PM PDT by DoughtyOne ((Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking its heritage.))
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To: james500

If the moonbats and the press would shut up, maybe our troops could nail a few more of these terrorists before they set off their bombs.

It’s a tough fight when you have strict rules of engagement and may be prosecuted for killing the enemy, while the enemy has no rules of engagement at all.

If not for the traitors at AP and their friends, there would be a lot fewer roadside bombs going off.


6 posted on 09/09/2007 1:02:44 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero

Democrats are always looking for a boondoggle. I think this is one, the agent orange of this war that can only be addressed by lots of agitation and mucho money..


7 posted on 09/09/2007 1:08:49 PM PDT by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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To: DoughtyOne; SolidWood

Yeah, brain damaged troops is pretty funny, huh? You should keep in mind that it’s their sacrifice that gives you the right to make classless little jokes at their expense in the first place.


8 posted on 09/09/2007 1:15:24 PM PDT by COgamer
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To: goldstategop

So, should we just ignore it and make it go away? What if the story is accurate? There have been about 26,000 wounded out of this war, and for the first time in our military history a lot of them got their wounds through IEDs. What percentage are injuries of this type and what do we do about it are very real questions and we owe the soldiers affected some solutions.


9 posted on 09/09/2007 1:15:24 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: james500
Oh how easily history gets repeated, liberals lie and support terrorist, prolong the global ‘war’ and then itch whine moan and belly ache about the results. Do I hear Vietnam Vet suffering getting relabeled as Iraqi vets clarion call? Sadly there are plenty of people all ready in waiting for the liberal deception.

I pray dear Heavenly Father you be a comfort for these that willingly gave of themselves to be our front-line in that dessert sand protectors.

10 posted on 09/09/2007 1:17:29 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Non-Sequitur
Try about 50. They are just making things up, as usual.
11 posted on 09/09/2007 1:19:28 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: COgamer

If the reports are real, then the troops will get all the sympathy they deserve.

If you haven’t noticed over the decades, the left has found countless maladies that are supposed to be aflicting the troops, but they never seem to pan out like they claim they will.

Think about it. These are the folks who dispise the troops in the field of theater, but now we’re supposed to believe they have the troops best interest at heart. Remember also, these are the same people that flock to Walter Reed to trash our troops who are wounded.

I just don’t buy into the report. There will be enough time for that if it is real.


12 posted on 09/09/2007 1:19:43 PM PDT by DoughtyOne ((Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking its heritage.))
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To: james500
While I don’t believe this is a new phenomenon, as it has probably happened in every war since the beginnings of mankind. It is a very sad result of brave men fighting for our freedoms.
13 posted on 09/09/2007 1:32:26 PM PDT by Integrityrocks
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To: Cicero
I agree, the MSM and the Rats have a lot to do with what is going wrong in Iraq. But, President Bush has his share of the blame also. He has not lifted a finger to help those being prosecuted for killing the ENEMY.

My wife and I were on a railroad museum train trip recently and there was a group of about 15 WWII veterans on board. We got to talking about Iraq, and EVERY one of them said that they voted for Bush, not all older Americans are AARP Democrats, but thought that he was a lousy CIC.

The rules of engagement are not dictated by the MSM, but by the Bush administration. That is a fact! I will agree that the Rats are making it hard on him and fight him at every turn, but Bush is the CIC and the buck stops at his desk. Do not take me the wrong way, Kerry would have been MANY times worse.

14 posted on 09/09/2007 1:34:54 PM PDT by Timbo64
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To: james500; Admin Moderator

This article isn’t a Bush bash and shouldn’t be represented as one - unless its considered here that stories of wounded troops returning from war are ipso facto pro terrorist pieces.


15 posted on 09/09/2007 1:39:25 PM PDT by KantianBurke
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To: DoughtyOne

You don’t buy into the report?

I invite you to walk the halls of a VA hospital treating GI’s injured in Afgahnistan and Iraq.

Just because we don’t like it- doesn’t mean it’s not real.

It’s real, and disdain for the media doesn’t diminish the FACT that thousands of injured GI’s are permanently damaged.

It’s a hell of a price. Is it worth it? Yes. I know this because I’ve talked with many of them- and THEY say it’s worth it. I let them have the last word on the subject and I believe them because it is THEY that are paying- not me and not you.


16 posted on 09/09/2007 1:43:33 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: KantianBurke

Since when is the AP and Newsday on the side of our troops?

Honestly folks, you don’t see ulterior motive here?

Is there an epidemic? You tell us since you’re the expert.


17 posted on 09/09/2007 1:47:38 PM PDT by DoughtyOne ((Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking its heritage.))
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To: SE Mom

So you walk up to the troops you visit and ask them what their diagnosis is? Really? That wouldn’t be my tac, but perhaps you do have some insight on this.

Tell me, is there an epidemic? This whole report wreaks of disinformation to me.

I haven’t seen a report out of AP or Newsday for years that was favorable to our troops. But now, this is has to be.

IMO, this is just playing to the leberals who are looking for anything to point to, in order to force a pull out now.

I do respect our troops. I do value their service and I do value their losses. But I’ll be darned if I’m going to allow them to be fodder for the left, unless there’s irrefutable proof that the malady does exist, and there is an epidemic (huge ammount of injuries) across the board, as inimated in this article.

If it’s real, report it. If it’s not, then report it accurately at least. That’s all I ask.


18 posted on 09/09/2007 1:52:45 PM PDT by DoughtyOne ((Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking its heritage.))
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To: DoughtyOne

Ditto.


19 posted on 09/09/2007 1:55:42 PM PDT by SolidWood
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To: ClaireSolt
...the agent orange of this war that can only be addressed by lots of agitation and mucho money.

Have you ever seen the reaction when you tell the Agent Orange activists that the members of Operation Ranch Hand (who sprayed the stuff from the aircraft) drank it as part of an initiation for new crew members?

IIRC it was about 1 Dixie cup full mixed with booze. Some of them got a mild case of chloracne but none had any long term effects.

20 posted on 09/09/2007 1:56:21 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: DoughtyOne

Oh for Pete sakes- of course I don’t walk up to troops in the VA hospital and ask them their diagnosis. Since my son spent time in a few hospitals since his return, I’ve spent some time in them as well. I’m speaking from what I’ve seen and observed- not secondhand.

I don’t give a good damn what the reporters say- I read carefully what the doctors reported.

Minimizing reality doesn’t prepare us very well to deal with it.


21 posted on 09/09/2007 1:59:02 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: KantianBurke

I posted this article primarily because it’s a very important topic: the health and welfare of our wounded warriors. My secondary reason was because the reference to Michelangelo was gratuitous. Not a big deal. Certainly not enough to go tell the teacher about.


22 posted on 09/09/2007 2:05:46 PM PDT by james500
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To: SE Mom
SE Mom, you are right own! Some people hate the MSM so much that they think that everything they report is false and is not to be believed. You are right, it is real.

My oldest brother is a hospital administrator and would back you up 100%. Several of his staff, including his best friend who is a trauma surgeon, are in the Reserves and have been to Iraq.

Many men that would have died in past wars due to brain trauma now live. MANY troops are coming home with horrible injuries and it is our duty to care for them.

To believe any other way is to have your head in the sand!

23 posted on 09/09/2007 2:07:08 PM PDT by Timbo64
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To: DoughtyOne

So essentially the article is a total fabrication and should be ignored? Is that what you’re arguing? Or is ANY news thats NOT rubber stamped by the DOD therefore suspect?

These troops need help and care. There’s nothing treasonable about reporting that. And quite frankly its sickening that there are hyper-partisans who would rather all info be bottled up, even when it impacts those soldiers who have suffered greviously, if it distracts from the latest talking point.


24 posted on 09/09/2007 2:16:24 PM PDT by KantianBurke
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To: DoughtyOne

If you don’t think this is real, buster, you should try visiting the National Naval Medical Center in Bethesda, where our Marines are treated. You’d see there that brain damage is real enough. Why on earth would you think troops at any time, in any war, could get through a war without suffering significant brain injuries? If their bodies can be injured by explosions, what illogic makes you suppose their brains would not be harmed?


25 posted on 09/09/2007 2:17:02 PM PDT by Fairview ( Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.)
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To: Timbo64

Absolutely. You make sound points.

And..it is our DUTY to care for them.


26 posted on 09/09/2007 2:33:56 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: KantianBurke
"I've been in the field for 20-plus years dealing with TBI. I have a very experienced staff. And they're saying to me, 'We're seeing things we've never seen before,'" said Sandy Schneider, director of Vanderbilt University's brain injury rehabilitation program.

I think what people are objecting to is the idea that the writer is saying that these sort of injuries have never happened before, coupled with a few stories that have appeared that outright called all veterans ticking time bombs.

Personally, I think that this sort of injury has been common since at least WWI. Perhaps Dr. Schneider has not yet researched deeply enough into the records from WW 2 and Vietnam. There must be a few doctors left who treated such injuries to Vietnam Vets.

27 posted on 09/09/2007 2:45:55 PM PDT by jimtorr
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To: Timbo64
but Bush is the CIC and the buck stops at his desk. Do not take me the wrong way, Kerry would have been MANY times worse.

Speaking of "bucks"..."The buck stops here" Harry Truman did the lousy job that you would expect of a modern-day Democratic CIC. Bush has done a far better job.

  1. In 1949 Truman withdrew our troops from a young (freed in 1945) and unstable S. Korea (Just as the Democrats want to do in Iraq.)
  2. In 1950, as predicted by many, N. Korea invaded S. Korea
  3. In 1950 Truman sent troops back to Korea to re-win S. Korea's freedom.
  4. Some folks could say Truman lied when he said he was sending troops to fight a "police action" against "bandits," because...
  5. In the next 30 months of Truman's presidency (July,1950-Jan, 1953) 30,000 Americans died in Korea (Ten times as many troops died per month in Korea as have died in Iraq per month)
  6. In January, 1951, six months into the Korean War, the severest wartime censorship in memory was imposed
  7. The military draft was pulling in young men who had never expressed any interest in joing the military.
Truman's Korean war legacy was
An average of 1,000 deaths per month.
Severe censorship.
A military draft.

None of those things are happening under Bush.

28 posted on 09/09/2007 2:47:29 PM PDT by syriacus (If the US troops had remained in S. Korea in 1949, there would have been no Korean War (1950-53))
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To: james500

may He carry them with Him.


29 posted on 09/09/2007 2:49:06 PM PDT by ripley
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To: JasonC
Try about 50. They are just making things up, as usual.

They are? Or you are?

30 posted on 09/09/2007 3:03:22 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: james500

After reading the article, not much of substance is provided.

I would think there would have at least some comparative statistics since WWI of those suffereing from ‘shell-shock’, which isn’t that rare. I suspect worldwide, there are far greater numbers of cases of such injuries in the mid-East and Africa and SE Asia.

It appears that all that is being reported is some abnormal behavior, with little to substantiate analysis, if any.


31 posted on 09/09/2007 3:06:04 PM PDT by Cvengr (The violence of evil is met with the violence of righteousness, justice, love and grace.)
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To: syriacus

Your points are well taken. I never said that Truman was a great CIC.

At least Truman had the guts to nuke japan, twice, to end the war. If Bush had that option, would he use it?

I do know one thing however, I would take a clone of Harry Truman over 100% of the current Democrats and 50% of the current Republicans in Washington.


32 posted on 09/09/2007 3:06:51 PM PDT by Timbo64
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To: SE Mom

Thanks for your additional comments. I do think it’s great you vist the V.A. Good for you.


33 posted on 09/09/2007 3:13:19 PM PDT by DoughtyOne ((Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking its heritage.))
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To: james500

This may explain those “Anti-war vets” the MSM keeps showing on TV. Doesn’t Kos claim to be a vet? His brain seems very damaged.


34 posted on 09/09/2007 3:14:51 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: Fairview
You’d see there that brain damage is real enough. Why on earth would you think troops at any time, in any war, could get through a war without suffering significant brain injuries?

Precisely. Thank you. This is the natural offshoot of war. It is neither an epidemic or something new. And so we're back to the AP and it's fellow rag, doing what they always do. This is the most terrible war ever and it's all Bush's fault. You don't get that? What was the reference to Michelangelo for, just a report of the facts? No! It was meant to play on people.

Dang folks, you think I'm against the troops, but that AP is right there for them. Wow.

35 posted on 09/09/2007 3:20:08 PM PDT by DoughtyOne ((Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking its heritage.))
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To: Fairview
You’d see there that brain damage is real enough. Why on earth would you think troops at any time, in any war, could get through a war without suffering significant brain injuries?

Precisely. Thank you. This is the natural offshoot of war. It is neither an epidemic or something new. And so we're back to the AP and it's fellow rag, doing what they always do. This is the most terrible war ever and it's all Bush's fault. You don't get that? What was the reference to Michelangelo for, just a report of the facts? No! It was meant to play on people.

Dang folks, you think I'm against the troops, but that AP is right there for them. Wow.

36 posted on 09/09/2007 3:24:37 PM PDT by DoughtyOne ((Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking its heritage.))
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To: Timbo64
Many men that would have died in past wars due to brain trauma now live. MANY troops are coming home with horrible injuries and it is our duty to care for them.

I've seen a couple examples from the media. Pretty gruesome.. and some people who think the war against Islamists is not serious should re-read those stories.

One thing is like you said some of those injuries the person would have died in previous wars.. even in Vietnam. I was wondering if in some cases the medical teams should have let the soldiers die. And I'm not talking about minor brain damage.. or anything the person might recover from with existing medical care.

37 posted on 09/09/2007 3:34:19 PM PDT by ran20
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To: KantianBurke
When you've had a chance to calm down, I'd like you to think about this again. When you have, please answer the following questions related to your post.

So essentially the article is a total fabrication and should be ignored? Is that what you’re arguing? Or is ANY news thats NOT rubber stamped by the DOD therefore suspect?

1. Before this report, had you ever heard of the A.P.?
2. Before this report, have you ever seen the A.P. print a news flash that was favorable to our troops?
3. Just how many reports of good things our troops are doing in Iraq, have you seen?
4. Which news source do you think is more reliable, A.P. or the DOD, since you brought the DOD up?

These troops need help and care. There’s nothing treasonable about reporting that.

5. Where did you see me say the A.P. had done anything treasonable?
6. Where did you see me say these troups shouldn't get care?

And quite frankly its sickening that there are hyper-partisans who would rather all info be bottled up, even when it impacts those soldiers who have suffered greviously, if it distracts from the latest talking point.

7. Where did I say I thought any information should be bottled up?
8. Do you think the current injuries to our troops are worse than the injuries in WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam or the Gulf War?
9. Do you agree that was one of the points in the article?
10. What particular value did the reference to Michelangelo add to the facts in this article?
11. Do you or do you not think this may have been just a wee bit over the top, and a clear propaganda piece?

Thanks in advance.

38 posted on 09/09/2007 3:40:04 PM PDT by DoughtyOne ((Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking its heritage.))
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To: Non-Sequitur

I do not know the true extent of this sort of injury, but in the past tens of thousands of our troops have been subjected to blast forces, and managed to do fine after the war.
Consider WWI. You’d think that the entire continent of europe would have wandered off in a daze after all of the pounding hundreds of thousands of their men took from artillery.


39 posted on 09/09/2007 3:43:46 PM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: DoughtyOne
Dang folks, you think I'm against the troops, but that AP is right there for them.

I don't think you're against the troops. I recognize your dislike for the AP and the majority of the drive by media.

But this is a touchy subject, and people are just being protective of our troops.

I think we can all agree that the media sucks, and will take this,and any other subject,and turn it into am opportunity to bash Bush.

And there is also no doubt that this war has produced many injuries, many of them from IED's.

I've been to my local VA recently (Lebanon, PA) and there are soldiers I have met who have returned from Iraq and Afghanistan who are injured, but every one of them have been proud to have served, and proud of their country.

God bless all of them!

40 posted on 09/09/2007 3:52:39 PM PDT by airborne (Proud to be a conservative! Proud to support Duncan Hunter for President!)
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To: Scotsman will be Free

Exactly. And I would wager that after years of posting here, some might actually ‘get it’, that we are certainly not against our troops in any way shape or form. Why anyone would come to that conclusion just baffles me.


41 posted on 09/09/2007 3:55:01 PM PDT by DoughtyOne ((Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking its heritage.))
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To: airborne

After posting here for ten years, I would ask anyone to find one single post where I have taken an anti-troop stance period. Therefore, why would anyone jump to the illogical conclusion that this was the first instance?

Honestly, I guess I give some folks too much credit.


42 posted on 09/09/2007 3:57:34 PM PDT by DoughtyOne ((Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking its heritage.))
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To: COgamer

I agree, “brain damage” is insulting due to its connotations. I would prefer the term “brain injuries” as it is more accurate and descriptive.

These guys will have a tough time - brain injuries are not externally visible and can lead to severe changes in personality and behaviour, which people often don’t have much compassion for due to its hidden nature. And the changes in personality and behaviour can be difficult for friends and loved ones to deal with, as often the sufferer can seem like a completely different person.


43 posted on 09/09/2007 3:58:32 PM PDT by -YYZ- (Strong like bull, smart like ox.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Don’t let it get to you.

IMHO, your heart’s in the right place.


44 posted on 09/09/2007 4:03:51 PM PDT by airborne (Proud to be a conservative! Proud to support Duncan Hunter for President!)
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To: airborne

Thanks. You don’t use some of the terminology and catch phrases used in this article, if you’re sole goal is to post an informative article on the plight of our troops. At least that’s the way I see it.

Take care.


45 posted on 09/09/2007 4:15:01 PM PDT by DoughtyOne ((Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking its heritage.))
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To: DoughtyOne

Your position seems to be “news story about injured troops bad. MUST be designed to hurt Bush. Dismiss as propoganda.” This is trashy and inapporpriate for several reasons the least of which is that you’re preventing the public from understanding what the injured troops are dealing with and facing once they’re back stateside. In short, you seem to express support for the troops only when its politically convienent.

As for your “questions”

1. Yes
2. Irrelevent
3. Only silly DOD press releases that orgasim over the latest tree planted or school built (ignoring how 5 months later its fallen apart due to disrepair on the Iraqis part or destroyed by a $100 RPG)which IMHO and as I’ve stated several times are just as harmful to our war effort as media bias.
4. Neither. Both have agendas.
5. You’re claiming they’re anti-American which is the same thing
6. You’d prefer to see the story swept under the rug with the inevitable consequences that they would NOT receive the attention and care they’ve earned. The disgrace at Walter Reed bears out that lighting a fire thanks to the press helps the troops.
7. See #6
8. Irrelevent - those returning from Iraq and Afghanistan deserve the best care. Period.
9. Again, irrelevent for our discussion
10. Put’s a name to the statistics. Nothing sinister about that.
11. Not at all. I was unaware as to the severity of brain injuries that our troops are facing once back in the US. But then again, I’m not a bot partisan.


46 posted on 09/09/2007 4:22:01 PM PDT by KantianBurke
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To: KantianBurke

I note that everything that reveals the article for the propaganda it was, is irrelevent to you. So much for honest discussion on the matter. This tells me all I cared to know.


47 posted on 09/09/2007 4:30:08 PM PDT by DoughtyOne ((Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking its heritage.))
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To: DoughtyOne

ROTFLMAO! What a response. Sorry to have pointed out your conditional support of our troops. Have a nice day.


48 posted on 09/09/2007 4:41:33 PM PDT by KantianBurke
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To: SE Mom
I think what makes me mad is the fact that all these wonderful soldiers are going out putting themselves on the line so some puke reporter with their flacid ass and their even more flacid morality can sit and write articles that ENCOURAGE the enemy to go out and throw more bombs...and then the Flacid Reporter gets to write reports like this. I think the sensitivity is such that whenever it is reported its done with a certain amount of glee and they (and the rest of the Leftards) can gloat and say "see how bad it is for our troops? Bring them home!" Its such a perverted world in the field of journalism now, that real problems such as what you've seen end up getting short shrift.

God bless our men and women. This American loves them. Please tell them thank you!!!

49 posted on 09/09/2007 4:48:56 PM PDT by Alkhin (star dust contemplating star dust)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Did you read the article? "damage rarely shows up on CAT scans or other tests", "most cases are mild and disappear within a year", "overlaps with stress disorders", main symptoms are headache or being distracted...

They are trying to medicalize and propagandize (and probably also sue over) non-existent maladies that amount to GIs occasionally spacing out as they recall nasty episodes, and civilian life seems dreamy to fake.

There is nothing wrong with said men, but there is definitely something wrong with the quacks writing this article - and anyone whose BS meter doesn't peg to 10 when they read it.

50 posted on 09/09/2007 4:55:26 PM PDT by JasonC
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