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1 posted on 09/10/2007 5:46:56 AM PDT by Hydroshock
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To: Gabz

Ping


2 posted on 09/10/2007 5:48:50 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Hydroshock

Well, technically, it’s presonal responsibility. If you’re full of unhealthy habits, don’t expect the rest of us to pay for your unhealthy lifestyle. But it should be a choice. You wanna smoke, no problem, pay extra in health insurance. Wanna eat steak and mashed potatoes all the time and have high cholesterol (like myself), expect to pay more for health care.

Simple economics.


3 posted on 09/10/2007 5:51:54 AM PDT by farlander (Try not to wear milk bone underwear - it's a dog eat dog financial world)
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To: Hydroshock

I wonder if MSNBC would have written such a glowing review if employers were viewing homosexual behavior as a health risk and penalizing employees accordingly.


4 posted on 09/10/2007 5:54:16 AM PDT by vikingd00d
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To: Hydroshock

Further evidence (if any were needed) that we need the tax break for insurance premiums and health costs transferred from employers to individuals.

It would solve a whole helluva lot of problems right there. Take a ball and chain off american business, create real health insurance “portability,” and eliminate most—if not all—incentive towards “ageism” in the workplace and snooping into employee health histories.

Now all we need are some politicians (beginning with our current president) to show some guts and determination and start flogging this to the public at every opportunity.


5 posted on 09/10/2007 5:54:43 AM PDT by sinanju
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To: Hydroshock
When it comes to things that can be controlled by the employee (smoking being the most obvious) I don't have a problem with them paying higher premiums.

If you live in a hurricane zone (e.g.,Florida) you pay higher homeowner's insurance premiums.If you're a skydiver you pay higher life insurance premiums.So if you're a smoker....

6 posted on 09/10/2007 5:55:02 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If martyrdom is so cool,why does Osama Obama go to such great lengths to avoid it?)
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To: Hydroshock

This strikes at the heart of the problem of increasing health costs in the United States.


8 posted on 09/10/2007 6:00:56 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Hydroshock

“Don’t smoke. That’s all. Just don’t smoke.”
-—Yul Brynner


9 posted on 09/10/2007 6:01:23 AM PDT by gcruse (...now I have to feed the dog as if nothing has happened.)
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To: Hydroshock

Another reason to de-link insurance and employment.


10 posted on 09/10/2007 6:01:34 AM PDT by Tax-chick (I dreamed that Horatio Hornblower was a Death Eater.)
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To: Hydroshock
Sigh.

I can't say as I particularly like this. But, I understand the logic behind it.

11 posted on 09/10/2007 6:03:25 AM PDT by wbill
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To: Hydroshock
In 2009 the company will start reducing pay for employees in its health plan by $10 per paycheck if their BMI — a measurement of body fat through a height and weight ratio — is in the obese range of more than 29.9. The deduction will be $5 per check if they don’t meet required cholesterol, blood pressure or blood glucose measurements. Workers will be required to complete an annual health risk assessment and can appeal to have their fees dropped if they show improvement.

Unreal.

12 posted on 09/10/2007 6:05:49 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Hydroshock

My simple question is who is to judge these things?

I don’t like anything that’s left to the subjective whim of any group.

On the flip side, there are plenty of “Health Conscious” people who are at the doctor’s all the time, and then there are people like me who only go to the doctor when it’s completely needed.

But I smoke, so I should pay greater premiums even though my benefits use is far less than most?

This is why I don’t like ideas like this, if it was based on actual use, that would be a different story.

Just like car insurance, don’t increase a persons premiums until they show that they make excessive use of it.


18 posted on 09/10/2007 6:47:26 AM PDT by gjones77
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Skiers, Rock Climbers, Off-Roaders, Shooters, and all the rest: Get ready.

If your recreational habits extend farther than time in the gym (Mandatory time in the gym) or sedate walking and bird watching (in approved safe areas), look out, that list will get longer...

28 posted on 09/10/2007 7:15:42 AM PDT by kAcknor (Don't flatter yourself.... It is a gun in my pocket.)
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To: Hydroshock

I can see lawsuits demanding what the justification for these seemingly arbitrary surcharges is. If they can’t substantiate it then its discrimination.


30 posted on 09/10/2007 7:17:21 AM PDT by Ford4000
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To: Hydroshock

Well, all I have to say is that if they pull this with my health insurance it’s time to talk to a lawyer regarding health threats of homosexuality versus smoking.


37 posted on 09/10/2007 8:43:41 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (“Jesus Saves. Moses Delivers. Cthulu Reposesses...”)
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To: Hydroshock

The solution is to sever the link between employment and benefits.

Pay me my whole salary in cash and let me buy my healthcare and fund my retirement on pre-tax dollars.


40 posted on 09/10/2007 8:53:22 AM PDT by NeoCaveman (To libs killing a windfarm is bad, letting a gal die in your Oldsmobile is not so bad)
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To: Hydroshock

All the folks in this thread taking the “if you don’t want to pay more, don’t smoke, eat, etc.” attitude will be shocked to find how quickly charging people more for unhealthy habits will bring about national socialized health care.


41 posted on 09/10/2007 9:04:38 AM PDT by mysterio
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