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Re: 37

Thanks for the post/info.
'Taqiyya' is weird/hazy concept to a non-muslim (i.e., 'me'). I can't find it in the koran, but I believe reference is made to it in the hadiths.
Basically it states 'its OK for the islamic to lie for the cause'.
This creates a brutal Catch-22 situation for the muslim-in-name-only who wants to 'get along'.
'Your religion says its 'ok to lie' (which being a religion belonging to the 'father of lies' - I guess that is understandable) - therefore how do I know you aren't lying when you say you want to live with us in peace?'

Basically, people need to flee this religion. Any religion that encourages murder, mayhem, and lying to protect the 'honor' of its deity needs to really consider what deity is actually being worshiped...

Having worked with and employed a few members of this religion, there is a distinct weakness towards the truth as an external representation. More importantly, there is an issue with respect to keeping the truth internally. If it is easy to lie to others, it is just as easy to lie to their family and to themselves. Thus, the truth is mostly a lie that is yet undiscovered.

We have the spectacle of Baghdad Bob shouting “lies, all lies!” to the press when asked about the US invasion while the muzzle of a US tank can be seen in the corner of the screen. We find that so funny because of the blind, reflexive, denial that was so blatantly contrary to easy facts, yet that performance was almost stereotypical of the approach to truth in that society, a society that gets its ongoing values from Islam.

A business associate who came from that part of the world said he had to move to the West to do business because it was so difficult to find executive-level people who would take responsibility for their actions. I have seen this with my own eyes as well. If a bad result comes from a decision, it is not the person’s fault for lack of planning or poor execution, it is just excused as being “Allah’s will” that failure resulted, and society accepts that reason.