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To: Ancesthntr

Remember that in 15th century England the punishment for treason was to hang a man, cut him down while still alive, disembowel him, and then drag him in four pieces with horses or cut him in 4 pieces. “Hung, drawn, and quartered.” In France they boiled traitors. You do acknowledge that it was a brutal age compared to our own. That’s that.

Torquemada was appointed to reform the inquisition which was being used in unjust ways in the view of the Papacy. He actually reduced punishments.

Remember also that there is no question at all that the Jews in Spain worked with the Muslim conquerors and aided in the wars against Christians.

I don’t even think we can jokingly say that the Jews backed the wrong horse, since the Jewish population had 7 centuries of special privileges under the Muslim masters.


17 posted on 09/10/2007 5:22:39 PM PDT by Greg F (Duncan Hunter is a good man.)
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To: Greg F
ALL of the Jews worked with the Muslims - even children?

As for "7 centuries of special privileges under the Muslim masters" - give me a break. Christians were, for the Moslems, THE enemy. The way they looked at things then (and even most of them today-the total fanatics notwithstanding) was that at least the Jews worshipped the same Deity - whereas, in their view, the Christians are idolators. Oh, and the Jews were a small minority with no military forces and no hope/desire to fight the Moslems for that reason. So OF COURSE the Jews had "special" privileges - "special" being no forced conversions, as long as they acted like proper Dhimmis, paid their Dhimmi tax, etc. Maybe you refer to the "Court Jews," those exceedingly few Jews who were advisors, physicians or merchants who acted on behalf of the Moslem leadership. Well, OF COURSE they had special privileges - they served a purpose, and would have lost those privileges the moment they stopped doing so. Such is the case in virtually every society, no matter who the minority and majority parties are.

7 centuries - you kind of get the feeling if things have been a certain way for quite a while that they're going to be that way FOREVER. After a while, the Moslems ceased being "the conquerors" and just became "the ruling class" (which for Jews is always someone else). How can you blame Jews living in Spain then for cooperating with the ruling class, when failure to do so would have entailed grievous penalties? Oh, and lest we forget, many Christians were less than kind to the Jews well before the Moslems conquered Spain - so why on Earth would the Jews of that time and place have resisted cooperation with a government that at least allowed them to keep their religion and let them live and work in whatever jobs they wanted to in order to feed their families.

Should American Jews cease to work with the largely white power structure, or refuse to aid the US in wars? After all, the white man is a conqueror of the continent from the Indians.

Please, stop excusing the Inquisition. You didn't do it, nor did the modern Church, and no one is blaming you or it for the heinous crimes committed over hundreds of years - just as modern day Turks didn't carry out the genocide of the Armenians during WW1 - so why are you (or the Turks) so sensitive about it?

22 posted on 09/11/2007 7:47:13 AM PDT by Ancesthntr
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