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Just remember the First Law of Toxicology:

The dose makes the poison.

Or, an older version:

"The right dose differentiates a poison and a remedy." Paracelsus.

1 posted on 09/10/2007 6:26:48 PM PDT by Pharmboy
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To: Pharmboy

All Vitamin C now comes from China! No thanks!


2 posted on 09/10/2007 6:29:28 PM PDT by acoulterfan
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To: aculeus; Coleus; wagglebee; neverdem; thefactor; ELS; martin_fierro; Doctor Raoul; Jim Robinson; ...

random ping—this is NOT a ping list


3 posted on 09/10/2007 6:30:13 PM PDT by Pharmboy ("Liberals love humanity but hate people" Dick Armey)
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To: Pharmboy

Toxicology of drugs and vitamins are two different things.


5 posted on 09/10/2007 6:36:06 PM PDT by Balata
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Dang said more research is needed and cautioned against taking high doses of vitamin C based on these findings.

I've read this advice for 30 years now. There's never enough research for vitamins. If statins had similar results, there would be an advertising push starting tomorrow.

6 posted on 09/10/2007 6:37:19 PM PDT by aimhigh
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ping


7 posted on 09/10/2007 6:37:23 PM PDT by pandoraou812 ( zero tolerance to the will of Allah ...... dilligaf? with an efg.....)
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To: Pharmboy

“Another antioxidant, N-acetylcysteine, also limited tumor growth in the mice, the researchers said.”

Where can I get me some N-acetylcysteine?


8 posted on 09/10/2007 6:38:51 PM PDT by Kenny500c
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The NIH has been (essentially) endorsing very high IV doses of Vitamin C in cancer cases for two or three years now. They published their findings in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. I wonder where Dang fits in.
9 posted on 09/10/2007 6:39:16 PM PDT by the_doc
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To: Pharmboy

Vitamin C is extraordinarily safe.

So go ahead, folks, load up! Take ten grams or so...

after you spend a couple hours on the crapper, you won’t do it again!

I’m usually in for 4-5 grams a day.


11 posted on 09/10/2007 6:42:44 PM PDT by djf (Send Fred some bread! Not a whole loaf, a slice or two will do!)
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This is not as simple as it sounds, because ‘a’ may not equal ‘a’. That is, some years ago when they were studying bioflavanoids for their anti-cancer effects, they discovered that for unknown reasons, while they worked in natural substances, when removed from those natural substances as pure bioflavanoids, they didn’t work.

There is a very good chance that what is having the beneficial effect comes not from the chemical being studied, but from a different chemical, or even a complex organic, like a protein, present in tiny amounts with the main chemical.

It may work in the body, but not in cancer cells in a petri dish, because it effects another part of the body that in turn acts upon the cancer cells.

This is really complicated stuff.


14 posted on 09/10/2007 7:17:27 PM PDT by Popocatapetl
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I like Ester C.


17 posted on 09/10/2007 7:23:51 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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The Late Dr. Robert Atkins, the Atkins Diet creator, did extensive research into this years before he died. His research showed the same.


18 posted on 09/10/2007 7:31:07 PM PDT by elizabetty (The job of POTUS is not about ideology alone; it is about COMPETENCE to do the job WELL.)
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I just had a Fuzzy Navel (Vodka and orange juice)

I'M CURED!!

20 posted on 09/10/2007 7:41:08 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Boycott FReeper Petronski's Wyler's! Insist on Kool-Aid! The best refreshment for Paulistinians)
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Pauliong was a smart guy and will probably be upheld in the long run.


21 posted on 09/10/2007 7:44:07 PM PDT by pierstroll
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Linus Pauling argued in the 1970s that vitamin C, also called ascorbic acid, could ward off cancer, but the notion has proved contentious.

No doubt. If Pauling's claims work and large numbers of people started taking his dosages, a few dollars per month for Vitamin C would upset more than a few applecarts.
24 posted on 09/10/2007 7:54:14 PM PDT by caveat emptor
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Since mom recently died of pancretic cancer, I’ve been adding Vitamin D to my diet:

Vitamin D May Cut Pancreatic Cancer

Adults With Recommended Intake of Vitamin D Had Lower Pancreatic Cancer Risk, Study Shows By Jennifer Warner
WebMD Medical News Reviewed By Louise Chang, MD
on Tuesday, September 12, 2006

Sept. 12, 2006 — Getting the recommended intake of vitamin D from diet, supplements, or even the sun may cut your risk of pancreatic cancer.

The results of two large, long-term surveys show that adults who got 300 IU to 449 IU (international units) per day had a 43% lower risk of pancreatic cancercancer. The recommended intake of vitamin D for adults aged 51-70 is 400 IU per day.

Researchers say the findings suggest that vitamin D, which is created in the skin upon exposure to ultraviolet sunlight, and found in fortified dairy products and other food sources, may play an important role in preventing pancreatic cancer. The cancer is the fourth leading cause of cancer death in the U.S.

“Because there is no effective screening for pancreatic cancer, identifying controllable risk factors for the disease is essential for developing strategies that can prevent cancer,” researcher Halcyon Skinner, PhD, of the department of preventive medicine at Northwestern University in Chicago, says in a news release.

“Vitamin D has shown strong potential for preventing and treating prostate cancerprostate cancer, and areas with greater sunlight exposure have lower incidence and mortality for prostate, breast, and colon cancers, leading us to investigate a role for vitamin D in pancreatic cancer risk,” says Skinner.

“Few studies have examined this association, and we did observe a reduced risk for pancreatic cancer with higher intake of vitamin D,” he says.

Vitamin D May Fight Pancreatic Cancer

In the study, researchers analyzed data on vitamin D intake and pancreatic cancer risk among the more than 120,000 men (aged 40 to 75) and women (38 to 65) who participated in the Health Professionals Follow-Up and Nurses’ Health studies.

Between the two surveys, 365 cases of pancreatic cancer were reported.

The Northwestern study showed people who consumed in the range of 300 IU to 449 IU per day of vitamin D daily had a 43% lower risk of pancreatic cancer than those with less than 150 IU per day.

Getting more than the daily RDA (600 IU per day or greater) had 41% lower risk than those who consumed less than 150 IU per day.

Even participants who consumed only 150 IU to 299 IU per day had a 22% lower risk than those with less than 150 IU per day.

The analysis took into account factors such as smoking history, multivitamin use, age, and body mass index (BMI)body mass index (BMI).

Researchers also examined the association between pancreatic cancer and daily intake of calcium and vitamin A, but found no link.

“In concert with laboratory results suggesting antitumor effects of vitamin D, our results point to a possible role for vitamin D in the prevention and possible reduction in mortality of pancreatic cancer.

“Since no other environmental or dietary factor showed this risk relationship, more study of vitamin D’s role is warranted,” says Skinner.


38 posted on 09/10/2007 10:13:38 PM PDT by peggybac (Tolerance is the virtue of believing in nothing)
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Thanks. I’ll retrieve my C jar from the back of the closet ... where I placed it a few years ago because of a report that it caused ... (Something not good. No longer remembering.)


41 posted on 09/11/2007 4:07:51 AM PDT by aculeus
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Henry Scowcroft, senior information officer at Cancer Research UK, said despite the findings, the “overwhelming” evidence still pointed to vitamin C not being an effective treatment.

“This work is at a very early stage. There are many substances that have been shown to kill cancer cells in the lab, but failed to fulfill that promise when tested in people.

“But we do know that eating a healthy, balanced diet, including plenty of fresh fruit and vegetables, is an effective way to reduce the risk of getting cancer in the first place.”


51 posted on 09/11/2007 12:48:50 PM PDT by ari-freedom (I am for traditional moral values, a strong national defense, and free markets.)
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