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Ron Paul: 'U.S. Has Dug a Hole for Itself in Iraq' (Johns Hopkins Speech Today)
ABC News ^ | September 11, 2007

Posted on 09/11/2007 10:52:54 AM PDT by Austin Willard Wright

ABC News' Nitya Venkataraman and Nancy Flores report: While his 2008 rivals in Washington, D.C. spent the morning in congressional panels debating the future of US involvement in Iraq, GOP Presidential candidate Rep. Ron Paul charged the U.S. has "dug a hole for [itself]" in Iraq, and simultaneously defended his anti-war place in the Republican party and jabbed the current administration saying, "you don't have to be a war monger to be a conservative."

At a policy forum at Johns Hopkins University in Washington, D.C., Paul described Iraq as a "preemptive war" saying it was a "planned invasion and occupation" of a "country that was no threat to us whatsoever."

What might seem like bold rhetoric from the fiery Texas Republican on the anniversary of a historic day is actually nothing new for Paul. His assertions at the forum were consistent with his presidential platform and congressional career, both of which draw heavily from libertarian and constitutionalist ideals.

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1 posted on 09/11/2007 10:53:02 AM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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To: Austin Willard Wright

Who?


2 posted on 09/11/2007 10:53:53 AM PDT by mnehring (Thompson/Hunter '08- Time to have the real men in charge!)
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To: Austin Willard Wright

Dear Ron Paul, why don’t you jump into a hole.

Love,

FlipWilson


3 posted on 09/11/2007 10:53:58 AM PDT by FlipWilson
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To: Austin Willard Wright

Note to Ron Paul junkies: Get lost!


4 posted on 09/11/2007 10:54:30 AM PDT by popdonnelly (Our first responsibility is to keep the power of the Presidency out of the hands of the Clintons.)
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To: Austin Willard Wright

what a freakin’ buffoon


5 posted on 09/11/2007 10:54:37 AM PDT by RDTF (Republicans believe every day is July 4th, but Democrats believe every day is April 15th. - Reagan)
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To: Austin Willard Wright

Wow, it really is “bold” to spew treason on a college campus. How “fiery” and stuff.


6 posted on 09/11/2007 10:56:20 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: RDTF

Nah....the “buffons” are the Pollyanna’s who predicted that the war would pay for itself via oil, that Iraq would become a democratic shining light for the Middle East, etc. Ron Paul was right all along.


7 posted on 09/11/2007 10:56:27 AM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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To: Austin Willard Wright

Not quite as bad as one RPer described it at the Texas Straw Poll:” the noose that Bush tied around the neck of the US, . . . the country will hang on it.”

Neither wants to rescue the Nation or protect the right of the citizens to live without more 9-11’s: it’s all about power.


8 posted on 09/11/2007 10:56:50 AM PDT by hocndoc (http://www.lifeethics.org/www.lifeethics.org/index.html)
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To: Austin Willard Wright

Ron Paul is a perfect example of “Whatever is wrong in the world is the fault of the United States of America” blamer.


9 posted on 09/11/2007 10:57:21 AM PDT by WBL 1952
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To: Austin Willard Wright

He was at Johns Hopkins, how did he evade the nice men in the white coats?


10 posted on 09/11/2007 10:57:26 AM PDT by Hazcat (We won an immigration BATTLE, the WAR is not over. Be ever vigilant.)
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To: Austin Willard Wright

Ron Paul is as much a TRAITOR as the democrats. He can’t see past his nose. Nor can he see what the future would bring to this country if we did what he wants.


11 posted on 09/11/2007 10:57:59 AM PDT by BMC1 (ISLAM AND DEMOCRATS ARE THE ARMY OF SATAN. THEY ARE AL-MUFSIDOON (CRIMINALS BOUND FOR HELL.))
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To: Austin Willard Wright

Speaking of holes...

How ‘bout that Ron Paul?


12 posted on 09/11/2007 10:58:07 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: Austin Willard Wright
Results 1 - 10 of about 1,280,000 for Ron Paul nut. (0.07 seconds)
13 posted on 09/11/2007 10:58:14 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: Austin Willard Wright
Nah....the “buffons” are the Pollyanna’s who predicted that the war would pay for itself via oil, that Iraq would become a democratic shining light for the Middle East, etc. Ron Paul was right all along.

Paulestinians love putting words in other people's mouths, while simultaneously striving to explain away the garbage that oozes from the mouth of their cult leader.

14 posted on 09/11/2007 10:58:17 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: Austin Willard Wright

Ron Paul would be better advised to concentrate on his stengths — tax elimination, the 2A, ...drastically reducing the size and scope of gov’t. But he appears intent on emphasizing his glaring weakness.


15 posted on 09/11/2007 10:58:33 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo ("Hidin' in a corner ...of New York City, lookin' down a .44 in West Virginy")
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To: Austin Willard Wright
Why does the GOP allow this moonbat liberal to call himself a Republican?
Sheesh!
16 posted on 09/11/2007 10:58:39 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Austin Willard Wright

Well you definitely have to respect an independent mind like Paul. Unfortunately, the time to oppose the war was when we went into it. To his credit, Paul voted against it. Now that we are there, though, I think the cut and run makes little sense.


17 posted on 09/11/2007 10:58:55 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Austin Willard Wright
Back from banishment land I see. Still like to post the ole propaganda huh?

Ron Paul and you Paulnuts are not making friends of republicans. You are pissing us off and alienating yourselves. Ron Paul is pissing of the largest voting bloc he will need to remain in his GOP seat after losing the GOP nomination for POTUS. Ron Paul is a scumbag and has pulled a Chuck Hagel. Republicans despise this man now and he will not get their votes when he needs them. You Libertards and the antiwar crowd will not be enough to keep Ron Paul in his house seat. He will not get republican votes anymore.
18 posted on 09/11/2007 10:59:05 AM PDT by jrooney (The democrats are the friend of our enemy and the enemy of our friends. Attack them, not GW!)
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To: Austin Willard Wright
Ron Paul is starting to become a "Looney Tunes" embarrassment.

Somebody, please, hit the closing theme:


19 posted on 09/11/2007 11:00:27 AM PDT by capt. norm (Be thankful we're not getting all the government we're paying for.)
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To: Austin Willard Wright
I would think that on this somber anniversary date, we could have a one-day moratorium on the incessant ramblings of this anti-war, MoveOn, Truther idol.

But, alas, his acolytes have no respect for those of us who do not share RP's offbeat opinions.

20 posted on 09/11/2007 11:01:37 AM PDT by Allegra (Turning Vanity Threads Into New Socks Threads at Every Opportunity)
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To: Austin Willard Wright

Ron Paul advising us "you don't have to be a war monger to be a conservative."

21 posted on 09/11/2007 11:01:49 AM PDT by icwhatudo (The rino borg...is resistance futile?)
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To: Austin Willard Wright

22 posted on 09/11/2007 11:02:11 AM PDT by jdm
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Let’s see.. Ron Paul is 80% right on domestic issues but he is only 10% right on national security.. He is labeled as the UberConstitutionalist

Rudy is only 10% right on domestic issues and 80% right on national security issues, he is labeled as the UberRINO.

Fred Thompson is 80% right on domestic issues and 90% right on national security, but he isn’t good enough..

Duncan Hunter is 90% right on domestic and 90% right on national security, he also isn’t good enough..

Yea, I just pulled all those numbers out of my ass.. but you get my point.

23 posted on 09/11/2007 11:03:07 AM PDT by mnehring (Thompson/Hunter '08- Time to have the real men in charge!)
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To: Austin Willard Wright

>> Ron Paul was right all along.

“All along” ain’t over yet, bucko, any more than it was over when another ignorant traitor puke by the name of Neville Chamberlain, explained to the world that by rolling over for Hitler he had achieved “peace in our time”.

Ron Paul is an ostrich.


24 posted on 09/11/2007 11:04:11 AM PDT by Nervous Tick
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To: jrooney
Yep, they are so ticked that their man Saddam isn’t having Israeli kids blown up daily anymore.

Notice how they are defending Iran’s nut now, he is their next hope to get rid of Israel for good.

25 posted on 09/11/2007 11:04:21 AM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: Austin Willard Wright
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Ron Paul,,why didn't he stay a doctor?
26 posted on 09/11/2007 11:04:24 AM PDT by Old Seadog (Inside every old person is a young person saying "WTF happened?".)
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To: Brilliant

Paul was against the Iraqi Liberation Act of 1998 which called for no military intervention. I wonder if he was in on the Oil for Food scam?


27 posted on 09/11/2007 11:04:44 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Austin Willard Wright

GO AWAY YOU WALLY COX LOOKING BOZO. Change parties please. You sound as good as Hussein Obama and the Silk Pony.


28 posted on 09/11/2007 11:06:04 AM PDT by shankbear (Al-Qaeda grew while Monica blew)
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To: massgopguy

The question I have is whether a Paul 3d party candidacy would take more away from the GOP nominee or from Hillary.


29 posted on 09/11/2007 11:07:14 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: jrooney

What baffles me is how he got any Republican votes in the first place.
Regardless, you’re probably right. He’s finished, over and done. Republicans will put their votes where they will do the most good. The Libtards anti war Rino’s will vote for McCain, who Ron Paul has made look more sane.


30 posted on 09/11/2007 11:07:20 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: roses of sharon

Amazingly disgusting isn’t it? Ron Paul and the Paulnuts do not realize the damage they are doing by pissing off the republican base he will need to retain his GOP house seat. Chuck Hagel had to learn the hard way by realizing he painted himself in a corner. Ron Paul is way ahead of Hagel in boxing himself in.


31 posted on 09/11/2007 11:08:17 AM PDT by jrooney (The democrats are the friend of our enemy and the enemy of our friends. Attack them, not GW!)
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To: Brilliant

Be about equal, IMO.


32 posted on 09/11/2007 11:08:45 AM PDT by jdm
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To: Austin Willard Wright
Nah....the “buffons” are the Pollyanna’s who predicted that the war would pay for itself via oil, that Iraq would become a democratic shining light for the Middle East, etc. Ron Paul was right all along.

Watch it, you're scaring this guy.


33 posted on 09/11/2007 11:08:49 AM PDT by Paradox (Politics: The art of convincing the populace that your delusions are superior to others.)
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To: Austin Willard Wright
Don't drink the "Paul-aid"!


34 posted on 09/11/2007 11:08:53 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: Austin Willard Wright

‘Nah....the “buffons” are the Pollyanna’s who predicted that the war would pay for itself via oil, that Iraq would become a democratic shining light for the Middle East, etc. Ron Paul was right all along.’

Based on the above nonsense, its clear Ron Paul is running for the wrong party nomination.


35 posted on 09/11/2007 11:09:27 AM PDT by Badeye (You know its a kook site when they ban the word 'kook')
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To: wideawake

Well said. Paul is only running to divide Republicans. He’s a plant. Snicker.


36 posted on 09/11/2007 11:09:58 AM PDT by subterfuge (It's GREAT, to be, a Florida Gator!)
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To: Austin Willard Wright

Holding my nose..he should change his name to Ron Pauline - sissy congressman

He is an idiot when it comes to the war on terror..period.


37 posted on 09/11/2007 11:10:09 AM PDT by Alright_on_the_LeftCoast
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To: Austin Willard Wright
Ron Paul “chose” to go anti-war.

After all this appeared to be the popular view, at least according to the MSM.

However, he will realize that the anti-war agenda is not as popular as many think. False polls, a left biased media that editorializes everything has created a “perception” of an unpopular war is no true indicator of the mood in American society on this war. Everyone would agree that we want our boys home as soon as possible, even the most hawkish. No one wants any more dying in Iraq. However, the notion that most Americans support failure and want to quit in face of a vast Islamic threat, of which Iraq, Iran, Syria are all part of is false.

Ron Paul thought that his position on Iraq gave him an advantage, being against a war that is ugly and unpopular. However, it will be his undoing in all reality since his party won’t back him for that single reason.

38 posted on 09/11/2007 11:10:53 AM PDT by Red6 (Come and take it.)
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To: TexasCajun
Results 1 - 10 of about 1,280,000 for Ron Paul nut. (0.07 seconds)

Results 1 - 10 of about 1,720,000 for george bush nut. (0.26 seconds)

The Google game is fun!

39 posted on 09/11/2007 11:10:57 AM PDT by ksen ("For an omniscient and omnipotent God, there are no Plan B's" - Frumanchu)
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40 posted on 09/11/2007 11:11:08 AM PDT by Petronski (Cleveland Indians: Pennant -13)
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To: Nathan Zachary

Ron Paul was flying below the radar with his nutiness before. By running for the presidency, he has exposed himself and his views are the talk of republican circles. Republicans do not like what they see in this man. He is unfit to be in Congress representing the GOP. He is toast.


41 posted on 09/11/2007 11:11:13 AM PDT by jrooney (The democrats are the friend of our enemy and the enemy of our friends. Attack them, not GW!)
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To: Austin Willard Wright

L. Ron oughta know about holes and digging into them.


42 posted on 09/11/2007 11:11:52 AM PDT by OCCASparky (Steely-Eyed Killer of the Deep)
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To: Nathan Zachary
Why does the GOP allow this moonbat liberal to call himself a Republican?

Hey, this is a Paul thread not a Giuliani thread.

43 posted on 09/11/2007 11:12:15 AM PDT by ksen ("For an omniscient and omnipotent God, there are no Plan B's" - Frumanchu)
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To: Austin Willard Wright

Typical like most liberals hate/blame Bush...

The problem is that not enough people use context as in, WHERE WOULD WE BE IF BUSH HAD NOT ACTED... How many more American citizens would be dead....

If Bush had not acted against Saddam Hussein in March 2003 and if Saddam had then (emboldened by UBL Success on 911) and gaining strength (read money) using the Oil For Food corruption scam.. either directly or indirectly funneled... (Money, Weapons, Assistance) to Al-Qaeda and then they performed another more grandiose attack on the U.S. what would the critics say then?
Wouldn’t the anti-war left decry Bush in that he didn’t do enough to stop terror.... Wouldn’t the Right ridicule Bush for failing to take action like Clinton before him?

And then after proof of Saddams involvement would it have changed the outcome of the insurgency? Wouldn’t the facts on the ground still be the same? The question that America is wrestling with is.... Is it worth it? and to that answer Bush and his administration has done a poor job in reminding America that it is worth it....

If of course you do not use context then yes everything that any President has ever done has consequently been the wrong decision at the wrong place at the wrong time....


44 posted on 09/11/2007 11:12:25 AM PDT by tomnbeverly (“Show me just what Obama brought that was new, and there you will find only evil and Hillary.")
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To: massgopguy
I wonder if he was in on the Oil for Food scam?

In Paul's defense, Oscar Wyatt (US Oilman on trial for being part of the scam) didn't give anything to Paul, he mostly gave to Dems.

http://www.opensecrets.org/indivs/search.asp?key=DJR3D&txtName=wyatt,%20o&txtState=TX&txtAll=Y&Order=N

Here are Paul's donors:

http://www.opensecrets.org/indivs/search.asp?key=DJR3D&txtState=TX&txtCand=Paul&txt2008=Y&Order=N

With all my differences with the guy, I really doubt he had anything to do with oil for food.

45 posted on 09/11/2007 11:12:40 AM PDT by mnehring (Thompson/Hunter '08- Time to have the real men in charge!)
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To: Austin Willard Wright
Here is the relevant equation:

Ron Paul =

46 posted on 09/11/2007 11:13:46 AM PDT by capt. norm (Be thankful we're not getting all the government we're paying for.)
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To: jrooney

“He is unfit to be in Congress representing the GOP.”

I live in his district. We are going to do our best during the primary to return him to his medical practice.


47 posted on 09/11/2007 11:13:56 AM PDT by No Truce With Kings (The opinions expressed are mine! Mine! MINE! All Mine!)
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To: Austin Willard Wright
Paul described Iraq as a "preemptive war" saying it was a "planned invasion and occupation" of a "country that was no threat to us whatsoever."

It's official - Ron Paul has lost his nut.


48 posted on 09/11/2007 11:15:00 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (Ron Paul put the cuckoo in my Cocoa Puffs)
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To: Austin Willard Wright

Ron Paul makes a lot of sense. I wonder if we are seeing the repeat of the 1850’s and the end of the Whigs, what with this split of Big Gov repubs with ideological conservatives.


49 posted on 09/11/2007 11:15:46 AM PDT by NascentDocent (profit margins quickly reduce to zero at ground zero.)
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To: Old Seadog
Ron Paul,,why didn't he stay a doctor?

Would you want this guy doing "doctor things" to you?

I think I now know why he had to give up the 'doctor gig'.

50 posted on 09/11/2007 11:17:35 AM PDT by capt. norm (Be thankful we're not getting all the government we're paying for.)
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