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Clinton returns money, sets precedent (ROFL Alert! Precedent setting,, New standard, LOLOL)
AP on Yahoo ^ | 9/11/07 | Jim Kuhnhenn - ap

Posted on 09/11/2007 2:21:37 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

WASHINGTON - In returning $850,000 to donors associated with a disgraced fundraiser, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton sets a significant new standard for how campaigns should respond in the face of potential scandal.

Clinton's decision also underscores the price — financial and political — that her campaign is paying for failing to spot trouble with the fundraiser, Norman Hsu, even after receiving a warning. The campaign announced it would now conduct background checks on its fundraisers, an extraordinary and potentially time consuming step.

By returning the money, Clinton also puts pressure on presidential rivals and other politicians with rainmakers who have dubious pasts or who have employed questionable fundraising tactics, including the campaigns of Barack Obama and John Edwards.

Hsu, a Hong Kong native who appeared suddenly in the New York political scene about four years ago, is under guard in a Colorado hospital after failing to show up for a bail hearing last week in California. He had been wanted as a fugitive for skipping sentencing on a 1991 grand theft case to which he had pleaded no contest.

In the past two weeks, news reports raised questions about his fundraising practices and revealed his fugitive status. Law enforcement authorities said the FBI is now investigating whether Hsu paid donors to contribute to politicians. His lawyer has said Hsu did not break the law and that donors he solicited contributed their own money.

Despite his high-profile political activity, California authorities were apparently unaware of his whereabouts. And despite his abrupt entry into the circle of political money "bundlers" during the 2004 election, politicians did not inquire about his past.

"There were a few people who were scratching their heads, that he was being so generous," said John Catsimatidis, a New York businessman and longtime Clinton money man. "But he was a pleasant guy and nobody thought anything of it."

The Los Angeles Times reported Tuesday that an Irvine, Calif., businessman cautioned the Clinton campaign in June that he suspected Hsu was running an investment scam. The newspaper said the campaign's former finance director for Western states, Samantha Wolf, denied the claim and pronounced Hsu "completely legit."

Asked Tuesday what the campaign did in response to the warning, Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson said: "It prompted another search of publicly available information which did not reveal the decade-plus old warrant."

Caught flat-footed by the Hsu revelations, the Clinton camp said it will now take extra steps to examine their fundraisers, including conducting criminal background checks.

"In any instances where a source of a bundler's income is in question, the campaign will take affirmative steps to verify its origin," Wolfson said.

Larry Noble, former general counsel at the Federal Election Commission, said Clinton raised the bar on how to respond to troublesome fundraising.

"At one time the standard was if a person is convicted of a crime I'll return the money; then it was if they are indicted," Noble said. "What we're seeing now is the Clinton campaign being very proactive about trying to get out in front of what experience has shown can be a very distracting story."

Aggressive vetting of bundlers, Noble said, "is a big step because, one, it's going to take resources and, two, it may well turn off or insult some fundraisers."

With the cost of campaigns increasing exponentially, candidates are under increasing pressure to rely on fundraisers, or money "bundlers," who help solicit money on their behalf. This election, money is even more important because several presidential candidates plan to forgo public financing.

Clinton has raised $52 million from individual contributors, second only to Obama who has raised $58 million.

"A great deal of fundraising comes form people who are established, have homes, people in the community," Catsimatidis said. "I'd say 99.9 percent. But there is that oddball that occurs once in a while. It happens and one has to be on the watch for that."

Last month, lawyer Geoffrey Fieger, who represented assisted suicide advocate Jack Kevorkian, was indicted on charges of conspiring to make more than $125,000 in illegal contributions to Edwards' 2004 presidential campaign. Fieger pleaded not guilty and authorities have said the Edwards campaign was unaware of the activity.

Edwards campaign spokesman Eric Schultz said the campaign will await the outcome of the case against Fieger before acting on the money he helped raise.

"From Day One, the campaign has taken their lead from and cooperated fully with the Department of Justice," Schultz said. "Once this prosecution concludes, if Geoffrey Fieger is found guilty, the campaign will donate all the money in question to charity."

He said the campaign, like Clinton's has also stepped up its vetting of fundraisers.

"We have always had an extensive vetting process for our raisers, but based on the Hsu revelations, and to err on the side of caution, we have begun doing criminal background checks as well," he said.

Obama has already given to charity money that Hsu contributed to his Senate campaign in 2004 and to his political action committee in 2005. Hsu did not assist Obama's presidential campaign but he helped host one fundraiser for Obama during his Senate run. Obama's campaign sent letters to donors potentially affiliated with Hsu, seeking assurances that the money they donated was their own.

Campaign spokesman Bill Burton said the campaign was not returning any money from those donors yet because it was still awaiting their response.

Obama has also given to charity about $37,000 in contributions to his Senate campaign and political action committee that were linked to Chicago businessman Antoin "Tony" Rezko, who faces extortion and fraud charges related to an Illinois public pension fund. Rezko also raised tens of thousands of dollars for Obama's state legislative and Senate races. And while Obama has divested his campaign of money from some Rezko associates, he has kept money from others.

"We're constantly reviewing and updating our processes for vetting donations and donors, and we'll continue to do that," Burton said.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: ap; bias; clinton; clintontong; heave; hillary; hillaryclinton; hsu; hurl; icallbs; mediabias; money; msm; newstandard; normanhsu; precedent; puke; returns
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To: Tallguy

Now, now, don’t let those pesky facts get in the way of the Grifter’s real rea$on$ for this pesky little distraction and honest mistake...


41 posted on 09/11/2007 2:55:15 PM PDT by eureka! (Is power so important to the Democrats that they are willing to betray our country? Sadly, yes.)
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To: NormsRevenge

I must have missed this on the lead story of World News Tonight!!

I remember Abramhoff... Abramhoff... Abramhoff

Where’s ABC News on this one?

Where’s Brian Ross?

ABC is just another wing of the Democrat Party

Fairness Act for the networks NOW!!!!!!!


42 posted on 09/11/2007 2:56:19 PM PDT by crashthe24
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To: BARLF
I'm not convinced the FBI and DOJ are finished with their investigation,apparently Hsu is still being protected at a hospital in Grand Junction,Co.

I pray you are right...Brian of Fox & Friends thinks so, too, and said again today--this story is not going to die.
43 posted on 09/11/2007 2:57:22 PM PDT by Miss Didi ("Good heavens, woman, this is a war not a garden party!" Dr. Meade, Gone with the Wind)
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To: Miss Didi
Praying for sure.

Of all the tests that Hsu has gone through in the last few days I hope the polygraph revealed the most damaging information.

44 posted on 09/11/2007 3:05:37 PM PDT by BARLF
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To: NormsRevenge

I was having lunch in downtown San Francisco this p.m., and two men behind me were discussion Shrillery. Both said they would vote for an independent or even Republican candidate before they would vote for her. In fact, one of them said, “I mean, she’s as fascist and power-hungry as you can get, dude - have you ever listened to her?”

And this is in the heart of her target market. I haven’t seen ANY Hillary bumper stickers - lot of Obama and Giuliani, but NO Hillary.


45 posted on 09/11/2007 3:09:04 PM PDT by Right Cal Gal (Remember Billy Dale!!!)
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To: NormsRevenge

I saw a picture posted (not sure if it is photoshopped) of Hillary and Hsu. Now, based on Hillarys appearance (hair etc) this would be a fairly recent picture if it is not fake. Couldn’t it be assumed that if she is taking pictures with him while he is a fugitive, that she had some knowledge that he was wanted by the authorities? Besides the obvious aid and abetting of the MSM, how can she deny this?


46 posted on 09/11/2007 3:12:38 PM PDT by sappy
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To: NormsRevenge
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It shows up in more places than TouristGuy,
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47 posted on 09/11/2007 3:17:18 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist)
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To: NormsRevenge; Miss Didi; doug from upland

Rush Limbagh calls this a huge scandal. But in dollar amounts, it is dwarfed by the the amount of money that Peter Paul has asked that she return to him, yet she has ignored his request for years.


48 posted on 09/11/2007 3:18:14 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: ml/nj; firebrand; juliej; dennisw; rmlew; Nancee; Marysecretary; exit82; Fedora; cricket; ...

Witch alert ping!


49 posted on 09/11/2007 3:26:28 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: Tallguy
"They get to keep the money while Mr. Hsu heads off into the legal system."

For a while, at least.

I am guessing 'ol Mr. Hsu will have some "collection agents" drop by for a visit.

50 posted on 09/11/2007 3:27:38 PM PDT by Designer
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To: NormsRevenge
By returning the money, Clinton also puts pressure on presidential rivals and other politicians...

Translation from AP-speak to English: Everyone else does it, so there's nothing that terrible about taking money from sleazy characters. In fact she is on the cutting edge of campaign ethics.

51 posted on 09/11/2007 3:35:13 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: NormsRevenge

We need to demand to see the backs of every check she “returns” after it’s been cashed......


52 posted on 09/11/2007 3:39:54 PM PDT by goodnesswins (Being Challenged Builds Character! Being Coddled Destroys Character!)
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To: Red Badger
Just who does the campaign return the money to?..............

To the contributors.

There is good reason to believe that many were pressured to contribute to Hillary's campaign, in order to keep participating in an "investment" fund that Hsu was running. Of course, there's also good reason to believe that this "investment" fund was really a Ponzi scheme, so these people are in a bad way.

There's also reason to believe that other "contributors" (such as the Paws) were really conduits for money from other sources. The IRS will be interested in tracking that money. :-)

This is going to continue to get more and more interesting.

53 posted on 09/11/2007 3:47:13 PM PDT by 3niner (War is one game where the home team always loses.)
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To: 3niner

Clintoon gives back pocket change.What a laugh.


54 posted on 09/11/2007 3:51:27 PM PDT by jocko12
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To: justiceseeker93

In returning $850,000 to donors associated with a disgraced fundraiser, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton sets a significant new standard for how campaigns should respond in the face of potential scandal.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


55 posted on 09/11/2007 4:09:11 PM PDT by doug from upland (Our two great challenges: stoppping Islamofascists and stopping Hillary)
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To: NormsRevenge

[...The campaign announced it would now conduct background checks on its fund raisers..]

John Gotti used to ‘background checks’ on his ‘fund raisers’ too if the money was a little ‘funny’, they ended up in black Glad bags.


56 posted on 09/11/2007 4:14:55 PM PDT by RetSignman (DEMSM: "If you tell a big enough lie, frequently enough, it becomes the truth")
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To: NormsRevenge

Yeah, the Clintons have set all kinds of precedents. These two sleazy characters are nauseating.


57 posted on 09/11/2007 4:20:08 PM PDT by popdonnelly (Our first responsibility is to keep the power of the Presidency out of the hands of the Clintons.)
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To: NormsRevenge

In returning funds, “Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton sets a significant new standard for how campaigns should respond”

....We’re not worthy to have her as President...

LOL

Wow. THIS is jOuRNalisM?
Sounds like HRC Campaign boilerplate


58 posted on 09/11/2007 5:03:25 PM PDT by 4Liberty (U.S. tax laws are enforced, Immigration laws aren’t = global tax)
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To: 4Liberty
Pope Hillary?
59 posted on 09/11/2007 5:08:25 PM PDT by Califreak (Go Hunter!)
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To: NormsRevenge
Who did she return this money to? Surely not Hsu. . .or any of the aliases used; nor could it be sent to the addresses as per the library for instance. So where does it go?

(Imagine how surprised Hillary was to discover this fraud!!!)

What is amazing is how long they have been routinely engaged in such fraud; and still the media manages to fein their surprise as they cover Hillary's 'surprise'. . .

Let's see; does the MSM remember the disclosures re the Clinton fundraising in the White House; no. . .not selling the Lincoln bedroom; but rather the cash-in-a-brown-bag dinners. . .with a guest list list that read like a Chinese phone book? Does MSM remember Charlie Trie from the Clinton 'Arkansas days? Hillary, I am sure does not remember.

Whatever. . ..enough illegal Asian activity in the Clintdon quarters to fill more than a few years and books; and most importantly, the Clinton pockets.

Reap - sow; usually applies to individual action. But, with due credit. . .Hillary and Bill have figured out how to 'reap'; why the rest of America 'sows' for them.

It's a beautiful thing. . .

60 posted on 09/11/2007 6:18:20 PM PDT by cricket
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