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1 posted on 09/14/2007 7:37:08 AM PDT by NYer
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2 posted on 09/14/2007 7:37:33 AM PDT by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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On this, the Church’s position is infallible.


3 posted on 09/14/2007 7:38:41 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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“Terry Schiavo, the women in a “permanent vegetative state” who died in the USA”

SHE WAS MURDERED - what don’t they get

oh MSM again


4 posted on 09/14/2007 7:39:15 AM PDT by George from New England
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Good! And all the US and particularly Florida bishops who were scandalously silent during Terri Schiavo’s protracted death should get their knuckles rapped in a big way. This is particularly true of her bishop, Bishop Lynch of St. Petersburg, who should have been removed from his position immediately upon her death.


5 posted on 09/14/2007 7:40:03 AM PDT by livius
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NOW????? A little late isn’t it?
6 posted on 09/14/2007 7:43:21 AM PDT by 4everontheRight ("Boy, those French: They have a different word for everything! "- Steve Martin)
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So long as the technology exists to feed intravenously this should be done. Not much is known about where in the body the personality and memory reside and even flat-line brain recordings do not indicate anything but legal death by state legal definition.


7 posted on 09/14/2007 7:48:53 AM PDT by RightWhale (Stop Change while it is perfect.)
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Does this mean that the Bishop of Worcester, Most Rev. Robert McManus, will now PUBLICALLY recant the erroneous position which he once held and caused the Bishop whom he advised at the time to publish?

Relevant article from the archives of The New York Times:

January 12, 1988

Bishop Sees No Moral Issue If Feeding Ends in Coma Case

By PETER STEINFELS

LEAD: The Roman Catholic Bishop of Providence, R.I., Louis E. Gelineau, said yesterday that a diocesan official's opinion approving the removal of a feeding tube from a comatose patient ''does not contradict Catholic moral theology.''

The Roman Catholic Bishop of Providence, R.I., Louis E. Gelineau, said yesterday that a diocesan official's opinion approving the removal of a feeding tube from a comatose patient ''does not contradict Catholic moral theology.''

The opinion was written at Bishop Gelineau's request by the Rev. Robert J. McManus, vicar of education, who is a member of the diocesan medical ethics commission.

It has been criticized as ''utterly and unquestionably wrong'' by another Catholic theologian, the Rev. Robert Barry, who teaches religious studies at the University of Illinois. A diocesan press officer said abortion foes in the Providence area had expressed concern that Father McManus's view weakened the church's teaching on the protection of life.

A Kind of Precedent

Although Father McManus's opinion in the case of Marcia Gray, a 48-year-old Catholic who has been in a coma since January 1986, is not unprecedented among moral theologians, it is apparently the first time such a viewpoint has been expressed by someone acting in a diocesan capacity.

A growing number of state courts have ruled that such chemical feeding is a means of artificial life support like mechanical respirators, which can be removed.

Bishop Gelineau, in Providence, had asked Father McManus to study the case after Mrs. Gray's husband, H. Glenn Gray, who is seeking to remove a tube supplying food and water to his wife, sought church advice, The Bishop emphasized yesterday that Father McManus's opinion ''in no way supports or condones the practice of euthanasia.''

Mr. Gray, who is a University of Rhode Island professor, has sued the Rhode Island Department of Mental Health, Retardation and Hospitals, which administers the hospital where Mrs. Gray is a patient, to have the feeding tube removed. The case is scheduled to be heard this month by the Federal District Court in Providence.

According to Bishop Gelineau, the church has made no ''definitive statement regarding the need to provide nutrition and hydration to the permanently unconscious person.''

At a news conference, Bishop Gelineau acknowledged that his position supporting Father McManus might differ from the standpoint of other bishops. But Dr. James J. Walter, associate professor of theology at Loyola University, in Chicago, said that Father McManus's opinion appeared to be one held by a ''growing majority'' of Catholic moral theologians. 'Ordinary' vs. 'Extraordinary'

According to Dr. Walter as well as Dr. Lisa Sowle Cahill, professor of theology at Boston College, the terms Father McManus used to examine the issue were traditional ones. Most Catholic theologians ask whether artifically provided nutrition and hydration constitute ''extraordinary'' medical treatment. Such treatment may be suspended if seen as burdensome. On the other hand, ''ordinary'' medical treatment cannot be morally withdrawn.

Dr. Cahill noted that theological foes of removing feeding tubes for the permanently unconscious stress the ''ordinary'' and basic character of food and drink. ''But food and drink is no more basic than air,'' said Dr. Cahill, noting that Catholic theologians have agreed that artificial respirators qualify as ''extraordinary'' treatment and can sometimes be disconnected.

The differences among theologians, Dr. Walter said, depend on whether they look at the medical treatment alone or in relation to the benefit it may give a particular patient. In the case of Mrs. Gray, Father McManus had concluded that the measures ''supplying nutrition and hydration artificially offer no reasonable hope of benefit'' and were therefore ''disproportionate and unduly burdensome.''

NB: Then-Cardinal Ratzinger was in the United States at the time for the famous presentation on scriptural exegesis in New York, where he was subjected to gay-rights' activitists' protests and insults, and took issue with the McManus opinion. Such an opinion surely must have been formally recanted by the author before his nomination to the episcopacy, but we've not seen that recantation in print.

11 posted on 09/14/2007 8:35:42 AM PDT by TaxachusettsMan
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