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UC Irvine reverses field on Chemerinsky
LA Times Via Boortz ^ | Sept. 12, 2007 | Garrett Therolf and Henry Weinstein

Posted on 09/14/2007 8:31:04 AM PDT by Michael.SF.

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To: Michael.SF.
Do you have a link that presents the case for conservatives to support Chemerinsky?

David Horowitz at FrontPage
Scott Johnson at PowerLine
Glenn Reynolds at Instapundit, multiple current posts
Steve Bainbridge at professorbainbridge.com
Eugene Volokh at volokhconspiracy
Victor Davis Hanson at The Corner (National Review)

and more.

21 posted on 09/14/2007 8:33:27 PM PDT by TChad
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To: Michael.SF.
The compromised thinking that allows conservatives to voice support for Chemerinsky is the same that helped the New Majority insert a European liberal into the California executive.

The Golden Rule:

If you don't support a liberal, they're less likely to achieve high public office.

22 posted on 09/15/2007 6:02:59 AM PDT by Amerigomag
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To: VOA

I think you nailed it!! the one about improving Duke Law...LOL!!!


23 posted on 09/15/2007 6:37:04 AM PDT by Suzy Quzy (Hillary '08...Her PHONINESS is REAL!!!)
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To: TChad
Thanks. I read the first one, David Horowitz' article, because I respect his opinion. Here is his conclusion:

However, the principle of academic freedom is also at stake.
What UC Irvine should have done is said, we will hire you as a professor
(however reprehensible your politics) but we can't build a law school around you.

Not exactly a ringing endorsement for the position he was fired from.

I basically agree with the principle of 'Academic Freedom' and I wish that it existed in this country. It does not. Witness to that the long fight to get rid of Ward Churchill. IMHO, it was nice to see a liberal get a taste of 'his' own medicine. Perhaps a few libs will wake up and realize that they have been guilty of worse, a far greater number of times.

24 posted on 09/15/2007 10:01:07 AM PDT by Michael.SF. ("The military Mission has long since been accomplished" -- Harry Reid, April 23, 2007)
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To: TChad
From Steve Bainbridge: Speaking of GOP-leaning real estate barons, my guess - and it's just a guess - is that Donald Bren may have had a hand in this development. Bren gave $20 million to UC Irvine to finance the law school, which is to be named after him. His Forbes bio includes this comment: "Major Republican donor; a skiing buddy of Schwarzenegger." His campaign contributions are summarized here, mostly going to fairly conservative GOP candidates.

IMHO, it his highly likely that Bren had a say in this. $20,000,000 donation gives him that privilege. The big mistake was not having him on the panel, which probably is the case, to approve the hiring in the first place.

25 posted on 09/15/2007 10:10:40 AM PDT by Michael.SF. ("The military Mission has long since been accomplished" -- Harry Reid, April 23, 2007)
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To: Michael.SF.
Chemerinsky seems to have earned the professional respect of plenty of conservative lawyers. My only exposure to him has been on Hugh Hewitt. He reminds me of Noam Chomsky -- a substantial intellect that operates entirely in the service of liberal ideology. Like Chomsky, he is perversely interesting to listen to, but he should never be given real power.

My guess, like yours, is that Bren blew a gasket when he heard of the Chemerinsky appointment. If so, it would be hard to blame him.

Still, in the end I have to defer to Hewitt, John Eastman, and the academic lawyers I linked. They know their business better than I do, and they think that dumping Chemerinsky broke the rules.

26 posted on 09/15/2007 7:46:30 PM PDT by TChad
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To: TChad
Good comparison to Noam Chomsky.

Still, in the end I have to defer to Hewitt, John Eastman, and the academic lawyers I linked. They know their business better than I do, and they think that dumping Chemerinsky broke the rules.

They are as pointy-headed and out of touch as Irwin, in their way. They blather on about how if it's wrong for a conservative prof to get canned for being conservative, it's wrong to do the same to a liberal. It's exasperating -- who says it's "wrong" to ban a conservative prof for being conservative?

Wrong or right has nothing to do with it -- it's the context of where he is. If it's a college overloaded with conservative profs, no one could rightly object to him being prematurely canned, as it were.

I've accepted Hugh's puffy pointy-headedness for awhile, but I'm somewhat disillusioned with John Eastman. I didn't know that about him. They are both very wrong to criticize UCI's dumping of Irwin.

27 posted on 09/17/2007 3:01:35 PM PDT by Finny ( Only saps buy man-caused global warming.)
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To: Finny
who says it's "wrong" to ban a conservative prof for being conservative?

Lots of people. Horowitz and the Academic Bill of Rights crowd say it is wrong because it infringes on academic freedom. Eugene Volokh (who is as pointy-headed as pointy-headed gets, a genius computer geek turned legal super-geek) and Hewitt say that the state of California cannot legally discriminate in hiring based on an applicant's politics. Beyond the principles involved, in practice those arguments are typically used to benefit academic conservatives. If conservatives as a group have to choose between abandoning those arguments and tolerating Chemerinsky, maybe we help ourselves more in the long run by taking one for the team.

28 posted on 09/17/2007 6:29:41 PM PDT by TChad
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To: TChad
Chemerinsky seems to have earned the professional respect of plenty of conservative lawyers.

I had dinner this evening in Orange County with an old friend, who is an attorney and practices in the area. He is as conservative as they get and active in regional politics. He said he was furious that Chemerinsky was fired. He said it would have immediately elevated UCI to being on track to become one of the most prominent law schools in Orange County, and given some time they could raise to being on the second tier behind some of the LA schools.

He described Chemerinsky as being the left wing equivalent of Robert Bork, in terms of knowledge of ConLaw.

He also added that he was "not an ACLU Type", but a reasonable guy.

29 posted on 09/17/2007 9:01:27 PM PDT by Michael.SF. ("The military Mission has long since been accomplished" -- Harry Reid, April 23, 2007)
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To: Michael.SF.
Apparently UCI reconsidered. Chemerinsky will be the dean after all.

Your friend should be happy.

30 posted on 09/17/2007 10:25:08 PM PDT by TChad
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To: TChad
We discussed that as well.

I asked if the hiring-firing-rehiring had done irreparable harm to UCI's reputation. He felt that was not the case and that all of this will be soon forgotten.

To be honest, I was really surprised at his comments.

31 posted on 09/17/2007 10:32:15 PM PDT by Michael.SF. ("The military Mission has long since been accomplished" -- Harry Reid, April 23, 2007)
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To: TChad
In the context -- Horowizt et al say it is wrong and it DOES infringes on academic freedom because the colleges are overwhelmingly dominated by liberals. If the colleges weren't dominated by liberals, Horowizt and Volokh wouldn't even be talking about it.

... California cannot legally discriminate in hiring based on an applicant's politics....

But California schools -- schools across the nation -- DO and have done so for decades, leaving us with schools, including law schools, that are dominated by the left. Horowitz and Volokh are like Dubya and his "new tone." It sounds really nice and pretty and noble and "taking one for the team" in the name of a falsley applied "principle." This is not a game, it's war, and the enemy (liberals) fight dirty. All Hewitt et al have done is to help place a very twisted political mind, Chemerinsky, in a place of even greater power and influence in a context of those institutions already being dominated by twisted minds.

Did you read on one of these threads the comments of a guy who's taken many of Chemerinsky's classes? Apparently Chemerinsky's lectures are filled with anti-Bush comments, even moreso than most of the liberal profs. This is a case of very misguided "princple" in that now Chemerinsky is even more powerful than before, and guess what? No matter how much we make nice, he is the enemy of our freedom.

I would say to Hewitt and Eastman and all those who came to Chemerinsky's aid in the name of that incomplete, uneven, feel-good "principle" -- SMOOTH MOVE, EX-LAX.

32 posted on 09/18/2007 8:17:31 AM PDT by Finny ( Only saps buy man-caused global warming.)
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To: Finny
No matter how much we make nice, he is the enemy of our freedom.

I agree.

33 posted on 09/18/2007 4:18:09 PM PDT by TChad
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To: TChad
Reflecting a little more deeply on why the thinking of Hewitt and Eastman disturbs me on this -- just food for thought:

1. The more noticed Chemerinsky gets, the more likely his suitableness politically for a judicial role. 'Nuff said.

2. That moment between ego and honor when you have to stop and ask, Am I doing this to look right or because it's truly the right thing?

That said, I cherish Hugh Hewitt as a radio guy. If not for him, I'd likely never had heard Mark Steyn. But I don't buy the "noble princple" angle on this. It's pointy-headed ivory-tower principle, as any future victim of a liberal Chemerinsky judgeship would tell you.

Anyhoo, that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

34 posted on 09/18/2007 5:39:54 PM PDT by Finny ( Only saps buy man-caused global warming.)
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