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1 posted on 09/14/2007 9:16:14 AM PDT by SirLinksalot
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This article is kind of a dog’s breakfast.


2 posted on 09/14/2007 9:20:57 AM PDT by ikka
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the number of people suckered into subprime loans

Just a nation of victims, we are.

Even if you're illiterate and don't understand the meaning of the word "adjustible", all you have to remember is the folksy aphorism "If something seems too good to be true, it usually is."

3 posted on 09/14/2007 9:22:03 AM PDT by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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It’s not so hard to get a handle on the story. Start with some of the disgruntled employees of those mortgage companies who were just dumped from some of the best paying jobs in their lives

Great idea. After all, they are guaranteed to be completely impartial and have absolutely no motivation to lie to get back at their former employers.

Let's face facts: plenty of people borrowed more money than they should have and plenty of banks lent unworthy creditors more money than they should have.

This isn't criminal activity - this is simply a large group of people getting carried away and making poor financial decisions.

4 posted on 09/14/2007 9:22:18 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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And the heart of all greediness is Wall Street, of course.

You can stop reading right here.

L

5 posted on 09/14/2007 9:25:30 AM PDT by Lurker ( Comparing moderate islam to extremist islam is like comparing smallpox to ebola.)
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Additionally, the subprime "crisis" has nothing to do with the cases of Milken (not "Milliken") or Kozlowski (not "Kazlowski").

Milken got in trouble for selling high yield bonds too profitably. I wish I was joking, but that is literally what happened. He sold bonds to buyers who were not forced to buy them and who freely agreed to pay the selling price.

Kozlowski stole money from the company of which he was CEO.

What Milken's shrewd trading and Kozlowski's theft have to to do with subprime mortgages, I have no idea.

6 posted on 09/14/2007 9:27:25 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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I’m not up to speed on derivatives but understand they could present a serious problem in our financial system.


7 posted on 09/14/2007 9:27:30 AM PDT by vietvet67
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By buying in bulk various mortgage loans, Wall Street could take the role (and the lions share of the profits) of the bank without the inconvenience of opening branches. Banks, in turn, could keep lending endlessly, just as long as they kept refilling the pot by selling off the old loans and lending anew.

The suthor of this article has no idea what he's talking about. The first major mortgage bonds (collateralized mortgage obligations, or CMOs) were developed back in the 1980s to address a basic inefficiency in our nation's banking system -- i.e., the imbalance between banks in older regions like the Northeast and Rust Belt that had a lot of cash but were underwriting fewer mortgages and banks in fast-growing regions like the Southeast and West that had small cash reserves but a lot of demand for new mortgages.

8 posted on 09/14/2007 9:30:41 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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This article is indeed full of hilarious stuff.

A Real Estate expert explained this to me this way:

“Not too many years ago, if you borrowed money to buy a house or a car, you visited your local bank. Assuming you were approved, the money came from your bank and the follow-up (the “servicing”) was handled by that same bank. If you had a problem, you knew who you could speak with and where to find him or her. The system worked pretty well. But only greed could cause a seemingly good system to go awry. And the heart of all greediness is Wall Street, of course.

Realizing that these loans were a good investment for the banks, Wall Street decided to figure out how to take a piece of the pie.

Translation: this unnamed "real estate expert" is angry because real estate lending was once a largely-closed shop with little competition. He enjoyed having a near-monopoly in which customers had few choices in borrowing. He loved selling 15% mortgages back in the 1970s.

Then evil Wall Street types got involved, confused consumers with all these different options, and the fat mortgage margins he enjoyed fell as consumers were deceived into paying only 6 or 7 or 8% on their mortgage instead of twice as much.

9 posted on 09/14/2007 9:34:31 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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Is the author Danny Schechter your “News Dissector” from the old WBCN-FM In Boston, MA?


12 posted on 09/14/2007 9:45:24 AM PDT by RexBeach ("Americans never quit." Douglas MacArthur)
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This is my favorite part:

I was not in default and had all the documents to prove it. After one year of the mortgage company’s refusal to correct their accounting errors, I was forced to file a law suit to protect my home from an illegal foreclosure.

For the next seven (7) years (costing me more than $2 million in legal expenses and lost wages), I watched the court[s] repeatedly grant judgments in favor of the mortgage companies. These errant judgments were granted without either mortgage company presenting a scintilla of evidence to support their allegations and in stark contrast to my preponderance of evidence and material facts."

He spent $2 MILLION in legal fees? How much was his house worth? And if the courts truly ignored his mortgage payment receipts, he should have hired better lawyers. There's something more to this case than one man being abused by "the system."

16 posted on 09/14/2007 9:56:12 AM PDT by scan59 (Let consumers dictate market policies. Government just gets in the way.)
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The definition of predatory lending to me is bilking elderly people out of the remainder of their lifesavings - people who genuinely, by their advanced age and declining faculties, are taken advantage of.

But the vast majority of “suckers” are simply people who got greedy and couldn’t say “no” to instant gratification. When my wife and I bought our first house, not many years ago, we took a 30-yr fix at 6.0%. According to our various friends and colleagues, we were nuts for not getting an ARM at about a percentage point lower. Ultimately, to us, it wasn’t about scalping a percentage point for a few years and refinancing later on. It was about looking at an historically excellent fixed rate, with a payment we could afford, and knowing that we would never have to worry about unforseen problems in the marketplace. Knowing we would be able to sleep at night, regardless, was worth the extra point we would be paying in interest. It was simply good enough for us.

When we went to the closing, at the title office - I’ll never forget this - the Realtors and title officer sat in utter amazement as we actually READ the terms of the mortgage contract. They told us, “no one ever reads these contracts.” My wife and I were just like, “you’re kidding right?” They said they weren’t. People just sign away. I said, “So people are committing to massive amounts of debt without reading the fine print? Are people that stupid?” Their response was silence.

Just amazing. People inevitably make their own beds. A scant few are legitimately screwed by criminal elements, but too many people have their head in the clouds and got what was inevitable.


23 posted on 09/14/2007 10:15:27 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna)
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What about the people who lied about their income?

John


27 posted on 09/14/2007 10:29:15 AM PDT by Diggity
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Seriously, tell the truth now. Is this satire?


28 posted on 09/14/2007 10:30:49 AM PDT by Petronski (Tribe still -11 . . . Jake Westbrook is a bum.)
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“In the Bush years, tax cuts are going to the rich while the IRS is browbeating the middle class.”

I knew it would end up being Bush’s fault!


31 posted on 09/14/2007 10:45:01 AM PDT by CSM ("Dogs and beer. Proof that God loves us.- Al Gator (8/24/2007))
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The key word vandals strike again although lightly today. Like before, 'vulturegam' is a stupid signal for corrupt mortgage shills to pile on:

freshcarrion; vulturegram

33 posted on 09/14/2007 10:59:00 AM PDT by ex-Texan (Matthew 7: 1 - 6)
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Boy I hope you don’t believe any of the slop this guy’s selling...


34 posted on 09/14/2007 11:00:53 AM PDT by green iguana
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Yet this is all so true. FOLLOW THE MONEY. So many charlatans, extrememly well represented here on FR btw, made fortunes on this ponzi scheme. True the morons they used should and will pay the price of their stupidity, but the greedy abusers should have their miserable coiffed, contempible heads on pikes at the gates of Ron Reagans shining city on the hill. Same schiesh different tage


37 posted on 09/14/2007 6:51:38 PM PDT by nkycincinnatikid
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