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French FM Kouchner: 'We must prepare for war against Iran'
Jerusalem Post ^

Posted on 09/16/2007 11:48:49 AM PDT by maquiladora

The nuclear Iranian crisis forces the world "to prepare for the worst" which "is war," French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner said Sunday evening, while emphasizing that negotiations should still be the preferred course of action.

Kouchner, quoted by French daily Le Figaro, added that "Iran does whatever it pleases in Iraq ... one cannot find in the entire world a crisis greater than this one."


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: damascus; france; iran; iraniannukes; iraniantroops; iraq; jihadists; kouchner; nuclear; opecterrorists; tehran

1 posted on 09/16/2007 11:48:57 AM PDT by maquiladora
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To: maquiladora

Wow. Sarkozy’s government might be getting serious on this one...


2 posted on 09/16/2007 11:51:54 AM PDT by Toliy
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To: maquiladora

The thermometers in H-ll must be hitting new lows.

But if the French are really serious about Iran...great!


3 posted on 09/16/2007 11:54:02 AM PDT by VOA
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To: maquiladora

“Prepare for war so you don’t have to fight one” is a paraphrase of the sage wisdom of the ages.


4 posted on 09/16/2007 11:59:58 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Fred Dalton Thompson for President)
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To: NonValueAdded

The original Latin of the expression “if you want peace prepare for war” comes from “Epitoma Rei Militaris,” by Vegetius. The Latin is: “Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.”

http://ancienthistory.about.com/od/warfareconflictarmor/f/PrepareforWar.htm


5 posted on 09/16/2007 12:03:44 PM PDT by monkeycard (There is no such thing as too much ammo.)
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To: Toliy
Sarkozy’s government might be getting serious on this one...

I’ll believe it when I see it.

The French are famous for their duplicity.

6 posted on 09/16/2007 12:04:38 PM PDT by Pontiac (Patriotism is the natural consequence of having a free mind in a free society.)
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To: monkeycard
Thanks, I was too lazy to search for the quote. /serious

Whoda thunk it was a Vegetarian Principal? /kidding

7 posted on 09/16/2007 12:05:54 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Fred Dalton Thompson for President)
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To: maquiladora

The new French Government has been talking tough on Iran from Day One.

Not sure what they see has their interests there, but they probably do stand to gain if they can help broker peace in Iraq and play European bad cop on Iran. Nearly everyone in the region agrees that civil war and a stronger Iran are bad things. World insiders say that the US is too hamstrung by war politics to take a strong enough leadership role.

The French are deeply patriotic and can be very tough militarily if properly riled. They benefit by filling even a small part of the vacuum, which certainly exists at the moment.


8 posted on 09/16/2007 12:16:53 PM PDT by Wiseghy ("You want to break this army? Then break your word to it.")
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To: maquiladora
That leaves us Russia to deal with. I bet Putin continues his staunch stand over Iran—too much money to lose and surreptitious power. Once Putin started takin’ pictures with his shirt off I knew then I would probably see ww3 in my lifetime. However I hope it is all just bluster and we will be in Iran soon without all the hoopla from the 4th Reich—Russia. Blow-hards want so badly to be behind the iron curtain once again they’ll do anything. Sad.
9 posted on 09/16/2007 12:22:44 PM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: Toliy

Hail the French!! Never thought I would hear myself say this. I like it. Reminds me a bit of the old France we used to love. :-)


10 posted on 09/16/2007 12:24:13 PM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: Pontiac

Sarkozy is a different animal ..outspokenly pro American...
this will be interesting.


11 posted on 09/16/2007 12:26:02 PM PDT by donnab
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To: jveritas; FARS; Ernest_at_the_Beach; knighthawk; Marine_Uncle; SandRat; Steel Wolf; CAP; ...

Ping.


12 posted on 09/16/2007 12:29:51 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (RUN Paul - a man proudly putting al Qaeda's interest ahead of America's.)
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To: Wiseghy
The French are deeply patriotic and can be very tough militarily if properly riled.

A minority of the population. But hopefully growing under Sarkozy.

13 posted on 09/16/2007 12:30:31 PM PDT by Donald Rumsfeld Fan (NY Times: "fake but accurate")
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To: GOP Poet
Reminds me a bit of the old France we used to love. :-)

Pre-Verdun France.

14 posted on 09/16/2007 12:32:41 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: elhombrelibre

Even the French are getting ready for a war with the terrorist regime in Tehran :)


15 posted on 09/16/2007 12:37:04 PM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush)
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To: maquiladora

emphasizing that negotiations should still be the preferred course of action

emphasizing that white flags should still be the preferred course of action. There all fixed.


16 posted on 09/16/2007 1:11:18 PM PDT by bikerman (_ _ . /_ _ _ /_ . . / / . . . . / . / . _ . . / . _ _ . / / . . _ / . . . //)
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To: Pontiac

Pontiac, you are far too kind in your comments directed towards france.


17 posted on 09/16/2007 1:13:05 PM PDT by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: maquiladora

Don’t get to the conclusion too quickly.

The French are the French... Before you see one French soldier to show up for a war (Frnace does not like wars, it never wins them), we will be on autumn 2025.


18 posted on 09/16/2007 1:23:48 PM PDT by drzz
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To: Joe Boucher

Give credit were credit is due me mum used to say.


19 posted on 09/16/2007 1:26:00 PM PDT by Pontiac (Patriotism is the natural consequence of having a free mind in a free society.)
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To: maquiladora

I’d say things about to get exciting.


20 posted on 09/16/2007 2:01:05 PM PDT by JamesA
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21 posted on 09/16/2007 3:23:09 PM PDT by SJackson (isolationism never was, never will be acceptable response to[expansionist] tyrannical governments)
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To: maquiladora
The nuclear Iranian crisis forces the world "to prepare for the worst" which "is war," French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner said Sunday evening, while emphasizing that negotiations should still be the preferred course of action.

To quote the excellent song from the '60's by the "grass Roots"

Where Were You When We Needed You!

22 posted on 09/16/2007 3:39:12 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: maquiladora
Let's hope someone in Washington is paying attention to French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner on the dangerous issue of nuclear 'weapons' Iran, plus the fact Iran with terrorist cohort Syria (both armed by Russia) are responsible for murdering American troops serving in Iran.

How many more Americans must die in Iraq and Afghanistan before Washington acts firmly against Iran & Syria's dictatorships?

23 posted on 09/16/2007 4:21:44 PM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: Pontiac
" I’ll believe it when I see it.

The French are famous for their duplicity.
"

Western Europe is famous for its duplicity.

IRAN: ITALY MUST RELY ON TEHRAN TO BOOST ROLE IN MIDDLE EAST, DIPLOMAT ["Main trading partner."]
AKI (Italy) ^ | 10AUG06 | AKI (Italy)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1690564/posts
Excerpt:
"Italy is Iran's main trading partner in Europe and commercial relations between the two countries were reportedly worth five billion euros in 2005."

IRAN: D'ALEMA, SANCTIONS WOULD ESPECIALLY DAMAGE ITALY
Agenzia Giornalistica Italia, Italy ^ | 26MAY06 | Agenzia Giornalistica Italia, Italy
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1639485/posts
24 posted on 09/16/2007 4:30:48 PM PDT by familyop (U.S cbt. engr. (cbt.)--has-been, will write Duncan Hunter in)
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To: M. Espinola
"Let's hope someone in Washington is paying attention to French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner on the dangerous issue of nuclear 'weapons' Iran, plus the fact Iran with terrorist cohort Syria (both armed by Russia) are responsible for murdering American troops serving in Iran.

How many more Americans must die in Iraq and Afghanistan before Washington acts firmly against Iran & Syria's dictatorships?
"

That's a good point. Kouchner's and Sarkozy's words of new French intent are tougher than those of our President's Administration. I wonder why? Could it be that the French are already forcing their businesses to participate in the sanctions (no new Iran contracts for Gaz, Total), while our leaders' fattest constituents are terrified of paying more for import freight fuel?

International Security Advisory Board (ISAB)

The Secretary of State's International Security Advisory Board (formerly called the Arms Control and Nonproliferation Advisory Board (ACNAB)) provides the Department with independent insight and advice on all aspects of arms control, disarmament, international security, and related aspects of public diplomacy. The ISAB is sponsored and overseen by the Under Secretary for Arms Control and International Security. The Board provides its recommendations directly to the Secretary of State. The Board currently has 18 members and is chartered to have up to 25. Board members are national security experts with scientific, military, diplomatic, and political backgrounds. The Board meets in a plenary session on a quarterly basis.

Updated: August 13, 2007

Former Board Members
* Mr. Stephen Kappes, Member, September 2005 -- December 2006
* Dr. Amy Sands, Member, September 2005 -- June 2007
* Sen. Fred D. Thompson, Chairman, September 2005 -- July 2007

25 posted on 09/16/2007 4:37:55 PM PDT by familyop (U.S cbt. engr. (cbt.)--has-been, will write Duncan Hunter in)
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To: M. Espinola

Ah...I said “forcing.” ...sorry, M. The word was “urged” against taking any new contracts (Gaz, Total and others). Here’s the link.

World should brace for possible war over Iran: France
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1897461/posts


26 posted on 09/16/2007 4:42:07 PM PDT by familyop (U.S cbt. engr. (cbt.)--has-been, will write Duncan Hunter in)
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To: M. Espinola

...more info.

UPDATE 1-France says advises French firms to avoid Iran
http://uk.reuters.com/article/oilRpt/idUKL1646614620070916


27 posted on 09/16/2007 4:45:48 PM PDT by familyop (U.S cbt. engr. (cbt.)--has-been, will write Duncan Hunter in)
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To: elhombrelibre; maquiladora; FARS; SandRat; Ernest_at_the_Beach
Sure looks like the arguments for taking out the Mullahs is in a new phase. When the Germans indicated no further sanctions would really do much good, and now the French are saying war is eminent if the Mullahs do not mend their ways, it looks like the green light is in place to have the button pushed. And though I feel the JP article shown elsewhere revealing said 2K targets etc., was very irresponsible unless the blessing where given to post it for psycops reasons, perhaps the days of the Mullahs are really numbered at this point.
From the political viewpoint, GWB could easily say, he has little option but to strike for the long term welfare of much of the world (oil supplies, ME stability, etc.).
And in this fray, we know a number of a bit more responsible at least in partial public displays, Democrats, would not huff and puff to much if we where to take Iran's nuclear and military machine out permenantly.
With that. I have to hit the sack. Been up since 4PM with 12 hours of at work time. 3:30AM and being at work at 5AM is upon me.
28 posted on 09/16/2007 6:50:55 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Duncan Hunter for POTUS)
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To: Marine_Uncle

Sleep tight and sleep deeply.

Be well


29 posted on 09/16/2007 8:43:33 PM PDT by FARS ( Good Thoughts (lead to) Good Words, (which together) lead to Good Deeds)
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To: DuncanWaring

Reminds me of an ad I saw recently for a WWII era French Rifle for sale...

Never fired, dropped once....


30 posted on 09/16/2007 9:06:13 PM PDT by Schwaeky (The Republic--Shall be reorganized into the first American EMPIRE, for a safe and secure Society!)
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To: maquiladora; nctexan; MassachusettsGOP; paudio; ronnie raygun; Minette; fieldmarshaldj; BillyBoy; ..

Bernard Kouchner and his boss, SuperSarko, seem to be very much ahead of the game.


31 posted on 09/16/2007 9:20:08 PM PDT by Cincinna (HILLARY & HER HINO :: Keep the Arkansas Grifters out of the White house.)
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To: Cincinna
If France is so upfront about War against Iran, other European countries would find it difficult to "pull Chirac or Schroeder."

By the way, has De Villepin been indicted yet?

32 posted on 09/16/2007 9:34:45 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, chia head, ppogri, In Grim Reaper we trust)
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To: monkeycard
" “Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.”"

Id est, "The best defense is a good offense."

Seems to me GW and Sarkozy did more at that Kennebunkport BBQ than munch burgers.

Sarko might just give the troops a little urban warfare training during the upcoming strikes.

yitbos

33 posted on 09/16/2007 9:39:31 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." -- Ayn Rand)
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To: maquiladora
I know it’s a wait and see thing with the French. Always has been and always will be.

But they appear to have more of a spine than we do in this country if one believes the polls and I seen no reason not to other than their samples are skewed. Still the American Sheeple voted in a bunch a spineless idiots into Congress in 2006 so that tells me the polls were not to far off.

IF the French are truly serious, more power to them.

Obviously if Hillary gets elected and with Brown taking over in Britain someone will have to fill the vacuum.

34 posted on 09/16/2007 9:44:35 PM PDT by The South Texan (The Drive By Media is America's worst enemy and American people don't know it.)
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To: familyop
If the French justice system is any indication, I would bet the DGSE will know how to handle the moolas when given the green light (green light? think "Greenpeace, Rainbow Warrior, NZ"). France has considerable assets in Iran.

yitbos

35 posted on 09/16/2007 9:56:53 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." -- Ayn Rand)
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To: bikerman
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36 posted on 09/16/2007 9:57:24 PM PDT by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: Cincinna

They don’t have to play the political games our leaders have to for the next year or so until the election is over.


37 posted on 09/16/2007 11:31:34 PM PDT by Nextrush (Proudly uncommitted in the 2008 race for president for now)
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To: GOP Poet

Foch and Jaujard would be proud.


38 posted on 09/16/2007 11:35:54 PM PDT by Stonewall Jackson (The Hunt for FRed November. 11/04/08)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

You might have missed this

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1896327/posts

The weasel is out on $250,000 bail.


39 posted on 09/17/2007 12:42:54 AM PDT by Cincinna (HILLARY & HER HINO :: Keep the Arkansas Grifters out of the White house.)
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To: maquiladora

This is not only about Iran but the militant Islamic fundamentalists already in France. Sarko knows that France will be target number 1 in Europe when it comes to inciting violence and rebellion within his country. France has a vested interest in what happens in Iran and finally, a French leader understands that.


40 posted on 09/17/2007 6:02:28 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Cincinna; TigerLikesRooster; AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; ..

Thanks Cincinna.


41 posted on 09/17/2007 7:11:00 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Wednesday, September 12, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: familyop
Thanks for those links. What you said is true, the oil factor is a factor. It's scaring the White House as well as Number 10 into down playing the expanding Iranian & Syrian threats which are being promoted by Moscow pumping both terrorist instigating dictatorships with weapons, 'advisers' and in Tehran's case, more 'nuclear fuel' being supplied .

With crude oil hovering at $80 a barrel, coupled with a very nervous energy market, a full scale expansion of the current war against Jihad Inc (Iraq/Afghanistan) involving Syria, Iran, Hamas, Hezballah - and the wild card, the Russians, against US , Israel, the UK and the remaining allies in Iraq, oil would surely double on panic trading, especially once the Iranians (unless prevented) began targeting missile attacks into Saudi Arabia, coupled with major disruptions of oil shipments exiting from the Persian Gulf all of which shall compound the subprime/banking/credit problems, which in the UK are becoming worse.

Northern Rock customers grab savings as bank's shares tumble

The risk of continuing non-action is the Iranians get workable nukes, share them with Syria (which seems to be under way already via N.Korea or the Russians) and then there is a far more frightening geostrategic nightmare and global economic quagmire

Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner

New York oil price climbs back to record high

Iran: Fuel Ready For Bushehr

Is war with Iran inevitable?

Prepare for Iranian response Past experience shows Iran likely to retaliate for Syria incident

42 posted on 09/17/2007 10:44:13 AM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: familyop
She just broke through another record high:

Crude Oil Rises to Record $80.50 on Signs of Interest-Rate Cut

43 posted on 09/17/2007 10:50:32 AM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: Stonewall Jackson
:-)

I repost the Foch & Jaujard quotes you posted on a previous thread back in August as they are fitting and definitely noteworthy. (found on Google of all places. I hope you don't mind.)

I would be honored to make two men such as this proud.

My right has been rolled up. My left has been driven back. My center has been smashed. The situation is excellent. I am attacking! - Field Marshal Ferdinand Foch at the First Battle of the Marne

Our peace must be a peace of victors, not of the vanquished. - Field Marshal Foch before the Treaty of Versailles was signed

This is not a peace. It is an armistice for 20 years. - Field Marshal Fosh after the Treaty of Versailles was signed

Soon we shall be engaged in battle. To drive the enemy out, we must fire on our homeland. This is the price of liberty. Vive le France! - Rear Admiral Robert Jaujard off Normandy

44 posted on 09/17/2007 11:02:11 AM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: kabar
France has a vested interest in what happens in Iran and finally, a French leader understands that.

Yep. Finally someone there sees that "Anglification" of the French language and worries over the effect of McDonalds and Starbucks on traditional French cuisine just might not be the most grievous threats facing the French people.

Vive La France! Vive la Liberté!

45 posted on 09/17/2007 11:10:48 AM PDT by Charles Martel (The Tree of Liberty thirsts.)
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To: GOP Poet
I don't mind at all. Foch and Jaujard were two of the best military leaders to come out of France in the 20th Century.

DeGaulle would also be considered, if he had stuck to being a military leader instead of diving into politics.

46 posted on 09/17/2007 11:16:48 AM PDT by Stonewall Jackson (The Hunt for FRed November. 11/04/08)
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To: FARS

I’ll try. Thanks.


47 posted on 09/17/2007 5:37:11 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Duncan Hunter for POTUS)
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To: Cincinna; All

Thanks for the ping. Good news! Interesting thread. Thanks to all contributors.


48 posted on 09/17/2007 5:48:32 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: M. Espinola
"Thanks for those links. What you said is true, the oil factor is a factor. It's scaring the White House as well as Number 10 into down playing the expanding Iranian & Syrian threats which are being promoted by Moscow pumping both terrorist instigating dictatorships with weapons, 'advisers' and in Tehran's case, more 'nuclear fuel' being supplied."

Thank you very much for the links that you added!
49 posted on 09/18/2007 1:53:22 AM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt.)--has-been, will write Duncan Hunter in)
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