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Stocks Soar After Half-Point Rate Cut
Yahoo - AP ^ | 9-18-07 | Madlen Read

Posted on 09/18/2007 2:43:25 PM PDT by Always Right

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To: finnman69
I am curious, what happens when all of those European funds with lots of US$ demonminated CDO's get wind of the fact that Bernanke is willing to tank the $. I can see a few possibilities. One, the easy one is that they simply stop buying any more of the stuff, which in itself will tighten credit. Second, they try selling what they can which will tank the dollar even more. Third, they hedge their holdings by selling $ futures, which will also tank the $. If I sit in Europe and want to sell $ futures denominated in Euros, who is going to be the counterparty?

Unless of courese, the ECB wants to avoid this all by selling Euros and buying dollars. Can they buy enough $?

21 posted on 09/18/2007 4:00:19 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: Always Right
"I am happy. Homebuiders are happy. Banks are happy. Homeowners are happy. Stock investors are happy. Lots of happy folks."

Bernanke cuts a couple of rates .5%. 90 seconds later the YTD increase on my equity portfolio advances 19%. Thank you Mr. B. Time to take some profits, pay 15% capital gains before Hillary is elected.

yitbos

22 posted on 09/18/2007 4:04:30 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." -- Ayn Rand)
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To: RockinRight
Um, the 50% who can sell their houses, and the 80% who have jobs?
23 posted on 09/18/2007 5:53:45 PM PDT by oblomov
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To: presidio9

I made 4%+ in my portfolio today on gold, oil, shipping, foreign bank stocks, and of course, my trading position in Gol-damn Sachs.


24 posted on 09/18/2007 5:57:05 PM PDT by oblomov
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25 posted on 09/18/2007 6:56:05 PM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: finnman69

End of October is when we will see the disaster from the decision. The funds will close the books with cash in hand and never look back with all hell breaking loose. I would be out of the market by October for sure and into commodities.


26 posted on 09/18/2007 7:24:12 PM PDT by Orange1998
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To: Orange1998

We have not even hit the peak ARM adjustments. Next month $50 Billion of them are due to reset at a 10% or higher increase in required monthly payment.

And I bet most are linked to LIBOR, which will be unaffected by the fed cut. Homes are still overpriced by a good 20% in many markets. Some markets are already back to 2003 prices.


27 posted on 09/18/2007 7:37:50 PM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: oblomov

You wouldn’t be tooting this horn if you found out you were one of the unemployed.


28 posted on 09/18/2007 7:48:00 PM PDT by RockinRight (Can we start calling Fred "44" now, please?)
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To: RockinRight

Are you implying that the Fed should act to keep GDP positive, no matter the consequences for the value of the USD?

I don’t think that recessions are necessarily a bad thing, even if I lose my job. The long-term prosperity of the country is too important to justify monetary bailouts for hedge funds and Ponzi households.


29 posted on 09/18/2007 8:24:04 PM PDT by oblomov
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To: Petronski
Big fat PING for Captain Hyperbole!

Hank

30 posted on 09/18/2007 8:29:01 PM PDT by County Agent Hank Kimball (Well, really just plain Hank Kimball. Well, not "just plain" Hank Kimball, just Hank Kimball....)
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To: oblomov

Why is a Fed cut a bailout if an increase isn’t an intentional crunch? Why is it one way and not the other?


31 posted on 09/18/2007 8:50:31 PM PDT by RockinRight (Can we start calling Fred "44" now, please?)
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To: AndyJackson

Foreign buyers may still buy long American debt, but they will demand an inflation premium like in the 70s. Then the full effect of the Bernanke Put will become evident.


32 posted on 09/18/2007 8:58:18 PM PDT by Pelham (The DREAM Act, amnesty by stealth + chain migration)
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To: RockinRight

>>Why is it one way and not the other?

It isn’t. An increase is an intentional crunch, which is what the Fed should do to get inflation under control.

Actually, what should happen is that the Fed should be abolished, and interest rates should find their market price without attempts at countercyclical monetary policy. It won’t happen, but it should happen.


33 posted on 09/18/2007 9:00:14 PM PDT by oblomov
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To: Always Right
Some people don't understand how tightening money supply and raising rates were the real cause of the Great Depression.

It's always fascinating to see yet one more "real cause of the Great Depression."

We can put that idea in the ring with the contraction of the 20's credit boom, the collapse of rural banks, the Smoot-Hawley Tariff, the collapse of margin in the stock market, and let it duke it out for the title of "The One Real Cause".

34 posted on 09/18/2007 9:04:20 PM PDT by Pelham (The DREAM Act, amnesty by stealth + chain migration)
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To: finnman69

Don’t spoil the party. Bernanke just spiked the koolaid, so drink up.


35 posted on 09/18/2007 9:06:36 PM PDT by Pelham (The DREAM Act, amnesty by stealth + chain migration)
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To: oblomov

The second point I agree with.


36 posted on 09/18/2007 9:08:15 PM PDT by RockinRight (Can we start calling Fred "44" now, please?)
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To: Pelham
It's always fascinating to see yet one more "real cause of the Great Depression." We can put that idea in the ring with the contraction of the 20's credit boom, the collapse of rural banks, the Smoot-Hawley Tariff, the collapse of margin in the stock market, and let it duke it out for the title of "The One Real Cause".

The cause was the over tightening of the money supply in response to the boom. Smoot-Hawley did not help, but it in no way the cause. If the fed had allowed enough money into the economy, we could have recovered.

37 posted on 09/19/2007 12:51:31 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: Always Right

I’ll join the tear-jerkers. I just want to go on record as a bear on one of these threads, so that when the Market does a repeat of 200-2001, I can say “I told you so”. Hope I don’t have to eat crow. Or dollars. But then, my dollars are less filling than they were 50bp ago...

I see all these bulls acting like we are in the midst of a recovery, rather than being atop a recovery born on the shoulders of easy money and rampant consumer spending bouyed by consumers with their heads in the sand, spending paper profits from fake, temporary housing appreciation.

Consumer confidence is going to go down with the death of housing, dragging consumer spending and tanking that resulting 70% GDP. The market may not tank as deeply as 2000-2001, but I am guessing the chart will look similar.

Just my 2 worthless cents. I’m not as unhappy that I am on the sidelines with cash waiting to get back into the market after the fall, as I am unhappy to see the Fed just drag out the duration and increase the magnitude of the pain. Again, just my 2 cents.

So put me down with the rest of the grumpy, tear-stained bears...


38 posted on 09/19/2007 1:30:36 AM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free
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To: Always Right

Why are renters deeply saddened?

Mortgage rates on 30 year fixed loans for those with good credit just went down 50bp. Now we just have to wait until housing prices bottom out as well. As Hovnanian’s 20% fire sale shows, home prices have a looooong way to fall yet for us renters with cash looking to buy a home. I hope the Fed cuts another 100bp before I decide to buy a reset foreclosure.


39 posted on 09/19/2007 1:35:38 AM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free
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To: RockinRight
Who will have any dollars if 50% of the population can’t sell their homes and 20% have no jobs due to the worldwide depression that could have resulted had liquidity not been injected?

In the Fed's confidence game, nothing is more important than confidence.

What we saw yesterday was an attempt to restore confidence.

It will fail because psychology has been irrevocably shifted in the past 5 weeks after the toxicity of high asset prices was exposed for all to see.

The emperor haveth no clothes.


BUMP

40 posted on 09/19/2007 2:27:10 AM PDT by capitalist229 (ANDS)
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