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U.S. Spy Chief: 9/11 'Could Have Been Prevented'
ABC ^ | September 19, 2007

Posted on 09/18/2007 10:14:11 PM PDT by ZacandPook

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The title says it all.
1 posted on 09/18/2007 10:14:14 PM PDT by ZacandPook
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To: ZacandPook

They just figured that out?


2 posted on 09/18/2007 10:16:07 PM PDT by rockrr (Global warming is to science what Islam is to religion)
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To: ZacandPook

We must learn from history or we are doomed to repeat it.

Six years after the anthrax attacks, it’s important to take the time to “connect the dots” of the anthrax mailings.

http://www.anthraxandalqaeda.com


3 posted on 09/18/2007 10:16:22 PM PDT by ZacandPook
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To: rockrr
They just figured that out?

We are talking about the government.
4 posted on 09/18/2007 10:18:02 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: ZacandPook

Tell us about Clinton’s ‘virtual obsession’ with OBL paired with his emperical revulsion at taking him in alive for questioning - which he was offered many times.


5 posted on 09/18/2007 10:20:03 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: ZacandPook
Why is this news?

But for the Jamie Gorelick directive, we could have put the pieces together. Now the democrats want to undo what the patriot act did.

6 posted on 09/18/2007 10:21:05 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: ZacandPook

Maybe they should talk to Jamie Gorelick and Socks Burglar.


7 posted on 09/18/2007 10:23:09 PM PDT by Waryone (Constantly amazed by society's downhill slide.)
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To: ZacandPook
Of course it "Could" have been prevented. So could have Pearl Harbor and even the genocide that followed our abandonment of Viet Nam. 20/20 hindsight is always pretty clear.

I clearly recall the weeks leading up to 9/11 as we were hearing warnings of increased terrorist activity, but overseas was placed on high alert, not here at home.

America's long lasting complacency once again let us be caught with our pants down.

A lot of people have a share of blame in that, but the ones I pin most on is the Clinton's for their 8 years of lackluster performance in combatting terror. Their domestic policies didn't help either.

Any child can see that it "could" have been prevented. Now, the question is, what do we do to make sure it never happens again?

My answer to that is to view each candidate running for POTUS very closley and choose who has the strongest anti-terror stance. I believe that person to be Duncan Hunter

8 posted on 09/18/2007 10:23:17 PM PDT by DakotaRed (Liberals don't rattle sabers, they wave white flags)
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To: ZacandPook
Director of National Intelligence Says U.S. Didn't Connect Available Information

Duh! We knew that before the end of 2002.

9 posted on 09/18/2007 10:23:54 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Support Scouting: Raising boys to be strong men and politically incorrect at the same time.)
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To: Mr. Silverback

This must be a rerun.


10 posted on 09/18/2007 10:26:33 PM PDT by JennysCool (Don't taze me, Bro!)
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To: txflake

Yes, and note that while everyone focused on the July 2001 Presidential Daily Brief about the planned attacks, the CIA provided the same briefing to President Clinton on December 4, 1998. A copy has been provided in the 9/11 report but was overlooked by the media. The PDB explained that Islambouli, the brother of Sadat’s assassin was planning the attacks. Gertz has explained that Islambouli, a close friend of blind sheik Abdel-Rahman, was in a cell with KSM.

On July 4, 1993, United States Postal employee Ahmed Abdel Sattar spoke to the press about Abdel Rahman’s arrest and said “we haven’t decided the time or place, but our Muslim community will demonstrate its outrage at the arrest of the Sheik.” In the indictment of the Staten Island Post Office employee who worshipped in Brooklyn, the United States government alleged that following his arrest, Abdel Rahman, in a message to his followers recorded while he was in prison, urged: “Oh Muslims! Oh Muslims! ... It is a duty upon all the Muslims around the world to free the Sheikh, and to rescue him from his jail.” Referring to the United States, he implored, “Muslims everywhere, dismember their nation, tear them apart, ruin their economy, provoke their corporations, destroy their embassies, attack their interests, sink their ships, and shoot down their planes, kill them on land, at sea, and in the air. Kill them wherever you find them.” His list is a pretty concise summary of the terrorist actions taken over the next decade.

The tactic of lethal letters delivered by the US Post Office — although not mentioned in this list by Abdel-Rahman - - was not merely the modus operandi of the militant islamists inspired by Abdel-Rahman, it was their signature. The islamists sent letter bombs in late December 1996 from Alexandria, Egypt to newspaper offices in New York City and Washington, D.C. and people in symbolic positions. Musical Christmas cards apparently postmarked in Alexandria, Egypt on December 21, 1996 contained improvised explosive devices. The bombs were mailed on the Night of Decree or Night of Measures. The letters were sent in connection with the earlier bombing of the World Trade Center and the imprisonment of the blind sheik, Sheik Abdel Rahman. The former leader of the Egyptian Al-Gamaa al-Islamiya (”Islamic Group”), Abdel-Rahman was also a spiritual leader of Al Qaeda.

The letter bombs were sent in connection with the treatment of the Egyptian islamists imprisoned for the earlier attack on the WTC and a related plot. The purpose of the letter bombs — which resulted in minimal casualty — was to send a message. (There initially was an outstanding $2 million reward — under the rewards for justice program, the reward now is up to $5 million.) There was no claim of responsibility. There was no explanation. Once one had been received, the next ten, mailed on two separate dates, were easily collected. Sound familiar? Two bombs were also sent to Leavenworth, where a key WTC 1993 defendant was imprisoned, addressed to “Parole Officer.” (The position does not exist).

The FBI suspected the Vanguards of Conquest, a mysterious group led by Egyptian Islamic Jihad head Ayman Zawahiri. The group can be thought of as either the military wing of the Egyptian Islamic Jihad or perhaps just EIJ by another name. It is sometimes known as the New Jihad. Yassir Al-Sirri was the Egyptian Islamic Jihad/ Vanguards of Conquest publicist and worked out of his London-based home while on the public dole. Another group under suspicion for the mailings was the Egyptian Islamic Group. The blind sheik Abdel Rahman simultaneously was the spiritual leader of Al Qaeda, Egyptian Islamic Group and Egyptian Islamic Jihad/Vanguards of Conquest. The next month, on February 12, 1997, the Islamic Group, for its part, issued a statement: “The Islamic Group declares all American interests legitimate targets to its legitimate “jihad until the release of al prisoners, on top of whom is Abdel Rahman.”

Abdel-Rahman’s friend, Ayman Zawahiri, was head of Al Qaeda’s biochemical program and the blind sheik’s son. Mohammed was on Al Qaeda’s three- member WMD committee. Ayman named his biochem program Zabadi or “Curdled Milk.” The CIA has known of Zawahiri’s plans to use anthrax since July 1998, when the CIA seized a disc from Ayman Zawahiri’s right-hand, Ahmed Mabruk during his arrest outside a restaurant by the CIA in Baku, Azerbaijan. At the time, Mabruk was the head of Jihad’s military operations. Mabruk was handed over to Egyptian authorities. A close associate and former cellmate in Dagestan in 1996, Mabruk would be at Ayman’s side while Ayman would fall to his knees during trial and weep and invoke Allah. Their captors reportedly did not know the true identity of the prisoners. The CIA refused to give the FBI Mabruk’s laptop. FBI’s Bin Laden expert John O’Neill, head of the FBI’s New York office, tried to get around this by sending an agent to Azerbaijan to get copies of the computer files from the Azerbaijan government. The FBI finally got the files after O’Neill persuaded President Clinton to personally appeal to the president of Azerbaijan for the computer files. FBI Special Agent Dan Coleman would later describe the laptop as the “Rosetta Stone of Al Qaeda.” O’Neill died on 9/11 in his role as head of World Trade Center security. He died with the knowledge that Ayman Zawahiri planned to attack US targets with anthrax — and that Zawahiri does not make a threat that he does not intend to try to keep.


11 posted on 09/18/2007 10:28:52 PM PDT by ZacandPook
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To: Alas Babylon!; American_Centurion; An.American.Expatriate; ASA.Ranger; ASA Vet; Atigun; Ax; ...
Hillary Campaign Update........ping.

DNI?

Never heard of him.
12 posted on 09/18/2007 10:29:46 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (Keelhauling is a sensible solution to mutiny.)
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To: ZacandPook
OMG, lol, most knew this the minute the 2nd plane hit.

Good grief, what a bunch of navel gazing, sniveling crap.

13 posted on 09/18/2007 10:30:11 PM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: ZacandPook

TGS! Omg. What on earth have you been up to.


14 posted on 09/18/2007 10:33:54 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: ZacandPook

MIDI - FLOWERS ON THE WALL http://members.tripod.com/~gloco/music6.html

There’s a reason that we had been so vulnerable
For eight long years Bill Clinton slung it...of it, he’s full
He refused to do the job that he was sent to do
Though you’re not an intern, we can still say it — he has screwed you too

Clinton knew about it all...while Gorelick built the wall
She said do not share intel...hey, Gorelick, this thing smells
Bill spent his time dropping trousers...he could not resist
And he ignored...ignored terrorists

So far Gorelick thinks she got a pass on the whole thing
Sorry, Jamie, lots of trouble we are gonna bring
You will pay for what you’ve done...you can’t hide anymore
Get your umbrella, it’s getting cloudy...when it rains, it pours

Clinton knew about it all...while Gorelick built the wall
She said do not share intel...hey, Gorelick, this thing smells
Bill spent his time dropping trousers...he could not resist
And he ignored...ignored terrorists

Al Qaeda grew while Billy Boy pretended all was fine
It’s a law enforcement matter...that had been the line
He refused to pay attention when he read reports
So here’s the solution, file the papers...we’ll take them to court

Clinton knew about it all...while Gorelick built the wall
She said do not share intel...hey, Gorelick, this thing smells
Bill spent his time dropping trousers...he could not resist
And he ignored...ignored terrorists
He ignored...ignored terrorists...he ignored...ignored terrorists


15 posted on 09/18/2007 10:34:06 PM PDT by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: ZacandPook
This kind of speculation does no darn good, except to allow ABC News to take another Left-handed swipe at George W. Bush. The "root cause" of the 9/11 attacks was a willful suspension of disbelief on the part of too many in our Government that that a bunch of pissant terrorists would actually attack the Homeland of the world's only superpower. In short, the same fatal combination of wishful thinking and arrogance that led to Pearl Harbor.
16 posted on 09/18/2007 10:38:04 PM PDT by pawdoggie
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To: txflake

The “Presidential Daily Brief” on December 4, 1998 to President Clinton, titled “Bin Ladin Preparing to Hijack US Aircraft and Other Attacks,” states: “1. Reporting [ redacted ] suggests Bin Ladin and his allies are preparing for attacks in the US, including an aircraft hijacking to obtain the release of Shaykh Umar ‘Abd al-Rahman, Ramzi Yousef, and Muhammad Sidiq Awda’” Awda was al-Hawali’s fellow radical Saudi sheik who was detained from 1994 through 1998. US Sheik Al-Timimi drafted letter for al-Hawali and had it hand-delivered to members of Congress on first anniversary of anthrax letters to Senators. Sheik Abdel-Rahman, Awda and al-Hawali were all expressly the subject of Bin Laden’s 1996 declaration of war against the US.

The December 1998 PDB continued: “One source quoted a senior member of Gama’ at al-Islamiyya (IG) saying that, as of October, the IG had completed planning an operation in the US on behalf of bin Ladin, but that the operation was on hold. A senior Bin Ladin operative from Saudi Arabia was to visit IG counterparts in the US soon thereafter to discuss options — perhaps including an aircraft hijacking.” The December 4, 1998 PDB stated: “IG leader Islambouli in late September was planning to hijack a US airliner during the “next couple of weeks” to free ‘Abd al-Rahman and the other prisoners, according to what may be a different source.” Islambouli was the brother of Sadat’s assassin. Islambouli is still at large and is working with Zawahiri. He can be thought of as the leader of those IG members who support Al Qaeda.

That very day, CIA’s George Tenet issued a directive to several CIA officials: “We are at war. I want no resources or people spared in this effort, either inside CIA or the Community.” The message in invisible ink read: Post on FreeRepublic if you need to in order to circumvent any initial missteps by the FBI.

The younger brother of Sadat’s assassin, Mohammed, had gone to Pakistan where he had joined Al Qaeda and run a camp. Islambouli operated in Afghanistan and had good connections in Pakistan. He worked for Maktab al-Khidmat (Bureau of Services) in Peshawar. When the blind sheik visited Peshawar, he would stay at a large house outside of Peshawar with both Islambouli and Ayman. Islambouli had an Algerian passport. He left Peshawar, Pakistan for Afghanistan in Spring 1993 upon a crackdown on foreign fighters. In more recent years he reportedly spent some time living in Algeria. Midhat Mursi had connections to Algerians. Perhaps there was a connection between Midhat Mursi and Islambouli.

In his introduction on an August 2006 tape, Al-Zawahiri said the Egyptian group was led by Mohammed al-Islambouli, the younger brother of Khaled al-Islambouli, the militant who assassinated Egyptian President Anwar al-Sadat in 1981. It was the detention of the assassin’s younger brother, who now claims to lead this faction of the Egyptian Islamic Group merging with Al Qaeda, that had motivated the assassin to seize an opportunity presented to kill Sadat on October 6, 1981. Sadat was killed during the annual Armed Forces parade celebrating Egypt’s successful attack on Israel in 1973. The militants objected to his signing the Camp David Agreement establishing a peace between Israel and Egypt. The assassin was promptly tried, sentenced to death, and executed. Al Qaeda chose the dates of the approval of that agreement and Sadat’s assassination to send the anthrax letters.

The Al Qaeda spymaster Al-Hakayma appeared on the tape. Al-Hakayma was once a “second tier” leader of the original Gamaa, Cairo lawyer Montasser al-Zayat told Al-Jazeera. In front of a grove of palm trees, he announced that the Egyptian Islamic Group had joined Al Qaeda. Al-Hakayma said former members had decided to revive the group and rejected the imprisoned leaders’ adherence to a truce. He vowed loyalty to Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman. This was a controversial announcement because the shura members of the group had all announced violence against innocents and dissolved their military wing. A message posted on the Egyptian Islamic Group website in Arabic specifically denied that the blind sheik Abdel Rahman is with the breakaway group: “It is well known [he] was and still is one of the staunchest supporters” of the renunciation of violence. The head of the shura, in his first interview since his release in 2003, told al Jazeera that Zawahiri was lying. One Egyptian Islamic Group leader told Al Jazeera from Germany that support for the merger was limited: “If [some] brothers ... have joined, then this is their personal view and I don’t think that most ... members share that same opinion.”

It was notable that the person making the announcement, Al-Hakayma, was the Al Qaeda spymaster, an Egyptian Islamic Group member himself, who had summarized the Amerithrax investigation in a 2002 treatise on US intelligence apparatus. Al-Hakayma says in the interview that a group of hardliners from Al Jamaa Al Islamiya had joined Al Qaeda, “to help our great scholar, His Eminence the unshakeable Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman, languishing in the dungeons of the American prisons, and to repel the attacking enemy which is occupying the countries of the Muslims.”


17 posted on 09/18/2007 10:40:11 PM PDT by ZacandPook
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To: P-Marlowe

Gorelick fashioned “the Wall” at the Clintons’ command because they wanted to impede investigations into “Chinagate” and “Lippogate”, etc. Those scumbags are covered head to toe with the blood of 3,000 Americans.


18 posted on 09/18/2007 10:41:59 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: doug from upland
Gorelick built the wall,

and 911 happened

19 posted on 09/18/2007 10:42:22 PM PDT by TYVets (God so loved the world he didn't send a committee)
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To: rockrr
They just figured that out?

Wow, ABC News is really ahead of the curve on this stuff, aren't they?

20 posted on 09/18/2007 10:44:57 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: ZacandPook; ALOHA RONNIE

Had the powers-that-be paid attention to Rick Rescorla (war hero, Ia Drang Vietnam) the WTC tragedy on 9/11 could most certainly have been avoided.

RIP Rick Rescorla, WTC 2
RIP Alan Beavan, Flite 93 (Kiwi)
RIP Todd Beamer, Flite 93

Heroes all.

NEVER FORGET. NEVER FORGIVE. NEVER QUIT.

*DieHard*


21 posted on 09/18/2007 10:45:16 PM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghill mi do dhuine. Fg am bealach.)
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To: ZacandPook
"Yeah, that translates to negligence," charged committee chairman John Conyers, D-Mich.

Conyers, you vicious lying SCUM - you and your fellow Demagogues bear the overwhelming burden of responsibility for setting up the policies and bureaucratic climate in which it was too difficult to "connect the dots" -- and scumbags like Conyers continue to do so to this day, with vicious intemperate attacks on many reasonable govt. efforts to improve the collection, analysis, and dissemination of terrorist-related intel. Let's talk about 8 years of Clintonista incompetence and worse when you start talking about "negligence" Mr. Conyers.

Conyers represents the worst kind of liberal scum in our govt., continually undermining our security yet viciously attacking those who are trying to do the real intel and military work to protect us.
22 posted on 09/18/2007 10:45:21 PM PDT by Enchante (Reid and Pelosi Defeatocrats: Surrender Now - Peace for Our Time!!)
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To: Enchante

Ditto. Conyers is genuine scum.


23 posted on 09/18/2007 10:47:08 PM PDT by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: Enchante
Speaking of negligence, you should see Conyers district!

This racist anti-American scum lives high on the hog, while his constituents die on the vine, year after year.

24 posted on 09/18/2007 10:50:49 PM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: pawdoggie; txflake

I agree, pawdoggie, and above in the thread point to the December 4, 1998 Presidential Daily Brief from the CIA to President Clinton about the attack using aircraft being planned by the still-at-large Islambouli (in a cell with KSM), the brother of Sadat’s assassin.

Let’s try to connect the most recent “dots” that have surfaced regarding Amerithrax in 2007 based on the sketchy reports publicly available — avoiding any naive view that Al Qaeda did not have talented scientists available to it, in the US, UK, Pakistan and elsewhere. I have uploaded the correspondence between one such scientist and Ayman that the DIA gave me. The scientist had infiltrated Porton Down-sponsored conferences and consulted about anthrax weaponization tricks.

  An exclusive September 2007 Associated Press, article quoted one hearing before the Combat Status Review Tribunal and quoted an allegation against Rahmatullah Sangaryar, who stood accused of “planning biological and poison attacks on United States and coalition forces in Kandahar, Afghanistan” and of possessing anthrax powder and a liquid poison.” The article reports that “the Afghan detainee said he was captured only with muddy clothes, possessed no anthrax and never planned such an attack.”

   “Do you know of anyone who would accuse you of such an act? This is so serious,” the hearing officer said. “I am trying to understand why it is here in front of me, this allegation against you.”

  Rahmatullah Sangaryar was the former military commander for Kabul.

Amerithrax Agents checked the Kabul area in May 2004 but came up empty, sources told the Washington Post. In November of that year, on additional information, agents spent weeks searching an area in the Kandahar mountains, several hundred miles outside of Kabul, but again found nothing. This information came from a Gitmo detainee — you guessed it, from Kabul military commander Rahmatullah Sangaryar. The FBI posited that the anthrax had been weaponized in the US and then brought to Afghanistan.

What do we think we know about Rahmatullah Sangaryar? Knowing that might help us trace back the connection to the source of the processing in the US. Juxtapose this information about Rahmatullah Sangaryar with the report (in a press conference by a veteran Afghan governor) about the Taliban information minister being captured with packets of anthrax for use against government officials.

* When the detainee was very young he joined the Mujahadeen to fight the Soviet Union.

* The detainee is trained in the use of hand grenades, rocket propelled grenades, the AK-47 and the Sakil machine gun.

* The detainee met with Mullah Mohammed Omar, the Supreme Leader of the Taliban, on only one occasion in Kandahar, Afghanistan.

* The detainee was identified as being assigned to a 40-man team of fighters.

* The 40-man team was funded primarily by Pakistani and Syrian Non-Government Organizations with some times [sic] to al Qaida.

* The detainee was reported as being named the new Director of Hezb-E-Islami Gulbuddin [sic] cell operations in Kandahar, Afghanistan. [redacted from memo but clear on transcript]

* The detainee commanded over 500 Taliban soldiers in Kabul.

* The detainee fought the Northern Alliance and the Taliban as the Supreme Commander in Kabul.

* The detainee survived approximately 18 bullet wounds that apparently occurred during the Russian Jihad and during his time as a Taliban Commander.

* The detainee was told he would be turned over to the United States to provide information about enemies of the Afghanistan Government.

* The detainee believes he was handed over to the United States Government to provide intelligence information and not for suspicion of being a terrorist.

* The detainee collected weapons from his tribesmen and turned over six small cars, one truck, two mounted anti-aircraft weapons, 39 Kalashnikovs, two RPG-7s, four PKs, two 82 series machine guns and six handheld radios to the regional Governor.

* When the United States captured Kabul, the detainee dissolved his forces and turned over his weapons and communication equipment to the new Afghanistan Government.

          In January 2007, a Taliban spokesman was captured. An Afghanistan governor says his residence contained anthrax powder packets. According to a report by the Aghan Islamic Press Agency, as monitored by the BBC. the powdered anthrax was intended for mailing to government officials. The former Taliban spokesman quietly told a camera that he was “on a mission” when he was arrested.

          The fellow who reportedly had “anthrax powder packets” had been living in Peshawar. Muhammad Hanif’s real name is Abdulhaq Haji Gulroz. Is this young guy mentioned above Qari Mullah Din Muhammad Hanif, the former madrassa-trained Minister of Education who wouldn’t let the medical school use cadavers? (That was a good thing, given that the school didn’t have electricity) Is he a “Dr.” If so, what kind? The former education minister had not received a secular education and oversaw the medical school. A veterinary student in September 2001 said they had nothing in the way of facilities or equipment. It was the Agriculture Minister who had taken a keen interest in supervising the Red Cross/FAO-funded anthrax vaccine laboratory. Yazid Sufaat did his anthrax work, he says, as part of a Taliban medical brigade. A building associated with the charity WAFA housed a lab, and WAFA was a militant supporter of the Taliban. So while we await lab tests and further clarification or confirmation, this sketchy report about anthrax powder packets is certainly intriguing. But given the low level of sophistication of facilities in Afghanistan, it makes perfect sense that it was weaponized in the US and then brought to Afghanistan. The anthrax used in the anthrax attacks is known to have been weaponized in the Northeastern United States.

     Hanif also claimed that Mullah Omar was living in Quetta under the Pakistan ISI’s protection. The Washington Post once focused on the ISI’s failure to cooperate with the microbiologist and food production expert Rauf Ahmad who was helping Ayman — and noted that I had publicly associated him with the documents provided by the Defense Intelligence Agency first. But no paper has yet addressed the ISI role in connection with suppressing information about the prosecution (or lack thereof) of bacteriologist Abdul Qadoos Khan, in whose home KSM was reportedly arrested. Nor has anyone addressed its suppression, in this context, of the whereabouts of Aafia Siddiqui. There is an unconfirmed suggestion that she has been moved to Guantanamo. (It was my understanding that the ISI has her and the children and that she is under house arrest). It’s perfectly understandable why the ISI would not want to cooperate — having worked closely with the Taliban for years at the urging of the US. Moreover, the political risks are very real given the unpopularity with the Pakistan public of pursuing respected professionals who are sympathetic to Al Qaeda. For example, there is a report today about a legal challenge being prepared by the nuclear proliferator Khan to his house arrest, just as Musharraf is facing an unsympathetic judiciary. But no failure on the part of the ISI to cooperate with the FBI or CIA on the subject of an attack using aerosolized anthrax should be countenanced.


25 posted on 09/18/2007 11:32:25 PM PDT by ZacandPook
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To: DieHard the Hunter

If they had paid attention to the low-level FBI agents the attacks would have been prevented. Thatsa’ Fact Jack.


26 posted on 09/18/2007 11:35:04 PM PDT by Loud Mime (Life was better when cigarette companies could advertise and lawyers could not)
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To: Enchante
Conyers needs to just listen to President Clinton's own Terror Czar, Richard Clarke:

GORTON: Now, since my yellow light is on, at this point my final question will be this: Assuming that the recommendations that you made on January 25th of 2001, based on Delenda, based on Blue Sky, including aid to the Northern Alliance, which had been an agenda item at this point for two and a half years without any action, assuming that there had been more Predator reconnaissance missions, assuming that that had all been adopted say on January 26th, year 2001, is there the remotest chance that it would have prevented 9/11?

CLARKE: No.

Source

9/11 could have been prevented by the PREVIOUS administration. By that administration's own Terror Czaar's admission, the Bush administration simply couldn't do anything with what was given to them.

9/11 is firmly at the feet of Clinton. Pure and simple.

27 posted on 09/18/2007 11:35:31 PM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Tagline: Kinda like a chorus line but without the legs)
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To: ZacandPook

In hind sight, WWII could have been prevented.


28 posted on 09/19/2007 1:10:29 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: Lancey Howard

absof*’inglutely!


29 posted on 09/19/2007 2:46:08 AM PDT by tina07
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To: DieHard the Hunter

http://www.rickrescorla.com/


30 posted on 09/19/2007 2:48:05 AM PDT by tina07
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To: ZacandPook

I still believe, that if, on 9/10 we knew exactly what the terrorists were planning, and arrested all of them before they got on the planes, we would still be hearing about the injustice of it all from CAIR.


31 posted on 09/19/2007 3:30:45 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: ZacandPook

“The message in invisible ink read: Post on FreeRepublic if you need to in order to circumvent any initial missteps by the FBI.”

Huh?


32 posted on 09/19/2007 3:59:03 AM PDT by poobear (Pure democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what's for dinner. God save the Republic!)
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To: tina07; ALOHA RONNIE

I would have given my left nut to meet Rick Rescorla. All the moreso to have been able to count him amongst my Friends: ‘tis a small circle of Friends that I keep, and he would be welcome amongst ‘em at any barbie at my place, anytime.

And if Gen Hal Moore and his Sgt-Maj Basil Plumley and “Ancient Serpent Six” Bruce Crandall decided to tag along, my joy would be almost complete. If Ollie North and Willy Apiata VC chose to drop by, that’s my idea of a proper barbie! Who could ask for more??

Alas! ‘twas never to be, ‘twas but a Dream. I sadly never knew Rick Rescorla, and will probably never get to know any of the other gentlemen aforementioned. The best I can do is to own a signed copy of Ollie’s book, “Under Fire”. And just possibly try to meet Willy Apiata VC one day...

...oh well.


33 posted on 09/19/2007 4:07:06 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghill mi do dhuine. Fg am bealach.)
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To: pawdoggie

... too bad this ‘conflict’ is not over, terminated the same way that we ended the war with Japan. Mecca and a few other muzzie gathering places should be a glowing slag heap today. Every mosque on US property should now be a parking lot and the former attendees should all be scrbbling for their lunch in the deserts of the M/E.


34 posted on 09/19/2007 4:16:47 AM PDT by ByteMercenary (9-11: supported everywhere by followers of the the cult of islam.)
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To: P-Marlowe

Gorelick couldn’t have the FBI and CIA swapping info about the Clinton’s China connections.9/11 was the price we paid for that cover-up.


35 posted on 09/19/2007 4:47:51 AM PDT by Farmer Dean (168 grains of instant conflict resolution)
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To: Enchante
"Yeah, that translates to negligence," charged committee chairman John Conyers, D-Mich.

What utter nonsense. If I accidentally ran someone over with my car it's not automatically negligence but I certainly could have prevented it. I could have taken a different route, for example. Does Conyers have even one brain cell working (properly)?

I would agree that imposing the Gore-lick wall could be construed as negligence. The results of that action could be anticipated without too much imagination.

36 posted on 09/19/2007 5:51:05 AM PDT by Dilbert56 (Harry Reid, D-Nev.: "We're going to pick up Senate seats as a result of this war.")
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To: ZacandPook
A little history lesson.

A few hours before the attack on Pearl Harbor the U.S. was aware that the Japanese were going to declare war on the US and that targets were going to be attacked. What was the unknown was the targets. I read this from the Book "Codebreakers".

Hindsight is an amazing thing. With all of the information I have seen from news report etc. I can only pick out that fact we were going to be attacked but the targets, date and time were unknown. To determine the targets and date, at best, is guessing, you have a better odds winning a million dollars at a Las Vegas blackjack table. Still, even with this hindsight the links are made with what I used to call Ouija board logic...poor at best.

The Office of the "DNI" did not exist before 9-11, inter-agency cooperations was hindered by the Clinton administration and good ole fashion inter-agency politics. This was my motivation to leave the Intelligence Community and got back to repairing Military Aircraft.


37 posted on 09/19/2007 5:57:15 AM PDT by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: darkwing104; EdLake; TrebleRebel; jpl

I definitely agree with you that hindsight is 20/20.

My only disappointment is that rather that focus on avoiding the next attack, Freepers see everything through partisan eyes. There was a time at FR — in the Fall of 2001 — that there was ;open source” intelligence analysis being done. Richard Clarke and others, like Tenet and Scheuer, would agree that 80-95% intelligence analysis is open source.

Instead, we get the “nuke em” and pave the mosques post above — or an immediate tendency to view the DNI’s comments in a partisan context.

His point is not a political one. It relates to the country’s need to focus on avoiding the next attack.

By focusing on that task.

Partisan political bickering is a big part of the problem, as illustrated by Conyers unconstructive comment. And FR has just been contributing to the unhelpful partisan bickering — to an extent that even Bill O’Reilly is criticizing it.

As a result, a vacuum forms and you get Freeper EdLake posting hundreds of articles on his webpage but intentionally excluding and refusing to post the article about the reported seizure of anthrax in Afghanistan etc.

That then misleads the busy MSM or public.

PostalMag is coming out with a 6th year anniversary special today on the anthrax attacks and if the feature suggests AQ is responsible, you can be sure Ed won’t include it in his many hundreds of articles.


38 posted on 09/19/2007 6:19:13 AM PDT by ZacandPook
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To: ZacandPook
PostalMag is coming out with a 6th year anniversary special today on the anthrax attacks and if the feature suggests AQ is responsible, you can be sure Ed won’t include it in his many hundreds of articles.

If their article is about the anthrax attacks of 2001, which you say it is, I would DEFINITELY put it on my site. That is what MY site is about. Why wouldn't I put it on my site?

If it were just another article about al Qaeda or about al Qaeda's search for Weapons of Mass Destruction, then I would NOT put it on my site, because my site is not about al Qaeda. YOUR site is about al Qaeda.

Why is this so difficult for you to understand? Is it your mission in life to make EVERY web site about al Qaeda? Why do you have this pathological need to put things on MY web site?

Ed at www.anthraxinvestigation.com

39 posted on 09/19/2007 7:01:29 AM PDT by EdLake
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To: ZacandPook

Yes, it could have been prevented - starting back in 1979!


40 posted on 09/19/2007 7:02:59 AM PDT by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: DakotaRed
Yep, and I should have mortgaged the farm yesterday morning..and gone LONG the S & P 500.

Hindsite is 20/10 btw......way better than avg.

41 posted on 09/19/2007 7:03:38 AM PDT by Osage Orange (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: ZacandPook

I tend to agree with the postal workers on Amerithrax — and overlook their heartless (but honored in the breach) “no office supplies” policy. The Postal Magazine in the past has editorialized that AQ supporters were responsible. Here is an outside comment to the same effect.

“Anthrax Letters Still Being Sorted 6 Years Later,” PostalMag, September 19, 2007
http://www.postalmag.com/anthrax-6-years-later.htm


42 posted on 09/19/2007 7:04:33 AM PDT by ZacandPook
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To: ZacandPook

Must have been a slow news day at ABC. Haven’t we heard this theory since late 2001?


43 posted on 09/19/2007 7:05:28 AM PDT by toddlintown (Five bullets and Lennon goes down. Yet not one hit Yoko. Discuss.)
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To: ZacandPook

and if anything had been done the ACLU or the screaming libs would have been all over it crying about rights being violated.


44 posted on 09/19/2007 7:06:53 AM PDT by donnab
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To: ZacandPook
And FR has just been contributing to the unhelpful partisan bickering — to an extent that even Bill O’Reilly is criticizing it.

Bill O'Reilly???

Now there's a pillar of objectivity.....LOL!!

45 posted on 09/19/2007 7:07:49 AM PDT by Osage Orange (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: ZacandPook

How many times is this old news story going to be reported as something new?


46 posted on 09/19/2007 7:11:17 AM PDT by McGruff (If I can't have Cheney, Fred will have to do.)
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To: McGruff

Tenet took the opposite position.

So it is good for the DNI’s soul.


47 posted on 09/19/2007 7:21:10 AM PDT by ZacandPook
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To: All; DieHard the Hunter; tina07

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NEVER FORGET

.

The Rest of the 9/11 Lifesaver RICK RESCORLA Story:

http://www.ArmchairGeneral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24361

.

NEVER FORGET

.


48 posted on 09/19/2007 7:48:33 AM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: ZacandPook
Congress is currently holding hearings on making changes in the FISA law permanent. At the Tuesday hearing, Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y., said, "The power to invade people's privacy cannot be exercised unchecked."

Well, we know where Nadler and fellow Democrats stand on terrorist rights, but what about the rights of Americans?

49 posted on 09/19/2007 8:38:24 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (No buy China!!)
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To: ZacandPook
Coulda, woulda, shoulda.

The really enormous failure of the Bush Administration is that it has not thrown its weight around when it was perfectly in the right.

It is sheer nonsense to play defense against people who have no legitimate case.
50 posted on 09/19/2007 9:08:53 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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