One more for Paul

Concord Monitor ^ | 09/19/2007 | Liebowitz, Dorgan

[NapkinUser]

Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul had a good week. On Sunday, he made off with the Manchester GOP straw poll (Paul took 66 percent; Thompson was next, with 10 percent. Sam Brownback came in last, with half a percentage point). Soon after, Paul picked up the endorsement of Rep. Paul Ingbretson.

[NapkinUser]

Much responsibility comes with that.

Nation building?

[NascentDocent]

Agreed, the big issue is security; so first secure the border and then let Congress declare war, and once so declared, fight it like a war; meaning use all possible and effective means to achieve the objectives contingent for victory. One doesn’t pull any punches in a fight for one’s life, and neither should our military. Stormtroopers break down doors; let’s get our infantry sifting through glowing rubble.

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

CODE PINK HELPED HIM WIN! AND THAT NH STATE REP IS A TRUTHER!!!!

[wolfcreek]

“The other Republicans running are a bunch of big government, globalist CFR members.”

“Democratic candidates - big government socialists, who are also CFR one worlders, are even more repulsive. But from where I stand - there isn’t much difference between Clinton/Obama and Rudy McThomney - either way, kiss American sovereignty good-bye.”

Bears repeating.

One day people will come to realize the forces that actually control from behind the scenes.

[KDD]

What a generation of wimps we have created. Perhaps it is all the fear mongering that this administration has engaged in. I grew up with the Soviet Union having 20,000 nuclear missiles targeted on the U.S...by the very country that perfected the nuclear suitcase. A country whose citizens could blend in with our citizenry far easier than middle eastern Muslims ever could. Nuclear annihilation was always a blink away in the cold war but no one we elected to power stirred fear in our population even though the chances of our destruction from the Soviets was always greater then any current threat from nutcase Muslims without a country and hiding in caves could do to us. We didn’t pass civil liberty violations such as the Patriot Act nor did we create fascist government depts. like the Dept. of Homeland Security to make us “feel safe.”

You want to compare our nation building policy in a country barely the size of one of our larger States to our actions following WWII? That's a joke. Do not be a bed wetting coward. If we allow fear to change the very basis of our freedoms that this country was founded on then we are our own worst enemy and give terrorists a victory over us by default. And the curious rant that you went on did not address the substance of my post at all.

[kabar]

Both Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul want to repeal the Patriot Act. They have voted repeatedly against it despite pleas from the FBI and CIA Directors that it is an essential tool in keeping this nation safe from attack by militant Islamic fundamentalists.

"Good morning Mr. Chairman. Senator Leahy and Members of the Committee. I am pleased to be here today with the Attorney General to talk with you about the ways in which the USA Patriot Act has assisted the FBI with its efforts in the war on terror. For almost three and a half years, the USA Patriot Act has changed the way the FBI operates. Many of our counterterrorism successes are the direct result of the provisions of the Act. As you know, several of these provisions are scheduled to "sunset" at the end of this year. I firmly believe that it is crucial to our national security to renew these provisions. Without them, the FBI might well be forced into pre-September 1lth practices, requiring us -agents, analysts and our partners -to fight the war on terror with one hand tied behind our backs."

[reagan_fanatic]

LOL

[kabar]

What a generation of wimps we have created. Perhaps it is all the fear mongering that this administration has engaged in. I grew up with the Soviet Union having 20,000 nuclear missiles targeted on the U.S...by the very country that perfected the nuclear suitcase. A country whose citizens could blend in with our citizenry far easier than middle eastern Muslims ever could. Nuclear annihilation was always a blink away in the cold war but no one we elected to power stirred fear in our population even though the chances of our destruction from the Soviets was always greater then any current threat from nutcase Muslims without a country and hiding in caves could do to us.

AQ and militant Islamic fundamentalism are not state-actors. They cannot be deterred my MAD or retaliation. And if they acquire WMD, they will be able to inflict mass casualties far greater than those we suffered during WWII. You can't compare them with the Soviets.

We didn’t pass civil liberty violations such as the Patriot Act nor did we create fascist government depts. like the Dept. of Homeland Security to make us “feel safe.”

The directors of the FBI and CIA have testified under oath that the Patriot Act is vital for our security. Do you believe them? Your hatred of our government fits in with the Blame America crowd. Whether you believe it or not, we are at war.

If we allow fear to change the very basis of our freedoms that this country was founded on then we are our own worst enemy and give terrorists a victory over us by default. And the curious rant that you went on did not address the substance of my post at all.

What specific freedoms have you lost since 9/11?

[MEGoody]

Paul picked up the endorsement of Rep. Paul Ingbretson.

Who?

Anyway, I find it so cute that the Paulestinians get all excited about Paul winning a straw poll, but they claim someone was cheating if he loses.

[B4Ranch]

How much do you know about the Patriot Act?

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To: nottimmon
“If you honestly believe this, you really need some sort of medication. Only a person completely disconnected from reality would make this remark.”
Let me give you just one example for the “reality” check.

One assumption that I hope we agree on: The Patriot Act is, in many regards, blatantly unconstitutional.

Based on that assumption, who do you think wrote the Patriot Act?

Do you think that massive socialist piece of legislation was written in the time period between Sept 11th and it’s enactment?

Here is the reality check.

That bill was written by the bureaucrats from both Republican and Democrat administrations over many years, just sitting in the wings waiting for the “right time” to introduce it to Congress for passage.

The reason I know this to be true is because there is a state version that was composed by the same bureaucrats and distributed to the states for their enactment, so everyone would be on the same page, so to speak. (socialism)

When I found out about that state version being introduced in my state legislature, I confronted by state senator about it and asked who spent the thousand of hours necessary, writing this piece of crap.

That is when he ‘fessed up and told me it has been state of composition for years, just waiting for the “right time” to be fined tuned and introduced for passage and enactment.

And, at the federal level, what majority party in Congress and what party was the President who signed the bill a member of?

REPUBLICANS

And would not a Democrat congress and president have done the same?

I rest my case. Thank you for taking the time to read these messages and reply to them.

26 posted on 02/20/2003 4:18:55 PM PST by tahiti

---------------------------------------------- You have a lot more faith in the Democrats than I do. The Feds are gathering a lot more than what is being admitted to from the Patriot Act, which by the way is not the slighest bit patriotic.

[Dead Corpse]

We are at war.

So... our borders are secure? We're using all the tools possible to bring the war to a swift conclusion? We're not allowing our Enemies to paint us into a political corner?

Yeah... I didn't think so. You haven't thought this through very far have you...

[KDD]

H.R.3162 PATRIOT ACT{ YOUR NEW- POLICESTATE- LOOK FOR YOUR SELF}

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/557871/posts?
q=1&;page=1

http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/04.06D.JVB.Patriot.htm

[ejonesie22]

Well done.

[Designer]

"We are in a global war for the survival of Western Democracy.."

DEMOCRACY???

Excuse me?

What exact "democracy" is that again?

[Designer]

"— and a way of life that our fore-bearers gave blood and treasure for (including my father) !"

"A way of life"?

Gee, and all this time I thought it was FREEDOM that our forefathers fought and died for.

[ejonesie22]

You left out one thing in your analysis.

Mutual Assured Destruction.

Their side wanted to die no more than our side did. The threat was real for both the Soviet Union and the United States. Cooler heads would tend to always prevail. That equation has changed.

We now face an enemy who wants to die for its cause. There is a big difference between a people willing to die for their cause and one wanting to do so. The inhibition of certain death is removed. Until you understand that simple concept you will not have a grasp that the nature of war has changed.

These radicals are rapidly seeking to escalate their abilities. They seek the means to strike from afar as we and our Soviet counterparts did. They gain more knowledge and ability everyday and even the best minds cannot agree on exactly how close they really are to achieving the technology needed to bypass even the best border security. The border patrol cannot stop a missile launched from Iran, or as is even more probable, Venezuela as a proxy. Yes our southern cities are with in range of such a launch and they have demonstrated this ability in Iran with their current inventory.

Paul's position is more than just about Iraq, it is an entire isolationist, non interventionist approach that in no way fits the realities of 21st security. We can argue the issues of Iraq until we pass out, but there are even bigger issues at stake here.

I grew up under the same threat you did, I studied it in college and debated it with many in my day. If you cannot realize the difference now I am sorry.

You call us wimps, so be it, but at least we are not fools.

[Badeye]

Well said.

I can’t believe how many people are pretending you can negotiate with religious fanatics.

A religious fanatic by definition believes that by entering ‘negotiations’ with the implication of ‘compromise’ he’s committing a sin against his or her ‘God’.

bin Laden in the last two weeks just stated our only options are to ‘end democracy and convert to Islam’ (rough paraphrase).

I sincerely doubt any candidate, not even Ron Paul would go along with the Democracy part....he might be willing to kneel five times a day facing Mecca, however.

Not me. And because I say that plainly, according to the bin Laden’s of the world I have to be executed in the name of ‘Allah’.

I don’t understand how it is so many find this difficult to realize, and or admit.

[kabar]

H.R.3162 PATRIOT ACT{ YOUR NEW- POLICESTATE- LOOK FOR YOUR SELF}

I lived two years in a police state [Communist Poland]. The United States of America is not a police state by anyone's measure. You looney tune Paulistas are prone to hyperbole. You have to leave your mother's basement and get out more in the real world.

[ejonesie22]

To them we are a police state because they have something to hide or fear not being able to hide some where down the road. At least that’s what I have observed about anyone protesting about the patriot act.

Normal everyday American’s see no impact what so ever. There maybe one or two exceptions, but there were those before the act as well. We have given up no real liberties, but as you experienced in Poland, reality and fantasy are very different things.

[KDD]

You have to leave your mother's basement and get out more in the real world.

I am a grandfather of five you blithering idiot.