Posted on 09/19/2007 8:57:35 AM PDT by Diamond
Wrong! This is the woman who called 911, claiming her sister was trying to assault her, not the other way around.
I respect cops as much as anyone else, but guys this could have been avoided.
Tasers can be used either by firing the probes, contact tasing without the probe cartridge attached, or a combination of the two.
A stun gun just has two contacts that a person places against you and zaps you.
Did you forget the fact she was wheelchair bound? Doesn't take a genius to figure out someone has health problems if they are bound to a wheelchair.
I would think that while one cop tased her they could have handcuffed her. Tasing her over and over again turned out to be a bad idea didn't it? This case, as in the one in Utah over the brown lawn, is a case of LEOs acting stupidly. Unlike the Utah case, this one ended in the death of the "perp". Most 56 yo people are in good shape, if you are in a wheelchair you are probably not in great condition.
You answered: It said she was 'weilding' these three weapons.
No, it doesn't. It says she was "armed with".
Now, to answer your question with another question, how does a police officer "weild" a baton, a gun and a taser at the same time?
He doesn't, I said they are "armed with" multiple weapons, just as the link at the beginning of this post says the woman was "armed with".
A person can hold/carry/be armed with multiple weapons. In fact, heres a news story about a criminal that held 2 knives AND a kid-so holding 2 and a hammer would seem a bit easier: "The man ran out of the neighborhood and south onto Farrington Highway still holding the knives and the boy, witnesses said."
As I already said, this woman was tasered for well over a minute and a half during a four minute period.
Actually it was 81 seconds, according to the autopsy included in a State Attorney's Office report released Friday.
I cannot even imagine the torture she endured. You could kill a bull with that much juice.
And yet Associate Medical Examiner Valerie Rao, who performed the autopsy in Jacksonville last year, said the Taser shocks were a "very small factor" in the death of Delafield.
Worse yet, I cannot imagine the need to do this to her, a group of cops electro-shocking her again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again .......often holding the taser to her body for long periods of time....until she falls dead.
They did not hold it to her until she fell dead. She was taken to a hospital after the incident and died later. On the day after the incident, Emily Delafield's brother, Arnett Chase, said he and other family members believed police acted properly and it was the least-dangerous way to stop her from hurting herself or others.
She was their human pit roast. I'm surprised they didn't stick an apple in her mouth after they roasted her to death. I have little doubt that this gang of thugs
The "thugs" Luedtke and Acres arrived at the house and decided not to use police batons or pepper spray on Delafield, who was on oxygen due to her medical condition. Wow-they didn't just run up and kill her like thugs, they actually put some thought into how to deal with her-I wonder if they even consulted the family... The officers discussed using Tasers with the family, including some who agreed with their use, authorities said. Only after a 13-minute standoff did Luedtke fire her Taser AFTER Delafield raised a knife as if to throw it. Only AFTERthe shock did not appear to have an effect, did Luedtke recycle her Taser. Acres shocked Delafield two minutes later only AFTER Luedtke's shocks appeared not to be having an effect. Knowing all of this additional info, do you really still think they are thugs?
will recieve but a wrist slap for the murder
Their actions, according to prosecutors, were justified. Not even a wrist slap.
so it's refreshing to know that there is eternal Justice.
Hopefully by someone who doesn't judge based on news headlines.
A crazy person swinging knives around *is* a threat to the public, wheelchair or not. It was the cop's duty to stop her.
They used the tazer to get her to drop the knives. She wouldn't drop them, so they kept tazing. The tazing was too much and she died.
She should've dropped the knives. But she didn't because she was crazy. Should they have tried something else? Maybe, we've already had more time to think about all this than anybody at the scene had, and we're taking advantage of hindsight.
There was nothing about this situation that was going to end well from the very beginning. A schizoid with knives flailing around in public, presumably off medications and unable to reason or be reasoned with by police, is more often than not going to end with a dead schizoid. Wheelchair or not. If this were a 300lb 56 year old man in the chair I think the reactions here would be quite different.
You can't touch somebody who is being tazed.
Correct. You can't safely use the Taser from such close proximity. It was a stun gun, which is nothing next to a Taser. I have a stun gun and have stunned myself briefly. Not a big deal.
Cordially,
It was in the street.
Wow, that was sure nice of them.
The officers discussed using Tasers with the family, including some who agreed with their use, authorities said.
I would have loved to hear that conversation.
Only after a 13-minute standoff did Luedtke fire her Taser AFTER Delafield raised a knife as if to throw it. Only AFTERthe shock did not appear to have an effect, did Luedtke recycle her Taser.
Thirteen whole minutes. Maybe they had an appointment or something somewhere else. Why shock her so many times? Is is a normal human response to shock a person that many times?
On the day after the incident, Emily Delafield's brother, Arnett Chase, said he and other family members believed police acted properly and it was the least-dangerous way to stop her from hurting herself or others.
That's easy for them to say; they weren't the ones on the receiving end of the taser. They seem to have been, at least one day after the incident, as baffled as the cops. Why didn't they just stay out of her way for while and then at some point just throw a blanket on the unfortunate woman?
Their actions, according to prosecutors, were justified. Not even a wrist slap.
Close enough for government work.
Cordially,
Cordially,
I would think that while one cop tased her they could have handcuffed her.
You can’t touch somebody who is being tazed.
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Of course not or you’ll get a litle tingle... Why couldn’t she be cuffed in the time period after she was first tased before she regained muscle control...
Why couldn’t those brainiacs just go into a bedroom , get a comforter or blanket and throw it over her?
a rifle shot from a bitter, legless Vietnam veteran ended his life on July 29, 1984. He died of massive internal injuries.
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That situation is not comparable, the lady here was not able to “reach out and touch someone” with a rifle like the perp in your friends case , this woman was no danger to the police...this reminds me of the “Mrs. Bumpers” NYC story from years ago.
I’m adding the keyword of Adrenaline Cowboys
I think your FReeper name is the coolest I have seen. Animal House a great movie.
I realize that. However, one officer could move into postiion and as soon as the "perp" dropped her hammer they could have cuffed her. I didn't feel it necessary to give a blow by blow account of how they should do it. I was assuming, wrongly it seems, that the people on FR were smart enough to figure out what I meant.
Some of us are even smart enough to have already figured out that she hadn't yet been cuffed because she had not yet dropped the knives, even having been tazed.
Sure you can. My partner tasered a guy I was fighting with just last night. We were all over each other.
Yah? I thought the charge could be passed to other people touching the guy getting tazed. I’m sure I’ve seen that happen. Not so? Maybe I’m thinking of some other device?
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