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Mexicans pour into Canada from U.S; Agencies brace for thousands more
National Post ^ | 09/19/07 | CANADIAN PRESS

Posted on 09/19/2007 5:07:07 PM PDT by Pikamax

Tuesday, September 18, 2007

For 15 years, Manuel Ortega was living his version of the American Dream in Florida.

He had steady employment, sometimes working as a detailer for local car dealers, other times as a forklift driver. He earned enough to buy a van and rent a house for his wife and three children. His kids earned good grades in school and played with the family pet, a Shih Tzu named Chaparro (Shorty). They were safe and kept out of trouble.

Ortega's dream, as he recounted it Tuesday standing outside a room at a Windsor motel, is now but a memory. He is one of an estimated 180 Mexicans from Florida who've rushed across the border and into Windsor to claim refugee status, fleeing a crackdown on illegal aliens in Florida.

Local agencies that work with refugees have been told to brace for 4,000 to 8,000 refugee claimants.

Every single day this month, Mexican nationals who have been living illegally in Florida -- some for a dozen years or more -- are turning up at the Windsor-Detroit border seeking refugee status. The first group arrived at the YMCA on Aug. 28.

"They've been coming steadily ever since," said Jacquie Rumiel, director of programs for new Canadians at the YMCA.

The Ortegas left Naples, Fla. and say all they ask for in Canada is "a chance," said the father.

"Give us a chance to show what kind of people we are," the 39-year-old said. "We don't be afraid to work. We don't be afraid to start again. We need the chance, please, to do that."

Ortega said his fear of being deported to Mexico intensified within the past three months as immigration officials became more visible on the streets and the incidents of deportation of his acquaintances increased.

When his American neighbour threatened to report him to authorities, he told his family to pack-up. They simply couldn't risk returning to Mexico, where he says he fears the powerful drug cartels, corrupt government and poor living conditions.

"We don't have a future in Mexico," Ortega's 36-year-old wife said, noting her brother and his family also fled to Windsor fearing deportation. "We can't go back."

After driving his 1996 Grand Caravan for 24 hours without stopping -- except for gas and food -- the Ortegas arrived at the Windsor tunnel Sept. 11. When they told the border guard they were seeking refugee status, the Ortegas were given a list of social services organizations to contact for support.

The Y is one of the first stops for asylum seekers. The settlement program there directs new immigrants to legal help, housing and other programs.

It's hard to get a firm figure on the numbers who have arrived recently. While 120 have crossed the Y's threshold, the city's social services department, which is in daily contact with the Canada Border Services Agency, thinks the number is closer to 180. But the Salvation Army thinks the real number could be into the hundreds.

The Salvation Army has put up 50 families -- some with five, seven and nine children each -- at four city hotels. Their bills, including meals, are being sent directly to the city's social services department. Another 30 single men are sleeping and getting hot meals at the Salvation Army Church Street shelter.

"We are being inundated with them," said Maj. Wilfred Harbin, Salvation Army administrator. Like others in the city, he has heard that up to 7,000 Mexicans seeking refugee status could be headed this way.

"What are we going to do with them? We're running out of beds."

In fact, said Harbin, all the beds are filled. A handful of men are sleeping on mats on the gymnasium floor of the building. "Maybe the military can help us," said Harbin, unable to think of where else he could get a shipment of cots in a hurry.

Salvation Army hostel supervisor Marlene Dufault said she believes the U.S. crackdown on illegal immigrants has led to the influx of Mexicans at our border. She said a church group in Naples has been charging the asylum seekers $400 a head, promising them there will be jobs awaiting them here.

The Canadian Council for Refugees sent out an alert Tuesday in response to what it calls an "urgent" situation.

According to the national non-profit group that acts as an umbrella organization for agencies that help refugee claimants, there are "fraudulent advisers in the United States endangering asylum seekers" by telling them there is a "special Canadian program" for Mexicans.

The only accurate information the Mexicans are getting from these advisers is that they won't be turned away at the border.

Under the U.S.-Canada Safe Third Country Agreement, asylum seekers from the United States would normally be turned back. But those coming through the United States from Mexico are an exception because the United States would require those people to have a visa, but Canada does not.

Danny Yen, Canada Border Services Agency spokesman, explained that means the United States would not accept those people if turned back.

Legal Aid has begun footing the bill for the refugee claimants to get legal advice.

Immigration lawyer John Rokakis said seven Mexicans came through his door Tuesday with Legal Aid certificates paying for three hours of a lawyer's time. Monday he saw three others and had a steady trickle last week as well.

Few will have successful refugee claims, he predicted. "Of the ones I've seen there are maybe one or two that may have something," he said. One is a man who sought political asylum in the United States and was denied.

In the short term, the refugee claimants are the guests of city taxpayers. Some have U.S. bank accounts they can't access and others are destitute.

Teresa Piruzza, executive director of Ontario Works said, as of Monday, ten families and 18 individuals had applied for social assistance. "We're just starting to process them," Piruzza said of the applications.

Welfare currently pays up to $548 per month for individuals and $1,193 for families with two children under the age of 13.

As he recounted his story, Ortega repeatedly stressed his thanks to social services for helping his family.

"Social services, they help us too much," he said. "I want to say thanks and to Canadians 'thanks.'"


TOPICS: Canada; Foreign Affairs; Mexico; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: canada; duenorth; immigrantlist; immigration; invasion; mexicancanada; mexicans; refugees
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1 posted on 09/19/2007 5:07:14 PM PDT by Pikamax
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To: Pikamax

Good. The Canadians have been complaining about our wall construction and immigration policies for a while now. They can feel the pain instead.


2 posted on 09/19/2007 5:09:13 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Pikamax
[in best Mr. Burns voice] Excellent!

-Joan

3 posted on 09/19/2007 5:09:37 PM PDT by JoanVarga
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To: Pikamax

Adios...don’t let the door hit ya.


4 posted on 09/19/2007 5:10:11 PM PDT by FightforFreedomCA (FDT '08)
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To: Pikamax

O Canada!!!

Do they still sing that in their schools?


5 posted on 09/19/2007 5:12:26 PM PDT by TruthConquers (Delendae sunt publici scholae)
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To: Pikamax

This is good news.


6 posted on 09/19/2007 5:14:23 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (Waiting for Samson)
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To: Pikamax

It is about time our northerm friends got some payback for taking in the draft dodgers. Enjoy!


7 posted on 09/19/2007 5:15:09 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Pikamax

I would be willing to pitch in on a bus to send a load of them to Canada.


8 posted on 09/19/2007 5:15:14 PM PDT by dforest (Duncan Hunter is the best hope we have on both fronts.)
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To: Spktyr

My thoughts exactly.


9 posted on 09/19/2007 5:16:30 PM PDT by chaos_5 (... I'm just another angry white male ...)
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To: Pikamax

“We are being inundated with them,” said Maj. Wilfred Harbin, Salvation Army administrator. Like others in the city, he has heard that up to 7,000 Mexicans seeking refugee status could be headed this way.

Hey Klondike Wilfred, you aint seen nothing yet. Wait till they start pouring in by the hundred thousands, eh.


10 posted on 09/19/2007 5:17:15 PM PDT by UglyinLA
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To: Pikamax

“They simply couldn’t risk returning to Mexico, where he says he fears the powerful drug cartels, corrupt government and poor living conditions.”

Betting they still have a Mexican flag in their goods and will still celebrate Mexican holidays while not wishing to return that turd-world country. I love the thought of hoards of Mexicans heading for Canada.....it just seems so right.


11 posted on 09/19/2007 5:19:06 PM PDT by Bogtrotter52 (Reading DU daily so you won't hafta)
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To: Pikamax

This is so funny. After all of the Middle Easterners they have been accepting without question for so many years, maybe now when they see thousands of Mexicans crossing into Canada they will wise up and crack down on unlimited immigration.


12 posted on 09/19/2007 5:19:58 PM PDT by CdMGuy
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To: Spktyr
Yes, it will be interesting to see how the Canadian government deals with these vagrants. I suspect they will discover that talk is cheap but putting up with a flood of rootless foreigners is expensive.
13 posted on 09/19/2007 5:20:30 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: UglyinLA
Wait till they start pouring in by the hundred thousands, eh.

Hundreds of thousands per quarter.

14 posted on 09/19/2007 5:20:37 PM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: Pikamax
Mexicans pour into Canada from U.S; Agencies brace for thousands more

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15 posted on 09/19/2007 5:21:03 PM PDT by Boston Blackie
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To: indylindy
I would be willing to pitch in on a bus to send a load of them to Canada.

Agreed! That's some "comprehensive immigration reform" to which I would agree.

16 posted on 09/19/2007 5:22:07 PM PDT by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: CdMGuy

They can’t.
Read Mark Steyn’s “America Alone” Canada’s birthrate is shrinking to dangerous levels. They need immigrants to pick up the slack.


17 posted on 09/19/2007 5:22:55 PM PDT by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time .)
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To: Pikamax

Wonder why the mexican didn’t return to his own country? Instead he goes north to Canada....mexico must be a really terrible place to live....


18 posted on 09/19/2007 5:24:29 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: Pikamax

Hey, Canada...welcome to the NAU/NEW WORLD ORDER. If you accept these people as ‘refugees’ you truly are ‘Hosers’.

If this man and his family’s claims are true...the answer is to revolt against your Mexican government and change Mexico...the answer is NOT to bring your problems here and inflict it upon this country.


19 posted on 09/19/2007 5:25:28 PM PDT by Hornet19 (It's Time to Put Up or Shut Up...Where Do You Stand?)
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To: Pikamax

There is a certain amount of self-selection in immigration.

Only the bold and aggressive people immigrate in the first place, especially when it is against the law.

This represents a self-selection within a self-selection. The illegals with the most moxie are going to Canada. It will be interesting to see how they turn out there - they might end up owning the place.


20 posted on 09/19/2007 5:28:25 PM PDT by proxy_user
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To: AuntB
Ortega said his fear of being deported to Mexico intensified within the past three months as immigration officials became more visible on the streets and the incidents of deportation of his acquaintances increased.

When his American neighbour threatened to report him to authorities, he told his family to pack-up. They simply couldn't risk returning to Mexico, where he says he fears the powerful drug cartels, corrupt government and poor living conditions.

"We don't have a future in Mexico," Ortega's 36-year-old wife said, noting her brother and his family also fled to Windsor fearing deportation. "We can't go back."

After driving his 1996 Grand Caravan for 24 hours without stopping -- except for gas and food -- the Ortegas arrived at the Windsor tunnel Sept. 11. When they told the border guard they were seeking refugee status, the Ortegas were given a list of social services organizations to contact for support.

Ping.


21 posted on 09/19/2007 5:28:29 PM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: Pikamax
Operation Wetback II is in process. And many said it would not work.

Ike must be smiling down on us.

22 posted on 09/19/2007 5:30:34 PM PDT by Candor7 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Baghdad_(1258))
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To: Pikamax
Hey illegal immigrants, Nice Stop.                                                                           
 
 

23 posted on 09/19/2007 5:31:41 PM PDT by Radix (Nothing else to do but raise eyebrows and wreak havoc on FR.com)
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To: TruthConquers

Well, I am sure Canada was stolen from Mexico too ya know.


24 posted on 09/19/2007 5:31:51 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: brityank

“We don’t have a future in Mexico,” Ortega’s 36-year-old wife said, noting her brother and his family also fled to Windsor fearing deportation. “We can’t go back.”

Perhaps we should learn the word “revolution” in Spanish and keep repeating it to these folks. They should try it sometimes. Worked here a few hundred years ago, and it appears that it may have to work again in the US, let alone Mexico.


25 posted on 09/19/2007 5:32:03 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: proxy_user
illegals with the most moxie are going to Canada. It will be interesting to see how they turn out there - they might end up owning the place.

I think not.

"Welfare currently pays up to $548 per month for individuals and $1,193 for families with two children under the age of 13. As he recounted his story, Ortega repeatedly stressed his thanks to social services for helping his family. "Social services, they help us too much," he said. "I want to say thanks and to Canadians 'thanks.'"

26 posted on 09/19/2007 5:32:24 PM PDT by dynachrome (Henry Bowman is right.)
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To: shield

He doesnt want to return to Los Angeles either...as it is just like Mexico now. They brought the drug cartels, the gangs, tagged the place to hell, trash all over the roads, etc.


27 posted on 09/19/2007 5:33:44 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: Pikamax

This suggests a great idea: someone should print up wallet-sized cards and matchbooks, etc. with brief info (in Spanish) extolling the welfare services of Canada, proclaiming an imminent crackdown in the USA, brief instructions on getting to Canada, etc. Distribute them as widely as possible at places where illegals gather. Let Canada experience the 1st million or two of illegal migration north and we’ll hear shrieks from socialist liberals like we never imagined, as they discover that their socialist paradise is being overrun by illegals.


28 posted on 09/19/2007 5:37:57 PM PDT by Enchante (Reid and Pelosi Defeatocrats: Surrender Now - Peace for Our Time!!)
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To: BurbankKarl

As a former Canadian living in So Cal, LOLOLOL!!


29 posted on 09/19/2007 5:38:34 PM PDT by TruthConquers (Delendae sunt publici scholae)
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To: Pikamax
To my Canadian friends: Signs in three languages coming your way.
30 posted on 09/19/2007 5:38:35 PM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: Pikamax

Vaya con dios.


31 posted on 09/19/2007 5:38:51 PM PDT by Panzerlied ("We shall never surrender!")
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To: Pikamax

Time the Great White North got a bit browner...perhaps the McKenzie brothers can learn to hose down tequilla in their Moose Milk now!


32 posted on 09/19/2007 5:40:32 PM PDT by meandog (I'm one of the FEW and the BRAVE FReepers still supporting John McCain)
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To: BurbankKarl

“He doesnt want to return to Los Angeles either...as it is just like Mexico now. They brought the drug cartels, the gangs, tagged the place to hell, trash all over the roads, etc.”

Pretty dismal, for sure.


33 posted on 09/19/2007 5:41:18 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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To: Pikamax
Bye! Bye-bye! Do forget to write!

(Sorry Canada!)

34 posted on 09/19/2007 5:43:54 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (A good marriage is like a casserole, only those responsible for it really know what goes into it.)
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To: Pikamax

In Arizona, illegals are packing up the truck and heading south due to a statewide employer crackdown. The good news just keeps a comin’.


35 posted on 09/19/2007 5:44:27 PM PDT by central_va
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To: BurbankKarl

Isn’t that the truth. They claim they are fleeing Mexico, but they actually bring it with them and won’t let go!

All North America will be Mexico if this keeps up.


36 posted on 09/19/2007 5:44:28 PM PDT by TruthConquers (Delendae sunt publici scholae)
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To: dynachrome

“He earned enough to buy a van and rent a house for his wife and three children.

He’s not going to be satisfied with that. He wants a nice house and a couple of cars, and knows how to find and keep a job. If he gets legal status, he will probably continue on the same road he followed in the US.


37 posted on 09/19/2007 5:45:49 PM PDT by proxy_user
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To: CaptainK

38 posted on 09/19/2007 5:47:23 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: dynachrome; All

“”Welfare currently pays up to $548 per month for individuals and $1,193 for families with two children under the age of 13”

They heard about the freebies!!


39 posted on 09/19/2007 5:49:24 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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To: Pikamax

They could take the train tunnel on the East Side of Detroit to Windsor and not be caught at all....


40 posted on 09/19/2007 5:55:55 PM PDT by Mikey_1962 (If Roger Maris got an asterisk next to his name, Bonds should get a syringe)
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To: Pikamax

“Well King. Looks like this case is closed.”


41 posted on 09/19/2007 5:56:39 PM PDT by toddlintown (Five bullets and Lennon goes down. Yet not one hit Yoko. Discuss.)
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Canada; build a wall!


42 posted on 09/19/2007 5:57:47 PM PDT by toddlintown (Five bullets and Lennon goes down. Yet not one hit Yoko. Discuss.)
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43 posted on 09/19/2007 6:02:32 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: BurbankKarl

They’s be back. After they find out how long the line is at the emergency room for tummy aches and sniffly noses.


44 posted on 09/19/2007 6:17:43 PM PDT by BobS
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To: Pikamax

You Canadians, enjoy your Mexicans now, you hear!


45 posted on 09/19/2007 6:38:37 PM PDT by claudiustg (You know it. I know it.)
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To: Pikamax
Canada can use almost every immigrant it can get Mexican or otherwise.
46 posted on 09/19/2007 6:39:59 PM PDT by Phlap (REDNECK@LIBARTS.EDU)
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"Give us a chance to show what kind of people we are," the 39-year-old said.

We know what kind of people you are, you are a law breaking, lying, welfare stealing thief. Don't come back. That two countries that don't want you.

47 posted on 09/19/2007 6:42:59 PM PDT by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: Enchante
"Let Canada experience the 1st million or two of illegal migration north and we’ll hear shrieks from socialist liberals like we never imagined, as they discover that their socialist paradise is being overrun by illegals."

They have a whole bunch of ME Muslim "refugees" up there already. Let's see if the Muslims and Mexicans make good neighbors. You know they won't. When the Muslims go jihad, the MS-13ers, Latin Kings and the 18th Street gang will want to be there for the festivities.

THREE birds hit with one stone:) Let's observe quietly...

48 posted on 09/19/2007 6:43:58 PM PDT by BobS
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They’s be back. After they find out how long the line is at the emergency room for tummy aches and sniffly noses.

The asylum seekers and their families should help the Canadian national health system run more smoothly.

Colds and such should be seen at the ER of course, just like here in the USA.

Oh ya, and the anchor babies.

49 posted on 09/19/2007 6:48:32 PM PDT by wanderin
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To: Pikamax
Interesting read. Especially as Windsor is also a motor city. Chrysler has a large plant there. I hope to help Chrysler this fall and buy one. They have an unemployment problem, though not drastic.

I can honestly state that Canadians have not generally commented on the actions of Americans at their southern border. The general view of Canadians that I read of and know is this:

If we Canadians demand the right to accept or reject entry to Canada, then we indeed ENCOURAGE proper control of the borders. This for both countries.

Ah well back to a bit of Charles Portis, an Arkansas novelist and his book about Mexico. Titled.

Gringo's.

LOL

50 posted on 09/19/2007 6:50:33 PM PDT by Peter Libra
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