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Graduates Know Even Less About History (Take The Quiz!)
Madison.com ^ | September 19, 2007 | Anita Weier

Posted on 09/19/2007 5:48:59 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin

The University of Wisconsin-Madison did relatively well in a 50-college test of how much students learned about history and economics during four years of college, but students in Wisconsin and nationally knew little when they came in and not much more when they left. No college did better than a D-plus on the Civic Literacy Test released Tuesday by the Intercollegiate Studies Institute, a nonpartisan conservative educational organization that stresses the values of a free society.

The national average was F.

The test of 14,000 randomly selected students revealed that some of the most expensive Ivy League universities, with the highest-paid presidents and largest government subsidies, were the worst-performing, the institute found.

Overall, the nation's freshmen and seniors scored slightly more than 50 percent on the 60-question exam. The institute said that a kindergartner would have scored about 20 percent correct just by guessing.

The study tested freshmen and seniors at the colleges and universities, in order to determine how much history they learned there. The researchers did not test the same students in freshmen and senior years, but those who were freshmen and seniors in the same year.

Eastern Connecticut State University ranked first, by adding 9.65 percentage points to the score from freshman to senior year. Marian College, a private school in Fond du Lac, was second, with a 9.44 percentage point gain, while the University of Wisconsin-Madison ranked 15th, gaining 6.3 percentage points.

UW-Madison and Marian College were the only Wisconsin schools tested.

Living in the present

Asked about the exercise, David McDonald, chairman of the History Department at UW-Madison, termed the test interesting but questioned the institute's conclusions.

Students generally learn basic history in high school, he said, adding that they often study historical details in order to pass college entry exams, but then go on to pursue other knowledge at the college level.

"Colleges reflect general attitudes and patterns in society. This is not a historically oriented society. We look at quarterly reports instead of long trends. There is a lot of emphasis on living in the present, and not a great deal of understanding of larger historical patterns," said McDonald, who grew up in Canada but got just three wrong on the American history exam.

"There is a mythical past in which everyone knew this material. If you are from a well-to-do household with well-educated parents, you will do well on this and other academic areas. Students should probably know the sequence of events in the Civil War. But is it more important for Americans to know that John Locke was a major influence on the Declaration of Independence or that they have a strong understanding of their rights and be willing to act on them?"

Students at several expensive universities, including Yale, Cornell, Princeton and Duke, actually lost ground during four years of college education.

But the median score of students at those prestigious universities was higher than most colleges where students gained more knowledge during their college career.

For instance, freshman at Yale got 68.94 percent of the answers right and those at Cornell got 61.9 percent correct, though seniors did worse in both cases.

UW-Madison freshmen scored 51.57 percent correct and seniors got 57.87 percent. At Marian College, freshmen scored just 33.66 percent and seniors 43.10 percent.

Gorbachev who?

The test consisted of 60 multiple-choice questions about America's history, government, international relations and economics. The test, the answers and the results at the various colleges can be found online at http://www.americancivicliteracy.org

Typical questions included: "The Constitution of the United States established what form of government?" and "Which wall was President Reagan referring to when he said, 'Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall'?" The test also included some questions on the U.S. economy and political philosophy.

"The evidence from our ongoing research shows that colleges, especially the most expensive and elite schools, are failing to advance students' knowledge of America's history, government and free market economics and consequently not preparing their students to be informed and engaged citizens," said Josiah Bunting III, chairman of ISI's National Civic Literacy Board.

"The time has come for higher education's key decision-makers -- state legislators, trustees, donors, alumni, faculty, students' parents -- to hold the nation's colleges and their presidents accountable for teaching their students America's history and institutions."

McDonald said nationwide, students who took the test did well on questions regarding Abraham Lincoln, the New Deal and Brown vs. Board of Education, and did worst on the Revolutionary War, Plato and the requirement for a just war, a question that he said was strangely phrased.

Students who study history in college learn that events are the results of several levels of cause, and that people are products of their times, McDonald said.

"They learn that evidence must be scrutinized and viewed with skepticism," he said. "Our job is to produce people who can do critical thinking, who are aware that they hold certain views and understand why."


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: academia; amiabledunces; civicstest; competency; educatedmorons; highereducation; hillsdale; historyeducation; illiteracy; madisonwi
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

“You answered 52 out of 60 correctly — 86.67 %”

Thank you.


81 posted on 09/19/2007 6:34:38 PM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1 - Take no prisoners))
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Got 53/60.

Did fine on the economics and Constitution and political theory parts; didn’t do quite as well on all the dates and battles questions (I always get those mixed up).


82 posted on 09/19/2007 6:36:25 PM PDT by Libertarian444
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To: ConorMacNessa
I got 51 answers right, but decided since it doesn't affect my salary I won't argue any of the wrong ones.
83 posted on 09/19/2007 6:37:00 PM PDT by Pan_Yan (All grey areas are fabrications)
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To: Peter W. Kessler

I used Firefox and scored 54 out of 60 (90%). I didn’t have any problems.


84 posted on 09/19/2007 6:39:30 PM PDT by Waryone (Constantly amazed by society's downhill slide.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

95%


85 posted on 09/19/2007 6:40:46 PM PDT by colorado tanker (I'm unmoderated - just ask Bill O'Reilly)
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To: Alain Chartier

Shall we post some hard history questions?

OK, I’ll start.

Which list is in the correct chronological sequence:

1. Stalingrad, Kursk Salient, Kasserine Pass

2. Protectorship, Glorious Revolution, Restoration

3. Sumter, Gettysburg, Manassas

4. Defenestration of Prague, Peace of Westphalia, Execution of Charles I

5. Summer of Love, Altamont, Woodstock


86 posted on 09/19/2007 6:40:46 PM PDT by proxy_user
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

I got 90. Missed a couple about economics and date of womens suffrage


87 posted on 09/19/2007 6:41:25 PM PDT by don-o (Do the RIGHT thing. Become a monthly donor. End Freepathons forever)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

I got an 85%.

Not bad for a high skool edukation.


88 posted on 09/19/2007 6:41:28 PM PDT by TC Rider (The United States Constitution ? 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

82%,not good. I’m a technical guy, engineering school, haven’t had a history course since high school back in 1963. What I know of these questions is just what I have heard by hanging around on street corners.


89 posted on 09/19/2007 6:43:37 PM PDT by tickmeister (tickmeister)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
You answered 41 out of 60 correctly — 68.33 %
Average score for this quiz during September: 75.0%
Average score since September 18, 2007: 75.0%

I'm disappointed in myself...
90 posted on 09/19/2007 6:43:41 PM PDT by FortWorthPatriot (No better friend, no worse enemy)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

82%,not good. I’m a technical guy, engineering school, haven’t had a history course since high school back in 1963. What I know of these questions is just what I have heard by hanging around on street corners.


91 posted on 09/19/2007 6:43:44 PM PDT by tickmeister (tickmeister)
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To: HangnJudge

I haven’t been in school since the 80’s and some of this caught me off guard. I’m in hardware test engineering and the economics questions along with the civics were kinda tough for me. I’m satisfied with my score.


92 posted on 09/19/2007 6:45:12 PM PDT by eyedigress
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To: Petronski

Nice - I got 56, so you beat me by one. :-) OTOH, I don’t agree with the ‘correct’ answers of the three of the questions I missed (the fourth, well, I just didn’t know the answer). Frightening that students at top universities have done so poorly; I wonder if they graduate knowing much more than how to Google.


93 posted on 09/19/2007 6:45:29 PM PDT by TrueKnightGalahad (Your feeble skills are no match for the power of the Viking Kitties!)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Why does this suprise anyone, college is the indoctrination center for the socialist liberal fiends and thier warped idiology of America the terrible!


94 posted on 09/19/2007 6:45:58 PM PDT by ronnie raygun (Id rather be hunting with dick than driving with ted)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Trying my best to bring that F average up. Scored 88.3%

Not surprised by the college results though. Spend their days learning about diversity.

95 posted on 09/19/2007 6:46:18 PM PDT by SKI NOW
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Got 85 percent. I have degrees in English, Mass Communications, Chemistry, and Computer Science.


96 posted on 09/19/2007 6:47:33 PM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: proxy_user

I guessed right!


97 posted on 09/19/2007 6:47:43 PM PDT by Clara Lou (Kill the Terrorists. Secure the Borders. Give Me Back My Freedom. FRed Thompson can do it.)
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To: proxy_user

#5 looks possible.


98 posted on 09/19/2007 6:47:57 PM PDT by eyedigress
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

71%. The questions were much harder than the samples provided in the essay.


99 posted on 09/19/2007 6:48:34 PM PDT by pianomikey (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. -Reagan)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
86.67 % (52 of 60), and that was while watching The Right Stuff at the same time! I can't find a good job, and these Ivy Leege kollege gradjooates have the world handed to them on a silver platter.

How come they didn't test Hillsdale students?

100 posted on 09/19/2007 6:49:32 PM PDT by Captainpaintball
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