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Debate No-Shows Worry GOP Leaders: Candidates Are Urged to Attend Forums Sponsored by Minorities
Washington Post ^ | September 19, 2007 | Perry Bacon Jr.

Posted on 09/20/2007 6:10:41 AM PDT by indcons

Key Republican leaders are encouraging the party's presidential candidates to rethink their decision to skip presidential debates focusing on issues important to minorities, fearing a backlash that could further erode the party's standing with black and Latino voters.

The leading contenders for the Republican nomination have indicated they will not attend the "All American Presidential Forum" organized by black talk show host Tavis Smiley, scheduled for Sept. 27 at Morgan State University in Baltimore and airing on PBS. Former New York mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani, former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney, former senator Fred D. Thompson (Tenn.) and Sen. John McCain (Ariz.) all cited scheduling conflicts in forgoing the debate. The top Democratic contenders attended a similar event in June at Howard University.

"We sound like we don't want immigration; we sound like we don't want black people to vote for us," said former congressman Jack Kemp (N.Y.), who was the GOP vice presidential nominee in 1996. "What are we going to do -- meet in a country club in the suburbs one day? If we're going to be competitive with people of color, we've got to ask them for their vote."

Making matters worse, some Republicans believe, is that the decision to bypass the Morgan State forum comes after all top GOP candidates save McCain declined invitations this month to a debate on Univision, the most-watched Hispanic television network in the United States. The event was eventually postponed.

"For Republicans to consistently refuse to engage in front of an African American or Latino audience is an enormous error," said former House speaker Newt Gingrich (Ga.), who has not yet ruled out a White House run himself.

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KEYWORDS: candidates; election; illegals; immigration; latinos; licktheleftsboots; multiculturalism; politicalcorrectness; racialpandering
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Gingrich: "I hope they will reverse their decision and change their schedules. I see no excuse -- this thing has been planned for months, these candidates have known about it for months. It's just fundamentally wrong. Any of them who give you that scheduling-conflict answer are disingenuous. That's baloney."

Former Republican National Committee chairman Ken Mehlman urged candidates to "reconsider this opportunity to lay out their vision and other opportunities in the future." Mehlman's successor at the RNC was Sen. Mel Martinez (Fla.), a backer of legislation that would allow illegal immigrants now in the country to stay and eventually become citizens.

[...] "'What's the win?' said the adviser, who requested anonymity because of the sensitivity of the subject. 'Why would [the candidates] go into a crowd where they're probably going to be booed?'"

1 posted on 09/20/2007 6:10:46 AM PDT by indcons
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To: indcons
Why would conservatives want to pander to liberals? What would GOP candidates say that would make liberals consider voting for the GOP? Ah, the wages of politically correct multiculturalism are coming home to roost. The hidden message is: "we mustn't offend the Left by displays of insensitivity." The hell with them.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

2 posted on 09/20/2007 6:13:29 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: indcons

>> “’What’s the win?’ said the adviser, who requested anonymity because of the sensitivity of the subject. ‘Why would [the candidates] go into a crowd where they’re probably going to be booed?’” <<

I dunno. Maybe to demonstrate courage, leadership, strength, conviction? I don’t think skipping Univision is a bad idea, since that debate is pandering to people who think adopting our language is a setback to their agenda, but I’m disappointed in Thompson for skipping this debate.


3 posted on 09/20/2007 6:14:55 AM PDT by dangus
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To: indcons

Simply put, these two groups are not primary voters. These two debates are all risk and no chance of reward.


4 posted on 09/20/2007 6:15:41 AM PDT by Ingtar (The LDS problem that Romney is facing is not his religion, but his Lacking Decisive Stands.)
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To: Ingtar
Exactly. Liberal groups don't vote in GOP primaries. So again - how would pandering to liberal voters benefit GOP politicians? Its an insane idea.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

5 posted on 09/20/2007 6:17:55 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: indcons

How many of these ‘debates’ do we need? 10...20...30....100? The format make them pretty worthless anyways. Each candidate gets a couple 30 sound bites and that is about it. I have yet to hear any deep discussion of any issue.


6 posted on 09/20/2007 6:18:21 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: Always Right
Do we have an inferiority complex that we need to lick the Left's boots for the sake of keeping up appearances? The Democrats would never dream of showing up - say at a traditional values forum like the debate on Monday night in Fort Lauderdale, Florida. So why the double standard demanded of Republicans?

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

7 posted on 09/20/2007 6:21:09 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: indcons
They do look impressive in some debates:


from the Republican Presidential Candidate Debate #6 – Fort Lauderdale, Florida 09/17/07

A question to former NY Mayor Rudy Giullani:

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A question to former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney:

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A question Senator John McCain:

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Fred Thompson missed that debate, as well.

8 posted on 09/20/2007 6:21:36 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: indcons
Tell these forums to schedule their debates after the primaries and the GOP candidate will certainly show up...the only one they really want to hear is who the GOP pick is because they (the vast majority of them) will not be voting in the Republican Primary anyway and that is where, understandably, these candidates need to focus their efforts.

How many Dems would show up to a debate sponsored by the GOA and NRA?

This is not rocket science and Gingrich knows it...he's just playing politics himself.

9 posted on 09/20/2007 6:22:35 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Ingtar

Agreed. In any case, such selective debates are nothing short of racial pandering.


10 posted on 09/20/2007 6:27:51 AM PDT by indcons
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To: Always Right
The format make them pretty worthless anyways. Each candidate gets a couple 30 sound bites and that is about it. I have yet to hear any deep discussion of any issue.

Agree.

And they seem to get basically the same questions at each debate.

Thus, none really distances himself from the pack, because they each give their 30-second canned and rehearsed response.

I would like to see the questioning give them 5 minutes to explain why, for example, they supported illegal immigration/open borders two or three years ago, but during their presidential run, they have changed positions.

It is time for the 'debates' to get away from the nicey-nicey general questions and start calling them to task for their various flipflops and panderings.
11 posted on 09/20/2007 6:29:54 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Jeff Head

They should have attended.

Keyes is now in.

Whoops...


12 posted on 09/20/2007 6:30:31 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (For America's Revival - Alan Keyes 2008 - www.AlanKeyes.com)
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To: goldstategop
Minorities, i.e blacks, are not liberals at all.
They are just pawns of the liberals, and members of the gimme, gimme class.
A Republican could go in and wash their feet, kiss their
asses, and promise the moon. It would make no difference.
13 posted on 09/20/2007 6:30:31 AM PDT by AlexW (Reporting from Bratislava, Slovakia. Happy not to be back in the USA for now.)
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To: indcons
I'm sorry but I do NOT consider Mehlman nor Kemp GOP "leaders."

As to Newt (who perhaps is a brilliant History teacher/writer/speaker), he is a disgraced "former" GOP leader, who sold out his 1996 team to go along with Clinton on more than one occasion, so listening to him on such matters is ridiculous!

Whether or not candidates choose to appear, is purely up to them, their schedules and their expenditures to do so, end of story WaPo.

14 posted on 09/20/2007 6:34:38 AM PDT by zerosix (<Native Sunflower>)
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To: Ingtar
These two debates are all risk and no chance of reward.

No more calls, we have a winner.

15 posted on 09/20/2007 6:37:00 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Well, we disagree. All downside and it would be precisely playing to their toon. After the primaries, tell them they would be happy to attend.


16 posted on 09/20/2007 6:44:26 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: indcons

I won’t vote for a GOP candidate who kisses up to illegal aliens...

But then my white vote is not desired...

But they should go to events where there are black AMERICANS.....

By placing black Americans and “Latinos” in the same sentence ...illegal aliens are stealthfully made “legal”

Finger nails on a chalk-board...


17 posted on 09/20/2007 6:45:06 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: indcons
The Conservative message to minorities is the same as it is to majorities: "We don't give out free stuff, if you want something go work for it. Our task is to ensure that there is a good economy providing opportunity and a paycheck."
18 posted on 09/20/2007 6:48:22 AM PDT by avacado
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To: indcons
Last night on this forum I expressed the sincere hope that Newt Gingrich (who now opines that the 'Rats will win the White House) and James Dobson (who is throwing hissy-fits) would just shut the frog up.

Today, I'm adding has-been Jack Kemp to this list.

No doubt I'll be adding virtually a name-a-day of GOP ex-office holders, elder statesmen, philosophers and supporters, formerly of common sense and measured oratory, who are actually going bonkers these days attacking the GOP and GOP candidates in order to get their moments in the sun.

What monumental egos! They're in love with their own destructive words.

Does anyone hear them regularly attacking the 'Rats/socialists/radicals/pacifists/liberals/traitors/home-grown commies when they're interviewed or get face time on TV??

No? I thought not. Just attack the only party that will save us from Hillary, the ACLU, Al Queda and Al Sharpton.

Leni

19 posted on 09/20/2007 6:49:38 AM PDT by MinuteGal (Three Cheers for the FRed, White and Blue !)
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To: AlexW

The only way to get any kind of significant vote out of today’s dominant black culture would be to out-welfare the Far Left. The juice ain’t worth the squeezing.


20 posted on 09/20/2007 6:59:22 AM PDT by lapster
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