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N. Korea: NKorea, Syria hold talks amid suspicions (why now while suspicion on them is the highest?)
AP ^ | 09/21/07

Posted on 09/21/2007 4:03:15 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

NKorea, Syria hold talks amid suspicions

1 hour, 28 minutes ago

North Korea and Syria held high-level talks Friday in Pyongyang, the North's state media reported, amid suspicions that the two countries might be cooperating on a nuclear weapons program.

The talks took place between Choe Tae Bok, secretary of the Central Committee of the North's ruling Workers' Party, and Saaeed Eleia Dawood, director of the organizational department of Syria's Baath Arab Socialist Party, the official Korean Central News Agency reported.

The two sides discussed ways of improving friendship and cooperation and other issues of bilateral interest, KCNA said without elaborating.

Their meeting drew attention because it came amid suspicions that North Korea may be providing nuclear assistance to Syria, a charge that both Pyongyang and Damascus deny.

The allegations arose after an alleged Israeli air raid earlier this month on unknown Syrian targets possibly connected to a weapons program.

Andrew Semmel, acting U.S. deputy assistant secretary of state for nuclear nonproliferation policy, said last week that North Koreans were in Syria, and that Syria may have had contacts with "secret suppliers" to obtain nuclear equipment.

Semmel did not identify the suppliers, but said North Koreans were in Syria and that he could not exclude that the network run by the disgraced Pakistan nuclear scientist A.Q. Khan may have been involved.

President Bush, when asked at a news conference Thursday about the suspicions that North Korea is giving nuclear assistance to Syria, said, "We expect them not to."

TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: korea; nuke; syria; tlr

1 posted on 09/21/2007 4:03:19 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster; AmericanInTokyo; Steel Wolf; nuconvert; MizSterious; nw_arizona_granny; ...


2 posted on 09/21/2007 4:03:52 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, chia head, ppogri, In Grim Reaper we trust)
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To: SJackson


3 posted on 09/21/2007 4:33:24 AM PDT by Wiz
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To: Wiz

But but but President Bush and this administration have said that North Korea is no longer a threat. They are working with us in order to dismantle their nuclear program. This can’t be true. lol What a joke. The world has gone mad.

4 posted on 09/21/2007 6:19:45 AM PDT by silentknight
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Posted By XXXXX:


That’s WHY Thing are NOT as they seem….
That’s why Israel will be at REST while the ENTIRE WORLD WILL BE IN TROUBLE….
Because after THE COVENANT the AC willa have a lot of ENEMIES: his former ALLIES….
And will have a RESORT is his former ENEMIES…..US!
YES we will be taken hand in hand by THAT MAN to follow the PATH of ALEXANDER, TEMUJIN (aka GENGIZH KHAN), TAMERLANE!
We will CRUSH the TALIBANS…..

Look here

Jeremiah 25:15-38 KJV

15For thus saith the LORD God of Israel unto me; Take the wine cup of this fury at my hand, and cause all the nations, to whom I send thee, to drink it.
16And they shall drink, and be moved, and be mad, because of the sword that I will send among them.
17Then took I the cup at the LORD’s hand, and made all the nations to drink, unto whom the LORD had sent me:
18To wit, Jerusalem, and the cities of Judah, and the kings thereof, and the princes thereof, to make them a desolation, an astonishment, an hissing, and a curse; as it is this day;
19Pharaoh king of Egypt, and his servants, and his princes, and all his people;
20And all the mingled people, and all the kings of the land of Uz, and all the kings of the land of the Philistines, and Ashkelon, and Azzah, and Ekron, and the remnant of Ashdod,
21Edom, and Moab, and the children of Ammon,
22And all the kings of Tyrus, and all the kings of Zidon, and the kings of the isles which are beyond the sea,
23Dedan, and Tema, and Buz, and all that are in the utmost corners,
24And all the kings of Arabia, and all the kings of the mingled people that dwell in the desert,
25And all the kings of Zimri, and all the kings of Elam, and all the kings of the Medes,
26And all the kings of the north, far and near, one with another, and all the kingdoms of the world, which are upon the face of the earth: and the king of Sheshach shall drink after them.
27Therefore thou shalt say unto them, Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Drink ye, and be drunken, and spue, and fall, and rise no more, because of the sword which I will send among you.
28And it shall be, if they refuse to take the cup at thine hand to drink, then shalt thou say unto them, Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Ye shall certainly drink.
29For, lo, I begin to bring evil on the city which is called by my name, and should ye be utterly unpunished? Ye shall not be unpunished: for I will call for a sword upon all the inhabitants of the earth, saith the LORD of hosts.
30Therefore prophesy thou against them all these words, and say unto them, The LORD shall roar from on high, and utter his voice from his holy habitation; he shall mightily roar upon his habitation; he shall give a shout, as they that tread the grapes, against all the inhabitants of the earth.
31A noise shall come even to the ends of the earth; for the LORD hath a controversy with the nations, he will plead with all flesh; he will give them that are wicked to the sword, saith the LORD.
32Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Behold, evil shall go forth from nation to nation, and a great whirlwind shall be raised up from the coasts of the earth.
33And the slain of the LORD shall be at that day from one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth: they shall not be lamented, neither gathered, nor buried; they shall be dung upon the ground.
34Howl, ye shepherds, and cry; and wallow yourselves in the ashes, ye principal of the flock: for the days of your slaughter and of your dispersions are accomplished; and ye shall fall like a pleasant vessel.
35And the shepherds shall have no way to flee, nor the principal of the flock to escape.
36A voice of the cry of the shepherds, and an howling of the principal of the flock, shall be heard: for the LORD hath spoiled their pasture.
37And the peaceable habitations are cut down because of the fierce anger of the LORD.
38He hath forsaken his covert, as the lion: for their land is desolate because of the fierceness of the oppressor, and because of his fierce anger.

“and a great whirlwind shall be raised up from the coasts of the earth”
look here….

Syrian Social Nationalist Party (Lebanon)
Parti Populaire Syrien

Last modified: 2006-01-07 by santiago dotor
Keywords: lebanon | politics | nationalsocialist | pan-syrian | greater syria | syrian social nationalist party | parti populaire syrien | ssnp | zouba’a | cyclone | tempest |
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[Syrian Social Nationalist Party (Lebanon)]
by António Martins

* Description
* Flag Variant in Gaceta de Banderas

See also:

* Political Parties (Lebanon)
* Neonazi Flags
* Lebanon
* Syria


The Syrian Social Nationalist Party was founded in 1932 and advocates the union of Lebanon, Syria, Cyprus, Palestine, Jordan, Iraq, and Kuwait in a single state. The flag shows the party’s emblem, a red zouba’a (cyclone or tempest), symbolising strength and dynamism. The red color symbolises the dawn of a healthy new era brought about by the party replacing the current (black) reactionary era. The four sides the of the zouba’a represent the four party values of freedom, duty, discipline and power. Another explanation of the zouba’a is that it represents the union of the Christians and Muslims of united Syria — the cross (symbol of Christianity) and the crescent (symbol of Islam) can be combined to create the symbol of the zouba’a.

‘Severus’, 20 November 1996

The Syrian Social Nationalist Party (SSNP, also called the Parti Populaire Syrien) was (still is, in Lebanon) a pan-Syrian party, as opposed to a pan-Arab party. The party’s symbol is a black “hurricane” emblem in a white circle on, if I remember correctly, a red flag. I just found a picture of the SSNP flag. The SSNP is a fascist-type party established in the early 1930s by Antun Sa’ada, a Lebanese immigrant to Brazil who spoke German and whose vision of a Greater Syria was definitely influenced by German nationalist writings. The SSNP flag, salute, etc. definitely resemble Italian and German fascism. The party was influential in Syria and Lebanon in the 1950s, and is still around in Lebanon.

Michael R. Fischbach, 16 November 1997

The above description has no connection to reality. You should read about Antun Sa’ada, study his writings and know the real cause which made him create a Syrian Social Nationalist renaissance which would fulfill its declared principles and return the Syrian nation to vitality and strength; the organization of a movement seeking the complete independence of the Syrian nation and the vindication of its sovereignty; the establishment of a new order to protect its interest and raise its standard of living; and the endeavor to form an Arab front. Thus the SSNP is a not a fascist-type party but a Syrian Social Nationalist Party which is absolutely independent of any fascist thoughts.

Some comments on the above description:

1. Antun Sa’ada was a syrian citizen and not a Lebanese immigrant to Brazil although he was in Brazil for some time.
2. He spoke four other languages other than German. It may be that you only mentioned that he could speak German to say that he was influenced by German nationalist writings and which is not true.
3. Concerning the flag it is an ancient Syrian symbol and it definitely does not resemble Italian and German fascism because it is a purely Syrian foundation.
4. The Syrian homeland is that geographic environment in which the Syrian nation evolved. It has distinct natural boundaries and extends from the Taurus range in the northwest and the Zagros mountains in the northeast to the Suez canal and the Red Sea in the south and includes the Sinai peninsula and the gulf of Aqaba, and from the Syrian sea in the west, including the island of Cyprus, to the arch of the Arabian desert and the Persian gulf in the east. (This region is also known as the Syrian Fertile Crescent).
5. The party is [established] all over the world and not just in particular parts of natural Syria like (Lebanon & Syria) as they are [currently] politically determined.

This short letter was written by Sa’ada during his first imprisonment in 1935, at the request of his lawyer Hamid Franjieh. It offers a valuable insight into the political and intellectual atmosphere in which the Syrian Social Nationalist Party (SSNP) was formed:

(…) I came to the conclusion that the loss of national sovereignty was the primary cause of my nation’s past and present woes. (…) I decided to enter the political field by following the path of a new social nationalist renaissance that would guarantee the purification of the existing nationalist beliefs and their unification into a single ideology and would, in turn, foster the kind of solidarity (Esprit de Corps) which is essential for national cooperation, progress, and the protection of the national interest and rights. (…) I realized that I would then have to devise means that would protect the new social nationalist renaissance as it surged ahead. It was this that first suggested to me the idea of forming a secret political party that would initially incorporate those forces of our youth that stand out for their integrity and lack of affection for the corruption of debased politics. So I founded the Syrian Social Nationalist Party and I unified the various nationalist beliefs into the one idea namely Syria is for the Syrians and the Syrians are one nation. I also laid down a number of reform principles, namely, the separation of religion from the state, turning production into an infrastructure for the distribution of wealth and labour, and the establishment of a strong army that can play an effective role in determining the destiny of the nation and the homeland. (…) I laid all of this down and went ahead with founding the party in total disregard of the existence or non-existence of the mandate. Thus, the party was not founded exclusively as a counterweight to the mandate, but to unify the Syrian nation into a sovereign state that has the will to determine its own destiny. (…) The party was not founded on the principle of foreigner hatred or chauvinism, but on the principle of social nationalism.

Hani Boustani, 26 February 2000

A photo showing vertical variants of the SSNP flag and the Lebanese national flag can be seen at this webpage.

Marcus Schmöger, 26 July 2002
Flag Variant in Gaceta de Banderas

[Syrian Social Nationalist Party, as reported in Gaceta (Lebanon)]
by Jorge Hurtado and Michel Lupant, exported to GIF by Santiago Dotor

Gaceta de Banderas, January 2002, contains images of Lebanese political parties, reported by Michel Lupant and drawn by Jorge Hurtado following his specifications. (…) The flag of the Syrian Social Nationalist Party shows the red ‘cyclone’ slightly differently placed, standing on its sides rather than on its points, so to speak. Proportions ca. 2:3. However, images in several SSNP webpages (like those linked from this webpage, no longer available, to a SSNP office in Lebanon and a SSNP founder webpage) show flags more similar to the one at the top.

Santiago Dotor, 22 May 2002

The SSNP in Syria

In Syria the SSNP grew to a position of considerable influence in the years following the country’s independence in 1946, and was a major political force immediately after the restoration of democracy in 1954. It was a fierce rival of the Syrian Communist Party and of the radical pan-Arab Baath Party, the other main ideological parties of the period. In April 1955 Colonel Adnan al-Malki, a Baathist officer who was a very popular figure in the Syrian army, was assassinated by a party member. This provided the Communists and Baathists with the opportunity to eliminate their main ideological rival, and under pressure from them and their allies in the security forces the SSNP was practically wiped out as a political force in Syria.

The SSNP’s stance during the Lebanese civil war was consistent with that of Syria, and that facilitated a rapprochement between the party and the Syrian government. During Hafez al-Assad’s presidency, the party was increasingly tolerated. After the succession of his son Bashar in 2000, this process continued. In 2001, although still officially banned, the party was permitted to attend meetings of the Baath-led National Progressive Front coalition of legal parties as an observer. In Spring 2005 the party was legalised in Syria, as the first non-socialist and non-Arabist party. It is considered to be one of the largest political parties in the country, after the ruling Baath Party, with perhaps 90,000 members.

11-04-2002, 04:22 PM

I was reading a book and I found out that in the late fifties, early sixties, the SSNP stand side by side with kataeb, so SSNP were in the right wing side. Then Years later they stand with the left wing side.

SSNP As I believe lost their initial identity. U cant be with right then turn to left without saying anything. Take the Communist Lebanese, George Hawi, he said “we did a mistake in the Lebanese war, we were sided the wrong people”. But SSNP just jumped from this to that without saying anything.

Then the new SSNP’ers are calling for division, they come everywhere doing debates to let the attenetion goes away from whats really going on.

The new SSNp’ers calling for Greater Syria under Bashar al Asad Ruling, and they forget that real SSNP’rs dont believe even in Syria now, They believe in a syria different then the Current alawite syria.

So Conclusion: The Most party in lebanon that lost his identity are SSNP’rs so why bothering debating with them. Tomorrow they would became something else.


5 posted on 09/21/2007 6:26:01 AM PDT by Traianus (YES I GOT HIM! BASHAR IS 666....)
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CHIA Pet not so ronaey anymore

6 posted on 09/21/2007 10:41:07 AM PDT by SevenofNine ("We are Freepers, all your media belong to us, resistence is futile")
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Syria just had a SCUD blow up when they were loading it with Nerve agents ( see Jane’s weekly report) It killed a bunch of iranian Engineers and their Syrian counterparts...
they are probably asking for a refund.

they were putting in a Sarin/VX/mustard cocktail and it went off prematurely....

What a Laugh!!! Israel should wipe Damascus from the face of the Earth, and then swing over to Tehran and burn it to the ground.

7 posted on 09/21/2007 10:45:59 AM PDT by LtKerst (Lt Kerst)
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To: Traianus

Greater Syria. Thanks, this is news to me.

8 posted on 09/21/2007 12:24:06 PM PDT by Fitzcarraldo
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The meeting is because the Syrians wont pay for the stuff that got and listen...

Bad security on the delivery....

9 posted on 09/21/2007 12:26:27 PM PDT by colonialhk (Power and Money,the new mantra of the left!)
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