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Rather: 'Nobody Has Proved Documents Were Fakes'
NewsBusters ^ | Mark Finkelstein

Posted on 09/21/2007 6:41:18 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest

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To: missnry
"teetotally meetmortally"

81 posted on 09/21/2007 8:02:48 AM PDT by evets (beer)
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To: varyouga
So something that is supposedly typed on a certain date with a font that was impossible on that date isn’t fake? Are people that dumb?

Rather is using an old Democrat ploy. No matter how outrageous your defense may be to normal people with an IQ exceeding 85, you ALWAYS give the Kool-Aid drinkers something - - anything - - to hang their hats on.

82 posted on 09/21/2007 8:11:15 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Tenacious 1

Nobody has ever proved he wasn’t a liar from the first standup he did during Hurricane Carla either.


83 posted on 09/21/2007 8:21:17 AM PDT by ichabod1 ("Self defense is not only our right, it is our duty." President Ronald Reagan)
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To: Slapshot68
Hey Dan...no one ever proved they were genuine, which of course should’ve been your first priority being a journalist.

Christ, what a twit. Prove the negative?


No one has proved that Dan Rather is...
you get the idea...
84 posted on 09/21/2007 8:22:39 AM PDT by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: bilhosty
One of the most memorable Ratherisms for me was during the 92 election, every night Dan would present GHW Bush "factchecks" citing so-called "experts" that were never identified and then present Clinton's side as gospel. Then, of course, there was the one four days before the election, when special prosecutor Lawrence Walsh conveniently rehashed Iran-Contra, Rather asked "will this be the final nail in the Bush coffin?"
85 posted on 09/21/2007 8:22:40 AM PDT by Proudcongal (One cannot have an understanding of or respect for the U.S. Constitution and be a leftist.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

86 posted on 09/21/2007 8:23:22 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: Mr. K
If he is so stupid that he has yet to be convinced these documents are fake...

My FRiend, Mr. Rather is neither stupid nor dumb.

He is lying, in a calculated, premeditated (and quite Clintonian) fashion.

By intractably and emphatically denying that a forgery existed, then his transparently dominant role in abetting the forgery (followed by his presentation of forged documents as facts in order to influence a national election) seems less illegitimate and criminal; and, he can weasel back into the club of "journalists".

For this scheme to work, he depends on the various media to ignore the key and indisputable facts presented in this (and so many other) threads.

87 posted on 09/21/2007 8:25:45 AM PDT by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: Tanniker Smith
Danny, Danny, Danny, The onus is on you. You haven't proved that the documents are authentic, other than your claim that they are. It was your news story; you provide the proof.

Which reminds me, I'm quite sure one of the DNC talking points, either 1 or 2 on the list, is "don't bother with facts."

88 posted on 09/21/2007 8:29:39 AM PDT by Proudcongal (One cannot have an understanding of or respect for the U.S. Constitution and be a leftist.)
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To: riverdawg
"debunked"

If you've watched network television over the decades (I rarely watch it anymore), you too have probably viewed a number of docu-dramas put on by the networks concerning liberal and conservative presidents or personalities including the Kennedy's, Nixon, McCarthy and bunch of others. In every case it seems the ones done on conservatives were hatchet jobs.

89 posted on 09/21/2007 8:39:00 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
The documents were purported to have been typed by Bush’s commander, they are now pr-oven to have been produced on equipment that was not in existence at the time.

There is no such thing as absolute certainty, that's true. Anyone who understands the Scientific Method better than the prevailing Orthodoxy understands this. However, the documents the documents were most certainly proven to be be a 'false,' or at least a modern, hand-typed reproduction, beyond any reasonable doubt. The documents were proven false with historic certainty.

They had the "equipment" at the time, in the form of an IBM Selectric 'font ball' using the prevailing default font of our time, "Times New Roman," available as an IBM Selectric Font Ball from decades ago until they quit selling the Selectric.

It is also the default Font for most Microsoft Office Word processing programs, such as Wordpad, the old Works suits and Word, and also Rich Text versions of Outlook and all the various iterations of Word, at least Word 2003.

As a simple reminder, the "proof" is simple. The document's as presented showed a "super scripted" the "th," following a number. THAT automatic superscripting was not available at the purported time the ridiculous "documents" were dated, and supposedly compose, probably on an IBM Selectric - a favorite of the U.S. Government at the time.

That's the "proof," supported by Prima facia evidence demonstrated almost instantly, in the heat of the 2004 campaign, here on FreeRepublic and elsewhere.

And, beyond that, the burden of proving the documents were authentic does lie with those who claim they were authentic. The evidence that they were false is conclusive, and lays the burden of proof on the then-chief News Reader at CBS and his staff even by the wider burden allowed the media.

It should be a hoot watching CBS defending itself with the positions laid out in these postings. If so, they'll settle on the the question of how the matter of their "handling" of Rather (and Mapes) following their embarrassing exposure.

90 posted on 09/21/2007 8:56:38 AM PDT by Prospero (Ad Astra!)
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To: Prospero
They had the "equipment" at the time, in the form of an IBM Selectric...

Not so. You're overlooking the character spacing, as in monospace vs. proportional spacing. Never mind the font -- Rather's fake memos contained proportional spacing, which the Selectric COULD NOT produce.

91 posted on 09/21/2007 9:45:47 AM PDT by Steve0113 (Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power. -A.L.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Bubbles ..... Oh Bubbbbblllleeeessss,

Bubbles, I know that constant roar of air passing between your ears is distracting, but try, like really hard, to focus on this.

Pick up your pen, no Bubbles ... not the lipstick tube ... there you go.

Now, write this on the inside of your arm ... it’s ok Bubbles, whichever arm you want to use is ok .... now write this: But Dan, wasn’t it your job to prove the documents weren’t fake?

It’s ok Bubbles .... I know that all that English and writing and stuff wasn’t your strong point in college and ..... yes, I understand there are some really, really hard words in what I just said, but try to get it written down anyway ..... that’s it, keep going

Well no, it isn’t a really great job you did ... what's that Bubbles?

We shouldn’t hold you to a greater standard than your college professors did? .... yea, Bubbles, that’s right, if it makes you feel good about yourself, that’s all that truly counts, isn’t it?

Now Bubbles, here’s what you do, if you ever get to interview Dan again, read that question to him, ‘kay Bubbles?

Yes Bubbles, you probably do need a touch up on your lower lip, it appears to be pouting a bit ... what?

You're going to phone your daddy and he's going to kick my ..... oh, I see .... what? ... no Bubbles, I never knew his telephone number, so I certainly don't remember it.

92 posted on 09/21/2007 10:23:45 AM PDT by Col Freeper
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Rather’s motto: FAKE BUT ACCURATE


93 posted on 09/21/2007 10:33:13 AM PDT by theelephantway
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To: BigDaddyTX

Thank you! I’ve been looking for this for awhile. Saw it in 2004 and wished I had saved it. Got it now.

Thanks again.


94 posted on 09/21/2007 12:17:02 PM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Crom! Non-Sequitur = Pee Wee Herman.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
so what's the problem? the left doesn't want anyone in the military, so if W did play hooky, isn't that what they want soldiers to do anyway?
95 posted on 09/21/2007 12:26:13 PM PDT by InvisibleChurch (Tempus Fidget - The time between the final hymn and recessional.)
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To: TommyDale

If Dan Rather were a crotchety old uncle, rambling round in the attic, we would just tune him out. We would be embarrassed.

Same deal here.

But how to explain Mica? She should be embarrassed all right, but at herself! I’m not believing for a second that her devotion to Dan comes from her CBS employment. Her Daddy and his Democrat ties probably got her that CBS job, and I bet her puffball questions this morning had more to do with family loyalties to the Democrat Party, than it did to Mica’s oh so heartfelt concern for fellow (lowly, grunt level), CBS employees who lost their jobs. Mica was “acting out” this morning....she was not conducting a serious, probing interview.

Psst! I can’t tell you how glad I am to have Mica on the MSNBC morning train wreck show. It’s such fun to watch her insert her foot into her mouth then try to remove it without surgical implements.

She practically gags when she’s forced to make a balanced statement about George Bush. Watch her closely...she simply cannot conceal who she loves and who she loathes.


96 posted on 09/21/2007 5:54:38 PM PDT by YaYa123
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To: governsleastgovernsbest; Buckhead

truth/freedom/life BUMP!


97 posted on 09/21/2007 8:44:41 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Courage Dan


98 posted on 09/21/2007 8:51:09 PM PDT by Godzilla (I will not submit, Lets Roll)
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To: Steve0113
I shouldn't have written "they had the equipment at the time," and risk being quoted out of context as someone who supported Rather's stupid position. (Stupid, in this case, as being "deliberately ignorant.")

Off point, though, as to proportional spacing, I honestly can't remember whether the original Selectric was capable of proportional spacing, but the Selectric II was (and is, since I have one right here in front of me my wife bought brand new after getting her Masters in Business Administration. I love the way it smells, and hums.)

The superscript sealed the argument for me, regardless.

Appreciated your comments.

99 posted on 10/03/2007 5:48:08 AM PDT by Prospero (Ad Astra!)
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