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Vitamin E trials 'fatally flawed'
EurekAlert ^ | Sep 21, 2007 | Balz Frei

Posted on 09/21/2007 3:47:19 PM PDT by decimon

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Compared with placebo or no treatment, intake of vitamin E in amounts of 400 IU or more daily for longer than 1 year increased the risk for death. Whether lower amounts of vitamin E increased or decreased the risk for death was unclear.

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Adults should avoid taking vitamin E preparations in amounts of 400 IU or more. Experts should reconsider the stated upper tolerable intake level of vitamin E. Sellers should consider removing vitamin preparations that contain 400 IU or more per dose from stores.

http://www.annals.org/cgi/content/full/142/1/I-40

21 posted on 09/21/2007 4:33:27 PM PDT by secretagent
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To: secretagent
It's always this way. Someone will tell you to take some supplement by the truckload and someone else will warn you against taking too much.

I'll stick with my original comment: "Maybe it's a combination of beneficial vitamins that are...uhh...beneficial."

22 posted on 09/21/2007 4:46:02 PM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon

I agree. Eat the right stuff, and it will help you. Maybe.

But don’t eat the wrong stuff. It could hurt you, probably.


23 posted on 09/21/2007 5:00:50 PM PDT by secretagent
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To: decimon

First it’s good for you, then it’s not! What’s a person to do?

I don’t even want to take my Calcium/Mag/Vit D because I heard that you should put one in vinegar and it it doesn’t dissolve, it might not dissolve in your system. I did it and the pill just sat there...24 hours and it looked just the same as when I placed it there.

So-—do I get my $$’s worth? Sounds like in a few years they always change their minds.


24 posted on 09/21/2007 5:25:17 PM PDT by queenkathy (The shampoo promised me extra body and I gained 3 pounds)
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To: secretagent

And most of all...be decisive. :-)


25 posted on 09/21/2007 5:32:35 PM PDT by decimon
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To: queenkathy

Well...if you’re curious enough then you could start looking for evidence of the pill not having dissolved.


26 posted on 09/21/2007 5:34:36 PM PDT by decimon
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To: Billthedrill
Hey Bill, just FYI ... or maybe you'd know why:

Everytime I take vitamin E regularly, after about four or five days, I feel like sh*t. Draggy, crappy, sluggish ... I stop taking the vitamin E, and I go back to normal.

Never have figured it out.

27 posted on 09/21/2007 5:44:36 PM PDT by Finny ( Only saps buy man-caused global warming.)
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To: queenkathy

A recent article stated that 90% of all over the counter vitamins available in the USA are imported from China, Hmmmm......


28 posted on 09/21/2007 5:44:49 PM PDT by Eighth Square
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And in other news, in a controlled laboratory study of 2000 white mice, it was found that distilled water is 100% fatal and should never be taken internally.

The study, conducted by Boris P. Fecalhead, PhD, MD, BFD, instilled 2 1/2 gallons of distilled water through nasal gastric tubes directly into the stomachs of the white mice daily. Virtually all of the white mice died within hours or days of the onset of the treatment.

Dr. Fecalhead stated that this was conclusive evidence that distilled water should never be taken internally and should be banned from all supermarket shelves, in order to protect consumers. While admitting that there could be some difficulty in translating the study and dosages to humans, he felt that the high mortality resulting from the use of distilled water should be taken seriously and warned that until more studies are done, distilled water should be banned by the FDA and warning labels should be required advising of the danger when taken internally.

Dr. Fecalhead said he has applied for a 14 million dollar grant from the government to do further research on this subject. His previous research was done with similar methodology- direct intravenous infusions of 180 proof alcohol directly into the superior vena cava of mice. He stated that his study virtually proved that alcohol should be removed from any human usage as again virtually all of the mice died within hours of the onset of the experiment.

Dr. Fecalhead received his degree in medicine from the University of Grenada in 1927, and is director emeritus and honorary Sheethead and Chairman of the School of Feelgood Research and Woodworking at the Al Gore Community College in Granville, Tenn. He received his PhD from Jose's College of Deep Thought and Taco Stand, in Costa Lotta, Mexico after writing his dissertation on "Socialism, Liberalism and Other Rectal Cranial Inversions" (with the table of contents and index, it was four double spaced pages in length, but made everyone in the department feel good).

29 posted on 09/21/2007 6:59:02 PM PDT by hadit2here ("Most men would rather die than think. Many do." - Bertrand Russell)
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To: Billthedrill

I have a faint memory trace of a study showing that 800 units of E were destructive to some folks for I forget the reason. You recall that study?


30 posted on 09/21/2007 7:15:40 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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You have to stay on top of it and know what you're doing, but other than the third arm growing from my forehead I haven't had any ill effects.

Well, it is handy for helping you to grasp new concepts.

;-)

31 posted on 09/21/2007 8:52:09 PM PDT by Erasmus (My simplifying explanation had the disconcerting side effect of making the subject incomprehensible.)
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To: Finny; Billthedrill

Everytime I take vitamin E regularly, after about four or five days, I feel like sh*t. Draggy, crappy, sluggish ... I stop taking the vitamin E, and I go back to normal.


I take B-100, C, Beta Carotene and E. If I forget for a few days I get joint pain.

I’ve never felt the effects you experienced when I take E.


32 posted on 09/21/2007 8:57:56 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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Thanks for the ping. Here's the part that caught my attention:

Proper studies of vitamin E, researchers say, must be done carefully and take into account the newest findings about this micronutrient. It’s now known that natural forms of the vitamin are far more readily absorbed than synthetic types. It’s also been discovered that supplements taken without a fat-containing meal are largely useless, because in the absence of dietary fat vitamin E is not absorbed.
33 posted on 09/22/2007 3:06:45 AM PDT by Colorado Buckeye (It's the culture stupid!)
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To: queenkathy

First it’s good for you, then it’s not! What’s a person to do?

I don’t even want to take my Calcium/Mag/Vit D because I heard that you should put one in vinegar and it it doesn’t dissolve, it might not dissolve in your system. I did it and the pill just sat there...24 hours and it looked just the same as when I placed it there.

The HCl acid in your stomach is much stronger than the acetic acid in vinegar. However, the point is a good one - minerals like Ca and Mg come in various forms (compounds) and some are absorbed more readily than others. For those minerals, I try to stick with the citrates rather than oxides or carbonates.

So-—do I get my $$’s worth?

You probably did. The cheap forms are usually oxides. It's like anything else; you have to do some homework, sometimes a lot to homework; and automatically opting for the cheap product, as we are all inclined to do, is often not the best path to take.

34 posted on 09/22/2007 3:21:42 AM PDT by Colorado Buckeye (It's the culture stupid!)
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To: Finny

My run on high E doses (only 1400IU) resulted in extended stays on the can. High E produces a remarkably viscous and resilient stool.

Even though I was knocking down my reading list, I stopped simply for that reason.


35 posted on 09/22/2007 3:39:33 AM PDT by steveyp
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To: decimon
I'll stick with my original comment: "Maybe it's a combination of beneficial vitamins that are...uhh...beneficial."

I think you are right on this.

I have been taking 800 iu of vitamin E for over 20 years (raised it to 1400 several years ago) I am healthy thus far so I don't have any ill effects from it so I assume I have good effects from taking it. I do take it with 1000 mgs of Vitamin C so I believe they work together to do well.

I'll be 77 in November and I don't look it or act like it so I believe all the supplements I take have helped me over the years. Like I said, I don't have any problems so its difficult to tell what is helping me and if they are doing what they are advertised to do. I know I am not going to stop taking them.

36 posted on 09/22/2007 8:37:57 AM PDT by depenzz (Aspire to inspire before you expire)
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I'll be 77 in November and I don't look it or act like it...

In case I forget, Happy Birthday! :-)

Like I said, I don't have any problems so its difficult to tell what is helping me and if they are doing what they are advertised to do.

That's being realistic. You can't know if the supplements are helping but there is no sign they are hurting.

37 posted on 09/22/2007 10:44:29 AM PDT by decimon
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