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Drug Addiction and the Open Society
The New Atlantis ^ | Summer 2007 | Lee Harris

Posted on 09/22/2007 8:04:50 PM PDT by amchugh

Today, despite America’s three-decades-long national War on Drugs, we are still in the midst of what many have called a “drug epidemic.” If we abandon our policy of “containment”—the long-term effort to reduce the production and consumption of drugs—how far would this epidemic spread through the general population? If most people, or even a substantial minority, became drug addicts whose whole existence revolved around getting their next fix, the prospects for our society would look bleak indeed.

(Excerpt) Read more at thenewatlantis.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: druglegalization; libertarian; warondrugs
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1 posted on 09/22/2007 8:04:51 PM PDT by amchugh
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...an open society has no realistic choice but to concern itself with the harm that people do—not just to others, but to themselves. It has not only a right but a duty to do this. The question is not whether it should exercise this duty, but only how and under what circumstances.

Well said...and I agree.

2 posted on 09/22/2007 8:11:11 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: amchugh

Bump


3 posted on 09/22/2007 8:11:26 PM PDT by B.O. Plenty (Give war a chance......)
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To: amchugh
Whoa boy, here we go again. Cue the attacks on libertarians.

Most of the drug problem can easily be solved simply by securing the borders, and ending taxpayer funded "treatment" for drug addicts. Those who want to wreck their bodies should pay for their own treatment.

4 posted on 09/22/2007 8:16:13 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Hillary Clinton is the most corrupt presidential candidate to ever run for office)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Most of the drug problem can easily be solved simply by securing the borders, and ending taxpayer funded "treatment" for drug addicts. Those who want to wreck their bodies should pay for their own treatment.
Most of the social ills from the drug epidemic(massive criminal gangs, gangs murdered each other to control "corners" etc...) come from drugs being illegal. If Americans truly believed in the free market and individual responsibility(i.e. letting people who want to become addicts kill themselves) drugs wouldn't be a problem.
5 posted on 09/22/2007 8:35:26 PM PDT by ketsu
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To: amchugh

In other words, we are stuck, and there’s no way out.

Does anyone wish to contest that?


6 posted on 09/22/2007 8:37:30 PM PDT by proxy_user
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The problem is of course, that the dhims wouldn’t let people kill themselves with drugs, no matter how much they begged to be allowed to do it.

Every proposal I hear about legalizing drugs includes the phrase “tax the hell out of them” to pay for “education, treatment, etc.”.

Legalize drugs and let me shoot people who try to rob me and we can call it even.


7 posted on 09/22/2007 8:42:23 PM PDT by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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To: PLMerite
The problem is of course, that the dhims wouldn’t let people kill themselves with drugs, no matter how much they begged to be allowed to do it.

Every proposal I hear about legalizing drugs includes the phrase “tax the hell out of them” to pay for “education, treatment, etc.”.

Legalize drugs and let me shoot people who try to rob me and we can call it even.
ding ding ding. Taxing drugs ruins the whole point of legalization, using the free market to get rid of the black market.

I'll never deny your right to shoot. Just make sure the hooligan is facing you when you fire ;)
8 posted on 09/22/2007 8:45:59 PM PDT by ketsu
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To: PLMerite
Legalize drugs and let me shoot people who try to rob me and we can call it even.

Sounds good to me.

9 posted on 09/22/2007 8:50:30 PM PDT by timm22 (Think critically)
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Enforcement of drug laws is largely nonexistent in San Francisco and has been for some time. How consistent are their results with your predictions?


10 posted on 09/22/2007 9:01:50 PM PDT by ROP_RIP
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Enforcement of drug laws is largely nonexistent in San Francisco and has been for some time. How consistent are their results with your predictions?
Supply is more important than demand. I have a feeling someone who actually goes into largescale production(which would drive down costs and drive the gangs out of business) would get busted pretty fast, even in SF. AFAIK The non-enforcement is usually for small time dealers and junkies.
11 posted on 09/22/2007 9:07:34 PM PDT by ketsu
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To: Jorge
...an open society has no realistic choice but to concern itself with the harm that people do—not just to others, but to themselves. It has not only a right but a duty to do this. The question is not whether it should exercise this duty, but only how and under what circumstances.

Drugs or other self-destructive behavior may pose risks to a society's freedom, but so does unrestrained power at the hands of the state. If we accept that "no man is an island" and that society has to "protect us from ourselves", then we run the risk of opening the door to totalitarianism. The gun pointed at drug abuse today could someday be pointed at unhealthy diets, excess television, or too many hours at the office.

That's why it is important to remember that society has many means of addressing harmful behavior beyond legal prohibition.

12 posted on 09/22/2007 9:22:57 PM PDT by timm22 (Think critically)
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To: amchugh
Drug addiction is not an "epidemic." It is not contagious.

A certain percentage of the population will choose to abuse drugs to varying degrees. The vast majority will not.

13 posted on 09/22/2007 9:26:08 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (Don't taze me, bro!!)
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To: Jorge
Well said...and I agree.

Very good. When can we start executing liquor store clerks?

-ccm

14 posted on 09/22/2007 9:51:02 PM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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Very good. When can we start executing liquor store clerks?

Way too predictable.

15 posted on 09/22/2007 10:18:11 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: PLMerite

Sure. I’m all for letting you shoot a drunk if he tries to rob you.


16 posted on 09/23/2007 4:37:00 PM PDT by Nate505
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Most of the drug problem can easily be solved simply by securing the borders,...

I can agree with you on that...

17 posted on 09/24/2007 3:46:41 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: PLMerite
Legalize drugs and let me shoot people who try to rob me and we can call it even.

Almost even... let me cut their throats if they give or sell them to my kids... only then would I call it even...

18 posted on 09/24/2007 3:49:21 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: ketsu; ROP_RIP
ROP_RIP: Enforcement of drug laws is largely nonexistent in San Francisco and has been for some time.

ketsu: Supply is more important than demand.

The druggies, like the sex perverts, can only perpetuate an ever increasing demand for their filth by molesting the minds and bodies of the young ones.

19 posted on 09/24/2007 3:53:21 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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Does anyone wish to contest that?


Yeah. I do. There is no “war on drugs.” The police and other agencies fight drugs the same way fire departments fight fire. And I don’t hear them saying there’s a “war on fire.” There is no end to it, but you keep going just the same.


20 posted on 09/24/2007 3:55:12 AM PDT by durasell (!)
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