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Parallel universe proof boosts time travel hopes
The Telegraph ^ | 9/21/2007 | Roger Highfield

Posted on 09/22/2007 8:52:50 PM PDT by bruinbirdman

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To: Hound of the Baskervilles
"I've been interested in this topic for a long time. But this can't be the final word. There will be other scientists working like mad to prove them wrong."

I proved that Grigory Perelman's proof of the century-old Poincare Conjecture was incorrect. I have not received my million rubles.

yitbos

61 posted on 09/22/2007 11:57:48 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." -- Ayn Rand)
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To: bruinbirdman

In any case congratulations on about 10% decent replies, the rest being hackneyed political (non-)humor.


62 posted on 09/23/2007 12:27:25 AM PDT by SteveMcKing
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To: Nervous Tick

Yeah, that happens to me, too. I’ve noticed it is particularly accute near large, electrical appliances.

Numerous times I’ve sat, halfway between the refrigerator and the TV (country-style kitchen), and heard about so-and-so has just died. Then a month later I find out the bloke is still alive.

I think I should move the TV.


63 posted on 09/23/2007 12:33:07 AM PDT by SatinDoll
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To: bruinbirdman

WAITER I’ll have 2 of whatever their Drinking please


64 posted on 09/23/2007 12:42:07 AM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK (In everyday life there is more than meets the eye to reach the depths of truth we must DRAGTHEWATERS)
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To: uptoolate
Don't they call that the Tardis ?
65 posted on 09/23/2007 12:44:15 AM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK (In everyday life there is more than meets the eye to reach the depths of truth we must DRAGTHEWATERS)
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To: bruinbirdman
Every since it was given serious lab cred...

So he can get some "writer cred", someone should inform this dude that the term is "Ever since", not "Every since".

66 posted on 09/23/2007 12:47:20 AM PDT by TChris (Governments don't RAISE money; they TAKE it.)
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To: bruinbirdman

In my parallel universe, 32 year old Buddy Holly survived a close call in 1959 when the Beechcraft Bonanza he was traveling in almost crashed after engine trouble, fortunately the pilot was able to bring the aircraft to a safe, if rough landing.

After that near brush with death, Holly retired from the music industry in 1960 and successfully ran for Congress in the 19th congressional district (Lubbock) and he became a strong advocate for the military, having once volunteered for military service in 1944 at the age of 17.

Following the assassination of JFK in 1963, newly inaugurated President Lyndon Johnson took note of the up and coming Holly, and asked the Democratic convention of ‘64 to nominate Holly as his Vice Presidential candidate, and following the LBJ landslide against Goldwater, Holly found himself the youngest Vice President in U.S. history.

LBJ sent his new Vice President on a fact finding mission to Vietnam in early 1966, and upon his return Holly was unintentionally caught on a live-TV feed saying “America can win this war as long as we don’t let the damn Commies in the U.N. do to us what they did to us in Korea in ‘53”, this resulted in public support for the Vietnam War increasing to the point where a ‘Victory Movement’ formed, with massive ‘Victory Now’ protests taking place in every major U.S. city, LBJ was reported to have said to Holly “you sure have a way with words Buddy, now I guess we’re going to have to bomb those gooks back into the Stone Age, like LeMay said we ought to do”.

After 90 days of strategic bombing of every industrial-military target in North Vietnam, Hanoi was informed by Secretary of State Dean Rusk that if they did not surrender unconditionally, that nuclear weapons would be employed and Red China was privately notified that if Hanoi did not surrender, that the coming American nuclear strike would also include Peking’s rudimentary military-industrial base.

Hanoi’s Communists surrendered, and Vietnam was unified under the government of President Nguyen Van Thieu. With the exception of Red China and their stooge regime in North Korea, Communism in the Far East was suddenly on the decline.

Following the unexpected and near fatal heart attack of LBJ in the summer of 1968 and his subsequent withdrawal from the campaign, Vice President Charles Hardin ‘Buddy’ Holly was nominated by acclamation by the Democratic convention as their presidential candidate, and in a surprising move, Holly asked retired Air Force General Curtis E. LeMay to be his running mate, and LeMay accepted.

The Holly-LeMay ticket went on to victory by a comfortable margin over the liberal Republican ticket led by New York Governor Nelson Rockefeller and Massachusetts Senator Edward Brooke.

After eight years of Democratic political domination, America became restless in 1976, and when former California Governor Ronald Reagan thundered ‘America, it’s time for a change!’ and pointed out the hypocrisy of an Administration that had it’s roots in urging victory in Vietnam, but settling for ‘detente’ with the Soviet Union. Reagan’s bold denunciation of the Soviets as an ‘Evil Empire’ resonated with the voters, and when Reagan, having sewn up the GOP nomination early, made it known that his only choice for Vice President was ‘Mr. Conservative himself’, i.e. Senator Barry Goldwater, conservatives in America went wild, and the Democratic ticket of one-term Governor of Georgia Jimmy Carter and Senator Walter Mondale of Minnesota went down to defeat, Carter failing to carry even his home state, Mondale carrying Minnesota, and the Democrats were stunned by only carrying the District of Columbia, Hawaii and West Virginia.

Well, there’s a peek at my parallel universe. I like it here. :)


67 posted on 09/23/2007 1:03:11 AM PDT by mkjessup (Jan 20, 2009 - "We Don't Know. Where Rudy Went. Just Glad He's Not. The President. Burma Shave.")
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To: TChris

So he can get some “writer cred”, someone should inform this dude that the term is “Ever since”, not “Every since”..................................I think it depends on which universe your actually in..........Suppose you lived in Phuket,Thailand. Wouldn’t you have a different prospective ?.......get outta the program and back into the programme man !


68 posted on 09/23/2007 1:42:51 AM PDT by CheezyChesster (Failed Diplomacy : IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MONEY STUPID !!!)
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To: KevinDavis

I am sure that you will like this thread!


69 posted on 09/23/2007 2:29:44 AM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (IF TREASON IS THE QUESTION, THEN MOVEON.ORG IS THE ANSWER! - Just don't taze me, bro!)
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To: bruinbirdman
Every one remembers the ST:TNG and Stargate episodes that dealt with a casualty loop. You can be stuck reliving the same events over and over again without having any knowledge you're doing so. That's one example of a paradox effect at work. I think ST: DS9 and the X-Files also portrayed similiar paradox scenarios. As for parallel universe, sci-fi has portrayed them too. In one Stargate episode, Colonel O'Neill and Samantha Carter get married in a parallel universe. Again on ST:TNG, Worf finds himself shifting through a multitude of parallel universes. I think its logically supportable since free will theory posits an indefinite number of decision-making outcomes, like the branches of a tree. The points go on forever. In some universes, we don't exist. In others, we're evil. In still others, we're famous. We're married in some universes and single in others. Quantum mechanics would postulate that all things that are possible, literally can and do happen. And as were we all live in the mind of God, who sees all things, yesterday, today and forever.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

70 posted on 09/23/2007 2:38:38 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: mkjessup

A lot of the best (and a lot of other) Science Fiction has been written on the theme of Alternate or Parallel Universes. Witers including Asimov, Clarke, Heinlein, Poul Anderson, H. Beam Piper, and Harry Turtledove have written extensively on this theme.

One of the earliest examples was ‘Bring the Jubilee’, in which the South won the Civil War (Newt Gingrich has expanded on this idea in recent ficion). Other histories have included Rome never falling, Cyrus the Great never being born, and the Aryans, instead of invading Europe and South Asia, instead invading the Americas, conquering the Amerindians before any pre-Columbian civilization had occurred (Just as a side point the Indus Valley civilization would have lived and prospered).


71 posted on 09/23/2007 2:39:40 AM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (IF TREASON IS THE QUESTION, THEN MOVEON.ORG IS THE ANSWER! - Just don't taze me, bro!)
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To: bruinbirdman

This makes my hair hurt.


72 posted on 09/23/2007 2:44:41 AM PDT by leadhead (Democracy can withstand anything but democrats)
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To: bruinbirdman
Alternate-universe theory is attractive for several reasons. As a (former) physicist, I find it appealing because it would provide consistent answers to several nagging questions about quantum indeterminacy, and a couple that arise from the requirement to use complex numbers to represent real phenomena. As a Christian, I like it because it helps to answer one of the oldest of all puzzles: how God can be omniscient while Man still has free will. How could a thinking man not love a conception like that?

But I seriously doubt that a way to test alternate-universe theory will ever be discovered. Not in this universe, anyway!

Freedom, Wealth, and Peace,
Francis W. Porretto
Eternity Road

73 posted on 09/23/2007 3:16:33 AM PDT by fporretto (This tagline is programming you in ways that will not be apparent for years. Forget! Forget!)
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To: ALASKA; ActionNewsBill; airborne; albertp; andysandmikesmom; areafiftyone; aruanan; ...

Time travel pings.......


74 posted on 09/23/2007 3:21:39 AM PDT by Las Vegas Dave ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." Hillary Clinton, June 2004.)
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To: bruinbirdman
This would explain TROOFERS.... but then again it wouldn't

An American Expat in Southeast Asia

75 posted on 09/23/2007 4:26:18 AM PDT by expatguy (Support Conservative Blogging - "An American Expat in Southeast Asia")
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To: mkjessup

I would like to live in a parallel universe where I am the stay-home father of Ann Coulter’s children.


76 posted on 09/23/2007 4:37:05 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (The Democratic Party will not exist in a few years....we are watching history unfold before us.)
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77 posted on 09/23/2007 4:37:20 AM PDT by expatguy (Support Conservative Blogging - "An American Expat in Southeast Asia")
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78 posted on 09/23/2007 4:42:52 AM PDT by Eye of Unk
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To: bruinbirdman

“Parallel universes really do exist, according to a mathematical discovery.”

The one good thing to come from Bill Clinton’s presidency is that we learned to pay close attention to what is really said.

The quote above does not say it is proof parallel universes exist. It says a mathematical discovery indicates they do. This is a long way from being “proof” or even “significant”.

Basically, a mathematical construct assuming parallel universes exists explains certain quantum behavior. As the number of possible explanations for this quantum behavior is infinite and this is but one, we are a long way from needing to worry about the existence of parallel universes.


79 posted on 09/23/2007 4:46:20 AM PDT by rgboomers (This space purposely left blank)
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To: COgamer
No scientist worth ANYTHING would ever present “proof” of a controversial theory. Even theories that are more or less “proven” remain labeled theories because other, as yet undiscovered, explanations could exist.

Last night I was reading a CREVO thread. The contrast with this one is striking. It was the usual suspects hurling insults at one another, talking about how ID cannot be a theory or how Darwinism is only a theory, not a fact, etc.

If I accept your statement here (and I do), I see the basis for pursuing any theory to try to match data and observation to it, rather than simply saying that is can't be. I wonder how the CREVO discussions would be different if the would only take your approach... let's set up the theories and look at the evidence and continue to challenge both theories. It will never be settled, but inquiry could continue on both theories.

Ah well, perhaps that is happening in one of those parallel universes.

80 posted on 09/23/2007 5:00:03 AM PDT by TN4Liberty (A liberal is someone who believes Scooter Libby should be in jail and Bill Clinton should not.)
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