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To: rickmichaels
This is why it astounds me that all scientists don’t automatically believe in God.

The best science can do is to state the Big Bang occurred. They think they can describe the Universe to within a second of the Grand Explosion.

However, they can’t begin to even theorize what was there before that, or what put that sort of matter and energy together, or what caused that. And the moment they come up with something, I’ll be right there asking them, okay, then what caused THAT?

Science asks you to put your faith in the knowledge that we can never know what was “there” before “that,” while those who have always known of God have always had an explanation and always will. And it is something that provides true meaning and allows one to accept that God is God and He wants the best for us.

Science tells us we shouldn’t care about death, because there is nothing we can do about it. God asks us to follow Him and our fears will be wiped away and we will indeed continue.

It’s ironic that something known by the simplest people for thousands of years is capable of so overwhelming the greatest inklings of science with all it claims to date.

I’m fascinated by this dichotomy and saddened that so many are so mislead.

6 posted on 09/23/2007 7:25:59 AM PDT by ConservativeMind
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To: ConservativeMind
This is why it astounds me that all scientists don’t automatically believe in God.

It would astound me if every roadblock in scientific understanding elicited a desire to ascribe that lack of understanding to an unknowable mystery force.

Were that the case, we'd all still be hunting with spears, wearing loincloths and bowing to the mysterious, unknowable Sun God.

12 posted on 09/23/2007 7:37:29 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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To: ConservativeMind
What makes one feel like an amoeba is to contemplate that the Mind that could imagine--not to mention create--not only this universe but multiple universes can hear and answer the prayers of us humans, here on a small planet on the edge of an unremarkable galaxy in what could well be one of the minor universes--can allow me to keep my son, 32 years after his contracting juvenile diabetes, and not only to allow me to have him but to have his wonderful wife and beautiful children and loads of happiness. I love to tell my beloved daughter-in-law--whom I consider to be my daughter--that she is an answered prayer. She is.

When one wonders at the wonderful wonder of it all--Copernicus seems downright arrogant.

Can He keep track of all the rabbits, all the euglenas, all the mosquitoes? All the dinosaurs? Is His eye really on the sparrow?

Years ago, when I consulted Andre d'Angelo--who worked with his beloved and then deceased wife, Dory--he told me that the Angel of Joy and the Angel of Gratitude were coming to me. (He also told me plenty more, incluing predictions that came true and personal insights that were invaluable.) I immediately appreciated the gifts of the Angel of Joy--needless to say! The older I grow, the more I appreciate and value the gifts of the Angel of Gratitude, whom I love every bit as much.

I love Alan Ball's final lines of the movie, American Beauty: "I can only feel gratitude..."

20 posted on 09/23/2007 8:24:43 AM PDT by Savage Beast ("History is not just cruel. It is witty." ~Charles Krauthammer)
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25 posted on 09/23/2007 9:16:26 AM PDT by RightWhale (25 degrees today. Phase state change accomplished.)
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To: ConservativeMind

Indeed, for a bunch of people who claim they can’t believe in God for lack of proof, they instantly except that there are massive amounts of unseen material.

So the answer to, “How is this possible without God?” is “Easy, its unknown invisible matter that is everywhere around us.”


27 posted on 09/23/2007 9:25:51 AM PDT by SampleMan (Islamic tolerance is practiced by killing you last.)
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To: ConservativeMind

Indeed, for a bunch of people who claim they can’t believe in God for lack of proof, they instantly except that there are massive amounts of unseen material.

So the answer to, “How is this possible without God?” is “Easy, its unknown invisible matter that is everywhere around us.”


28 posted on 09/23/2007 9:25:52 AM PDT by SampleMan (Islamic tolerance is practiced by killing you last.)
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To: ConservativeMind
I’ll be right there asking them, okay, then what caused THAT?

It's too bad so many of us lose the inquistiveness of a 3 year old. :^)

29 posted on 09/23/2007 9:54:09 AM PDT by TheDon (The DemocRAT party is the party of TREASON! Overthrow the terrorist's congress!)
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To: ConservativeMind

“This is why it astounds me that all scientists don’t automatically believe in God.
The best science can do is to state the Big Bang occurred. They think they can describe the Universe to within a second of the Grand Explosion.
However, they can’t begin to even theorize what was there before that, or what put that sort of matter and energy together, or what caused that.”


It is simply unkwown and a mystery because it is at the limits of our science understanding right now. Like many solved mysteries before. A mystery does not default to supernatural explainations in science.

“And the moment they come up with something, I’ll be right there asking them, okay, then what caused THAT?”


Excellent, that is good. And science does the same thing.
But the answers in science require a great deal of hard work and time.

“Science asks you to put your faith in the knowledge that we can never know what was “there” before “that,” while those who have always known of God have always had an explanation and always will. And it is something that provides true meaning and allows one to accept that God is God and He wants the best for us.”

Science does not ask anything of faith. That is theologys realm. Science simply demands a process and full scrutiny and testing of those processes so one can trust that data.

“Science tells us we shouldn’t care about death, because there is nothing we can do about it. God asks us to follow Him and our fears will be wiped away and we will indeed continue.”


Again science does not tell anyone to care or not care about anything. It is as process, a tool kit to explain the world around us. Science cannot prove or disprove life after death. Only that no hard examinable evidence exists thus far.

“It’s ironic that something known by the simplest people for thousands of years is capable of so overwhelming the greatest inklings of science with all it claims to date.”

Again, science doesn’t care, it can’t. It is a process.
Now scientists are human beings. And many have been people who held faiths of various kinds.

I’m fascinated by this dichotomy and saddened that so many are so mislead.”

Don’t be saddened. There is nothing to be sad about.

There are thousands of theological views in the world, even more if you go back in history.

Which one do you feel is not mis-leading anyone?
There are so many. Even amongst christians yes?
Some very strange ones too. At least to us.

In free nations, we can come to our own conclusions.
I am not religeous. I have not been “mislead” at anytime.
I have been exposed to many views.

I put my trust in the the scientific process because it has earned it. I accept I cannot have answers to every question.


Legendary scientist Freeman Dyson..........

“Science and religion are two windows that people look through, trying to understand the big universe outside, trying to understand why we are here. The two windows give different views, but they look out at the same universe. Both views are one-sided, neither is complete. Both leave out essential features of the real world. And both are worthy of respect.
Trouble arises when either science or religion claims universal jurisdiction, when either religious dogma or scientific dogma claims to be infallible. Religious creationists and scientific materialists are equally dogmatic and insensitive. By their arrogance they bring both science and religion into disrepute. The media exaggerate their numbers and importance. The media rarely mention the fact that the great majority of religious people belong to moderate denominations that treat science with respect, or the fact that the great majority of scientists treat religion with respect so long as religion does not claim jurisdiction over scientific questions.”


32 posted on 09/23/2007 10:47:37 AM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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