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Tesla Announces 2008 Production Schedule; Hits Milestones on Crash and Range Testing
www.greencarcongress.com ^ | 09/25/2007 | staff

Posted on 09/25/2007 6:46:30 AM PDT by Red Badger

Tesla Motors has set a production goal of 50 electric Roadsters in the first quarter of 2008, followed by an additional 600 cars for the remainder of the year.

Tesla is currently engaged in intensive durability and validation testing of the final prototype cars. As part of this final testing, a Tesla Roadster ran for 245 miles on the combined EPA cycle on a single charge (236 on the EPA highway cycle, 255 on the EPA city cycle).

In an announcement earlier this year, Tesla notified customers that the EPA range of the car was not likely to reach the original goal of 250, and instead would be closer to 200 miles based on progress at that time. Since then, Tesla engineers have worked diligently to improve on this.

Separately, a validation prototype Tesla Roadster successfully passed static and dynamic side-intrusion crash tests, the only tests that were not passed in the earlier prototype phase.

In other performance testing, a validation prototype Tesla Roadster accelerated consistently from 0 to 60 mph in under 4 seconds.

Tesla will stop taking reservations for 2008 Roadsters in the near future and initiate a traditional waiting list. Customers who sign up for the waiting list will pay $5,000 for their place in line for additional 2008 Roadsters if and when an increase in production is announced. Alternatively, customers on the waiting list will be first in line for the 2009 model year Roadster (pricing and specifications for 2009 Roadsters is not yet announced.)

Resources: Where the Rubber Meets the Road (Tesla engineer post on range and performance testing.) http://www.teslamotors.com


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: automobile; electriccar; energy; tesla
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1 posted on 09/25/2007 6:46:33 AM PDT by Red Badger
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To: Uncledave; sully777; Abathar

Ping!...............


2 posted on 09/25/2007 6:47:31 AM PDT by Red Badger (ALL that CARBON in ALL that oil & coal was once in the atmospere. We're just putting it back!)
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To: Red Badger

These guys are on to something...but they need to produce a sedan and obviously the cost has to come down considerably.


3 posted on 09/25/2007 6:48:54 AM PDT by Slapshot68
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To: Red Badger

How do I buy stock? Are these guys publicly traded?


4 posted on 09/25/2007 6:50:42 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys--Reagan and Bush)
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To: Red Badger

0-60 in under 4 seconds. If I had one of those I would be in a neck brace by the end of the week.


5 posted on 09/25/2007 6:51:18 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: Red Badger
Not this Tesla:


6 posted on 09/25/2007 6:51:21 AM PDT by RabidBartender (Al-Qaeda doesn't need an intelligence network. They have the U.S. media.)
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To: Red Badger
not too shabby....


7 posted on 09/25/2007 6:51:41 AM PDT by FormerACLUmember (The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims.)
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To: RabidBartender
This Tesla (2006 I think):


8 posted on 09/25/2007 6:52:59 AM PDT by RabidBartender (Al-Qaeda doesn't need an intelligence network. They have the U.S. media.)
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To: RabidBartender
And not this Tesla:


9 posted on 09/25/2007 6:53:23 AM PDT by FormerACLUmember (The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims.)
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To: yldstrk

I don’t know. You’d have to check the website...............


10 posted on 09/25/2007 6:55:49 AM PDT by Red Badger (ALL that CARBON in ALL that oil & coal was once in the atmospere. We're just putting it back!)
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To: Red Badger
"236 on the EPA highway cycle, 255 on the EPA city cycle"

The difference is regenerative braking that gives the battery a charge while slowing down...but the above difference is so small that one should wonder if the car would be better off without the weight, complexity, and cost of the regenerative circuits and components.

11 posted on 09/25/2007 6:56:08 AM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Abathar
0-60 in under 4 seconds.

I need that.............

12 posted on 09/25/2007 6:56:33 AM PDT by Red Badger (ALL that CARBON in ALL that oil & coal was once in the atmospere. We're just putting it back!)
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To: Slapshot68

I took a quick look at the article, but didn’t see the price. Just how expensive is it?


13 posted on 09/25/2007 6:57:39 AM PDT by HeadOn (Hey kids - Learn to think instead of prepping for the test.)
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To: Slapshot68

http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/driving/new_car_reviews/article2036260.ece?OTC-HPtoppuff&ATTR=teslac

Jay Leno’s review..............


14 posted on 09/25/2007 6:57:48 AM PDT by Red Badger (ALL that CARBON in ALL that oil & coal was once in the atmospere. We're just putting it back!)
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To: FormerACLUmember

Actually, *that* Tesla did build an electric car under contract for Pierce-Arrow and General Electric.


15 posted on 09/25/2007 6:58:02 AM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: HeadOn

$100k..............


16 posted on 09/25/2007 6:58:23 AM PDT by Red Badger (ALL that CARBON in ALL that oil & coal was once in the atmospere. We're just putting it back!)
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To: HeadOn

$98k.


17 posted on 09/25/2007 6:58:39 AM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Red Badger; Southack

Wow. Thanks for the info.


18 posted on 09/25/2007 6:59:47 AM PDT by HeadOn (Hey kids - Learn to think instead of prepping for the test.)
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To: HeadOn

http://www.teslamotors.com/blog4/?p=60


19 posted on 09/25/2007 7:00:49 AM PDT by Red Badger (ALL that CARBON in ALL that oil & coal was once in the atmospere. We're just putting it back!)
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To: FormerACLUmember
The town of Brookhaven is finally gonna turn his Shoreham, LI laboratory into a museum. The project was funded about six months ago.

I live barely 30 minutes away, and I'll be one of the first in line when the museum opens!
20 posted on 09/25/2007 7:01:02 AM PDT by LIConFem (Thompson 2008. Lifetime ACU Rating: 86 -- Hunter 2008 (VP) Lifetime ACU Rating: 92)
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To: Red Badger

They need to start fessing up as to how much it will cost per charge. The mileage/charge is good in terms of showing that it’s comparable to internal combustion, but it’s never clear how much an electric car costs to operate.


21 posted on 09/25/2007 7:01:06 AM PDT by ichabod1 ("Self defense is not only our right, it is our duty." President Ronald Reagan)
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To: HeadOn

The roadster is around $100,000.

http://www.teslamotors.com/


22 posted on 09/25/2007 7:05:04 AM PDT by Slapshot68
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To: Southack; LIConFem
For all you hardcore Tesla fans (all 3 of us), here is David Bowie as Tesla in the movie "The Prestige."


23 posted on 09/25/2007 7:05:59 AM PDT by FormerACLUmember (The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims.)
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To: Red Badger
Customers who sign up for the waiting list will pay $5,000 for their place in line for additional 2008 Roadsters if and when an increase in production is announced

Nobody sees a problem with this? PSL for cars? Wow what a priveledge....PT Barnum said something about this.
24 posted on 09/25/2007 7:06:48 AM PDT by mmichaels1970
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To: ichabod1

“They need to start fessing up as to how much it will cost per charge. The mileage/charge is good in terms of showing that it’s comparable to internal combustion, but it’s never clear how much an electric car costs to operate.”

According to the History Channel, it’s the equivalent of $1.50/gallon...compared to $3.00/gallon of gas.

Of course, if we are ALL driving electric cars, the increase demand would drive the price of electricity up.


25 posted on 09/25/2007 7:08:52 AM PDT by Slapshot68
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To: FormerACLUmember
I saw that a few months ago. Not a bad flick, but not enough of the man himself (Bowie/Tesla).

Never knew magicians were so cut-throat!
26 posted on 09/25/2007 7:09:31 AM PDT by LIConFem (Thompson 2008. Lifetime ACU Rating: 86 -- Hunter 2008 (VP) Lifetime ACU Rating: 92)
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To: FormerACLUmember
For all you hardcore Tesla fans (all 3 of us), here is David Bowie as Tesla in the movie "The Prestige."

Is that THE David Bowie? The singer?

27 posted on 09/25/2007 7:12:56 AM PDT by Dr._Joseph_Warren
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To: Red Badger

I suppose it’s patriotic to have one of these but I’m always miffed at producing this great economical vehicle and then price it to the top 10% of the populace. If they stuck the motor in something like a PT Cruiser and put a halfway reasonable price on it it would probably take off. Initial investment recovery I guess is the cause. Same thing with the Prius any fuel saving are blown in the inflated price. Still people are buying them left and right.


28 posted on 09/25/2007 7:14:10 AM PDT by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: RabidBartender

I thought they were announcing their new tour from the thread title.


29 posted on 09/25/2007 7:14:58 AM PDT by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Still Championship U)
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To: Dr._Joseph_Warren
"Is that THE David Bowie? The singer?"

He bears an uncanny resemblence to Ziggy Stardust.

30 posted on 09/25/2007 7:17:02 AM PDT by RabidBartender (Al-Qaeda doesn't need an intelligence network. They have the U.S. media.)
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To: ontap

Read the Jay Leno review piece. It’s natural for “new” technology to be high priced and therefore available to the rich only at first. Remember, when automobiles first came out in the late 19th and early 20th century, they were considered “rich men’s toys”......................


31 posted on 09/25/2007 7:18:32 AM PDT by Red Badger (ALL that CARBON in ALL that oil & coal was once in the atmospere. We're just putting it back!)
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To: Dr._Joseph_Warren

David Bowie is a pretty darn good actor, too.................


32 posted on 09/25/2007 7:20:34 AM PDT by Red Badger (ALL that CARBON in ALL that oil & coal was once in the atmospere. We're just putting it back!)
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To: Slapshot68

I’m using about 20 gals a week. Approx.$60.00 I just don’t see it costing thirty dollars a week to charge batteries am I all wet. Also solar battery chargers could offset some of the cost. Replacing the batteries is what I see as the big negative.


33 posted on 09/25/2007 7:20:36 AM PDT by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: ichabod1
Right now they are estimating 2 cents per mile at current electrical rates.

To equate that to current gas prices --- the car gets around 125-175 MPG depending on where you live and whether you want to compare it to regular or premium gasoline.

I would figure the comparison would be to premium as that is what most gas vehicles with comparable performance would use. In that case you are nearer to the 175 MPG figure.

The biggest drawback obviously is that this is a "around home" car, it cannot be taken on long trips because of the 3-4 hour recharge time. But, if you have the 100 grabnd to blow this looks like it would be one hell of a fun back anf forth to work car.

34 posted on 09/25/2007 7:20:50 AM PDT by commish (Freedom tastes sweetest to those who have fought to protect it.)
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To: ichabod1

I do not know about the tesla, but I have done some calculations in the real world on the cost of charging batteries vs. gasoline.

Using the miles range of a charged battery and a cost of charging that battery, it looks like the cost to me is about the same as 85 MPG in an internal combustion engine.

In other words, an internal combustion golf cart would have to get 85 MPG or more to be cheaper than a battery operated one. I used $2.50/gallon as a figure and the electric rates here in Utah.

.....Bob


35 posted on 09/25/2007 7:22:49 AM PDT by Lokibob (Some people are like slinkys. Useless, but if you throw them down the stairs, you smile.)
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To: Dr._Joseph_Warren

FROM WIKI:

Acting career

Bowie’s first major film role in The Man Who Fell to Earth (1976) earned acclaim. David’s character Thomas Jerome Newton is an alien from a planet that is dying from a lack of water. In Just a Gigolo (1979), an Anglo-German co-production directed by David Hemmings, Bowie played the lead role of a Prussian officer Paul von Pryzgodski returning from World War I who is discovered by a Baroness (Marlene Dietrich) and put into her Gigolo Stable.

In the eighties Bowie continued with film roles and also starred in the Broadway production of The Elephant Man (1980-1981). In 1982 he made a cameo appearance as himself in Christiane F., focusing on a young girl’s drug addiction. Bowie also starred in The Hunger (1983), a revisionist vampire movie with Catherine Deneuve and Susan Sarandon. In the film, Bowie and Deneuve are vampire lovers, with her having made him a vampire centuries ago. While she is truly ageless, he discovers to his horror that although immortal, he can still age and rapidly becomes a pathetic, monstrous husk as the film progresses. In Nagisa Oshima’s film Merry Christmas, Mr. Lawrence (1983), based on Laurens van der Post’s novel The Seed and the Sower, Bowie played Major Jack Celliers, a prisoner of war in a Japanese internment camp. Another famous musician, Ryuichi Sakamoto, played the camp commandant who begins to be undermined by Celliers’ bizarre behavior. Bowie had a cameo as The Shark in Yellowbeard, a 1983 pirate comedy made by some of the members of Monty Python, and a small part as Colin the hit man in the 1985 film Into the Night. During this time Bowie was also asked to play the villain Max Zorin in the James Bond film A View to a Kill (1985), but turned down the role, stating that “I didn’t want to spend five months watching my stunt double fall off mountains.”[41]

Merry Christmas, Mr. Lawrence impressed some critics but his next major film project, the rock musical Absolute Beginners (1986), was both a critical and box office disappointment. The same year he appeared in the Jim Henson cult classic, the dark fantasy Labyrinth (1986), playing Jareth, the king of the goblins. Jareth is a powerful, mysterious creature who has an antagonistic yet strangely flirtatious relationship with Sarah (Jennifer Connelly), the film’s teenage heroine. Appearing in heavy make-up and a mane-like wig, Bowie sings a variety of new songs specially composed for the film’s soundtrack. Bowie also played a sympathetic Pontius Pilate in Martin Scorsese’s The Last Temptation of Christ (1988). He was briefly considered for the role of The Joker by Tim Burton and Sam Hamm for 1989’s Batman. Hamm recalls “David Bowie would be kind of neat because he’s very funny when he does sinister roles”. The role ended up going to Jack Nicholson.[42]

Bowie portrayed a disgruntled restaurant employee opposite Rosanna Arquette in The Linguini Incident (1991), and played mysterious FBI agent Phillip Jeffries in David Lynch’s Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me (1992). He took the small but pivotal role of Andy Warhol in Basquiat artist/director Julian Schnabel’s 1996 biopic of the artist Jean-Michel Basquiat – Bowie had met Warhol and been a guest at The Factory, though their relationship was a cool one (Warhol did not appreciate Bowie’s 1971 composition, ‘Andy Warhol’, feeling that it was poking fun at him, though wrote about him in glowing terms in his diaries when they occasionally met in the 1980s). Before appearing in The Hunger, a TV horror serial based on the 1983 movie, Bowie was invited by drum and bass Godfather, Goldie to play the ageing gangster Bernie in Andrew Goth’s independent, ‘Brighton Rock’ inspired movie, ‘Everybody Loves Sunshine’ (later re-released as B.U.S.T.E.D) indicating that however some commentators may have felt about Bowie dipping into Jungle music on his album ‘Earthling’, one of the most influential figures involved in the form was interested in what Bowie had to do in the genre (also appearing on Goldie’s album, ‘Saturnz Return’ around the same time). He played the title role in Mr. Rice’s Secret (2000) in which he is the neighbour of a terminally ill twelve year old. Shortly after Mr Rice dies, the boy discovers that Mr. Rice has planned a special treasure hunt which will lead to an important secret.

In 2001, Bowie appeared as himself in the film Zoolander, volunteering himself to be a walkoff judge between Ben Stiller’s character Zoolander, and Owen Wilson’s character Hansel. The film, a comedy, pays homage to Bowie’s legacy as a fashion pioneer in allowing him this role. Bowie portrayed Nikola Tesla alongside Christian Bale and Hugh Jackman in The Prestige (2006), directed by Christopher Nolan. It follows the bitter competition between two magicians around the turn of the century. Bowie has voice-acted in the animated movie Arthur and the Minimoys (or Arthur and the Invisibles in the US); his role in the film is the villain, Maltazard. In a 2006 episode of Extras, appearing as himself, he (in the context of the show) improvised and sung a song mocking the main character, played by Ricky Gervais. He will lend his voice to a character in the upcoming SpongeBob SquarePants episode titled Atlantis SquarePants as “Royal Highness”.

Further information: David Bowie filmography


36 posted on 09/25/2007 7:23:09 AM PDT by Red Badger (ALL that CARBON in ALL that oil & coal was once in the atmospere. We're just putting it back!)
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To: Slapshot68
According to the History Channel, it’s the equivalent of $1.50/gallon...compared to $3.00/gallon of gas.

Would people who spend 100k on a car seriously be worried about saving $1.50/gallon on gas?
37 posted on 09/25/2007 7:23:25 AM PDT by mmichaels1970
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To: All

What the real world range, though? At 70 mph? In cut and run traffic?

What’s the range after a few 4 second runs to 60?

How much slower does it get on successive runs?

We need a real test of the thing.

Well, since it’s so expensive, I guess we don’t.


38 posted on 09/25/2007 7:24:30 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: ichabod1
"They need to start fessing up as to how much it will cost per charge."

A gallon of gasoline contains about 135,000 BTUs. A KWH contains about 3400 BTUs and costs about a dime. Thus, there are about 4 bucks worth of electrical energy in the energy in a gallon of gasoline. The Tesla will be somewhat more efficient that a gasoline vehicle, but certainly not excessively more efficient. Since electricity costs more than gasoline, but the electric car is more efficient, figure they offset each other, and the operating costs will be a push.

39 posted on 09/25/2007 7:30:49 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Planting trees to offset carbon emissions is like drinking water to offset rising ocean levels)
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To: ontap
I’m using about 20 gals a week. Approx.$60.00

The 5k you'd spend for the right to get on the waiting list would buy you 83 weeks (about 1.5 yrs) of free gas. Then, if say, you buy one of those el-cheapo 50k gas guzzlers, you could get 833 more weeks (16 years) of free gas on the cost savings alone. If you factor that the Tesla will cost $1.50 comparitively, you'd break even in fuel costs in about 1666 weeks (32 years), if my calculations are correct.
40 posted on 09/25/2007 7:32:41 AM PDT by mmichaels1970
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To: mmichaels1970

“Would people who spend 100k on a car seriously be worried about saving $1.50/gallon on gas?”

no, but like every other burgeoning technology, the price will come down.


41 posted on 09/25/2007 7:36:45 AM PDT by Slapshot68
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To: Red Badger

NICE. Thanks.


42 posted on 09/25/2007 7:44:41 AM PDT by HeadOn (Hey kids - Learn to think instead of prepping for the test.)
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To: Slapshot68

I’d hope so.....if you sell 50/quarter at $100k, your revenue would be $20mil/year. I have no idea what their expenses are, so I wouldn’t know what they clear in profit or investment income. I apologize for posting several of my negative thoughts about Tesla...I’d love to see the tech grow. I’m just kind of PO’d about the 5k waiting list, then $100k price tag. $20mil/year is a pretty small company in the general scheme of things, and is microscopic in the automotive realm. At that rate, it seems like it might take quite a long time for them to grow into affordability/practicality.


43 posted on 09/25/2007 7:45:56 AM PDT by mmichaels1970
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To: mmichaels1970

Not to mention it’s a misprint. According to the site I was directed to by several here, that should be $50,000!

$50,000 will assure you go to the next place in line, and only $30,000 will get you in line, but pushed one place down by anyone willing to go $50,000...


44 posted on 09/25/2007 7:49:17 AM PDT by HeadOn (Hey kids - Learn to think instead of prepping for the test.)
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To: mmichaels1970

Calculate again... That should be $50K, not $5K. The article left off a zero, according to the web site offered by the FReepers above.


45 posted on 09/25/2007 7:54:22 AM PDT by HeadOn (Hey kids - Learn to think instead of prepping for the test.)
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To: Red Badger

The finest in coal-powerd roadsters.


46 posted on 09/25/2007 7:54:33 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: Slapshot68

Yeah, but it might drive the price of gas down


47 posted on 09/25/2007 7:57:28 AM PDT by ichabod1 ("Self defense is not only our right, it is our duty." President Ronald Reagan)
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To: HeadOn
Calculate again

Oops...thank you for pointing out my error. So you'd get 15 years of free gas for your spot on the waiting list.

Speaking of calculations, my five year old just won one of those "guess how many jelly beans are in the jar" last week. I wonder how she figured out how to factor the circumference of beans into 2pi r to get r then use pi rsquared * h(in jelly beans) to get the number of jelly beans in the jar was 840...although she missed by 10.
48 posted on 09/25/2007 8:02:59 AM PDT by mmichaels1970
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To: norwaypinesavage
1 KWH = 3413 BTUs

So, a vehicle that gets 20 mpg traveling 60 miles will burn 3 gallons of gasoline that produces 405,000 BTUs of heat energy. That is the same energy as 118.7 KWH of electricity.

Now we get into the murky area of relative efficiency, because the auto uses, what, about 20-25% of its heat energy to move the vehicle and the rest is just dumped out via the radiator. But electric vehicles are not 100% efficient either, for at the very least there is energy lost in the recharge cycle.

In any case, it is useful to work through a real-world example to get to the point were it is shown what immense amount of energy it takes to move a vehicle. No matter how we provide that energy, it is not a trivial issue. Our energy needs cannot be met by a pair of D cells, no matter what environmentalists from a parallel universe believe.

49 posted on 09/25/2007 8:05:17 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: RabidBartender

CHANGES, TIMES MAKING CHANGES IN MY LIFE!
Opps Wrong Tesla!


50 posted on 09/25/2007 8:07:41 AM PDT by crazydad
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