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Wisconsin Circuit Court Sides With Gun Owners!
NRA-ILA ^ | 9/24/07 | STAFF

Posted on 09/29/2007 9:37:31 PM PDT by epow

Wisconsin Circuit Court Sides With Gun Owners!

Monday, September 24, 2007

Today, Monday, September 24, the 31st Circuit Court of Milwaukee County ruled that the Concealed Carry Weapons (CCW) statute was unconstitutional as applied to a particular defendant -- in this case, a pizza delivery driver who carried a gun for self-defense on the job, after being robbed repeatedly in a high crime area.

Andres Vegas is a pizza delivery driver and has been robbed and mugged while attempting to deliver a pizza on four different occasions. The first time was in March of 2005. The second time was July 14, 2006, when Vegas was attacked and threatened at gunpoint. Vegas, armed with a firearm, exercised his constitutional right of self-defense and shot one of the assailants. Vegas was not charged with the crime of carrying concealed and was ruled as acting in self defense. Not only was his firearm confiscated at the time of arrest, but it was never returned. He was subsequently told by the prosecuting District Attorney that if he were to use a firearm in self-defense again he would be prosecuted.

On September 13, 2006, an unarmed Vegas -- acting under the orders of the District Attorney to avoid prosecution -- was robbed, beaten, and sprayed with pepper spray by three assailants. Consequently Vegas went out and purchased another firearm. On January 4, 2007, Vegas was again attempting to deliver a pizza when two men approached him and pointed a gun in his face. This time, he responded by again exercising his right to self-defense and shot his assailant in the hip. Vegas then secured his assailant' s firearm along with his, placed them both on the roof of his car, dialed 911, and waited for the police to arrive. The DA determined that he acted in self defense, but he was subsequently charged with CCW for the moments before he was assaulted and defended.

Even though this charge was brought forward by the DA’s office, the court has ruled in favor of Vegas, saying:

“Defendant Vegas has demonstrated the requisite extraordinary circumstances that warrant his concealed weapon…Vegas legally purchased his firearm for the purpose of security and protection. There is a strong inference that Vegas’ concealed firearm has saved his life during these violent assaults…Vegas has a substantial interest in being secure and protecting himself by carrying a concealed weapon.”

“This Court is not convinced that there are any reasonable alternatives that would have secured Vegas’ safety. Vegas' concealed weapon has most likely saved his life on several occasions; this the State cannot ignore. The State has conceded that Vegas did not have an unlawful purpose for concealing a weapon. Given the totality of the circumstances, this Court is satisfied that the Defendant has affirmatively answered the two-prong analysis as outlined in Hamdan and Fisher and thus grants the Defendant’s motion to dismiss.”

This is a giant step forward in the battle for Right-to-Carry in Wisconsin. This court ruling will likely lead to future citizens exercising their right to self-defense by carrying concealed firearms. Unfortunately this will likely lead to subsequent prosecutions, but this circuit court ruling will become a perfect example of law-abiding citizens' need for concealed firearms for protection against crime, especially in high crime areas such as Milwaukee.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; ccw; concealedgun; rkba
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1 posted on 09/29/2007 9:37:40 PM PDT by epow
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To: DaveLoneRanger

(( BANG! ))


2 posted on 09/29/2007 9:41:46 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: epow

Bump for a good decision.


3 posted on 09/29/2007 9:42:12 PM PDT by zot
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To: epow

Chalk another good one up for us


4 posted on 09/29/2007 9:46:39 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time" LINCOLN)
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To: zot
LE should be spending their time cleaning up this neighborhood that he keeps getting robbed in.
5 posted on 09/29/2007 9:46:46 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: epow

Looks like you need to let them beat hell out of you before the “need” is valid.


6 posted on 09/29/2007 9:52:01 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: CindyDawg

In general.


7 posted on 09/29/2007 9:54:10 PM PDT by mcshot (Only your word and honor are truly yours - never go against either.)
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To: epow

Governor Doyle is not happy.


8 posted on 09/29/2007 9:54:19 PM PDT by Elsiejay (,)
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To: epow
That was a good decision. Proves something I always believed. You have to claim your rights, not wait for someone to grant them. This is a classic example. The victim claimed his rights when he needed to and the court foung him righteous. Too bad it doesn't work out that way in any uniform manner across all jurisdictions.

Maybe the SCOTUS will have have a nice surprise for us all . . if and when they hear a pending case challenging gun laws.

9 posted on 09/29/2007 9:56:35 PM PDT by Eastbound
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To: epow

Speechless.

I’d like to know what the communist DA said after the ruling. Anyone know?


10 posted on 09/29/2007 9:59:05 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (No buy China!!)
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To: epow

I’d look for another line of work if that happened more than once.


11 posted on 09/29/2007 9:59:14 PM PDT by miliantnutcase
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To: epow

Wooo-hooo! Great decision!


12 posted on 09/29/2007 10:00:54 PM PDT by G8 Diplomat (Know thy enemy. Learn Farsi.)
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To: Eastbound
It's a damned shame that he can't sue the state and the DA for the attack where he was unable to defend himself due to the threat from the DA. He was complying with the order of the DA to go about unarmed, and he was attacked. This is after he had repeatedly been attacked while carrying out his job.

If there were police reports of the previous attacks, the DA would have reasonably known that there would be attacks in the future, and his demand would (and did) put Vegas in direct jeopardy of additional physical attacks. He should be able to sue.

Mark

13 posted on 09/29/2007 10:02:27 PM PDT by MarkL (Listen, Strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government)
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To: miliantnutcase
I’m actually surprised the State didn't demand Vegas get a different job!

“It’s better to be judged by twelve than carried by six!”

14 posted on 09/29/2007 10:06:54 PM PDT by endthematrix (He was shouting 'Allah!' but I didn't hear that. It just sounded like a lot of crap to me.)
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To: endthematrix

I love that quote.


15 posted on 09/29/2007 10:07:35 PM PDT by miliantnutcase
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To: MarkL
"It's a damned shame that he can't sue the state and the DA for the attack where he was unable to defend himself due to the threat from the DA."

Or all states without CCW and cities with firearm bans.

16 posted on 09/29/2007 10:10:30 PM PDT by endthematrix (He was shouting 'Allah!' but I didn't hear that. It just sounded like a lot of crap to me.)
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To: miliantnutcase
Unfortunately it costs lot’s of money exercising your right to self-defense.
17 posted on 09/29/2007 10:14:05 PM PDT by endthematrix (He was shouting 'Allah!' but I didn't hear that. It just sounded like a lot of crap to me.)
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To: MarkL
"He should be able to sue."

Agreed. But maybe he would have a case if someone put it together correctly. Sounds like something the NRA or GOA would want to get involved in.

18 posted on 09/29/2007 10:17:13 PM PDT by Eastbound
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To: Eastbound
The problem is that you really can't sue in this sort of case. Who would you sue? You can't sue the government or the DA when the legislature hasn't passed legislation to allow legal CCW. The only thing that can be done if for someone like Vegas to lead the charge. Sort of like what Ms. Gratia-Huff did in Texas after her parents were murdered at the Luby's in Waco, TX.

Mark

19 posted on 09/29/2007 10:19:46 PM PDT by MarkL (Listen, Strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government)
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To: endthematrix
Unfortunately it costs lot’s of money exercising your right to self-defense

Yup, it's too big a risk to go into court without a lawyer even if you're totally innocent because our complicated and often incomprehensible laws are written by lawyers for lawyers instead of for ordinary people. That's just one more way to deprive us of our rights without passing an unconstitutional law, although they're very good at doing that as well.

20 posted on 09/29/2007 10:27:53 PM PDT by epow ("That which thy fathers bequeathed thee, earn it anew if thou wouldst keep it" (Celtic proverb))
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