Posted on 10/01/2007 10:21:25 AM PDT by A Longer Name
The good news is that panic scenarios about the world running out of oil any time soon are wrong. The bad news is that the price of oil is going to continue to rise....
The Peak Oil school rests its theory on conventional Western geology textbooks, most by American or British geologists, which claim oil is a "fossil fuel", a biological residue or detritus of either fossilized dinosaur remains or perhaps algae, hence a product in finite supply. Biological origin is central to Peak Oil theory...
In the 1950s, the Soviet Union faced "Iron Curtain" isolation from the West. The Cold War was in high gear. Russia had little oil to fuel its economy. Finding sufficient oil indigenously was a national-security priority of the highest order....
Scientists at the Institute of the Physics of the Earth of the Russian Academy of Sciences and the Institute of Geological Sciences of the Ukraine Academy of Sciences began a fundamental inquiry in the late 1940s: Where does oil come from? In 1956, Professor Vladimir Porfir'yev announced their conclusions: "Crude oil and natural petroleum gas have no intrinsic connection with biological matter originating near the surface of the Earth. They are primordial materials which have been erupted from great depths." ....
The radically different Russian and Ukrainian scientific approach to the discovery of oil allowed the USSR to develop huge gas and oil discoveries in regions previously judged unsuitable, according to Western geological exploration theories, for the presence of oil. The new petroleum theory was used in the early 1990s, well after the dissolution of the USSR, to drill for oil and gas in a region believed for more than 45 years to be geologically barren - the Dnieper-Donets Basin in the region between Russia and Ukraine....
(Excerpt) Read more at atimes.com ...
False. There are no commercial operation of oil production that do not contain biotic markers.
Abiotic oil bump.
I am espesially interested in your opinion about this.
May I suggest for your reading:
No Free Lunch, Part 1:
A Critique of Thomas Gold’s Claims for Abiotic Oil
by Jean Laherrere
http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:OHh4XIRawBsJ:www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/102104_no_free_pt1.shtml+%22No+Free+Lunch,+Part+1:+A+Critique+of+Thomas+Gold%27s+Claims+for+Abiotic+Oil%22&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1
No Free Lunch, Part 2:
If abiotic oil exists, where is it?
by Dale Allen Pfeiffer
http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:WKHDLUyZmgcJ:www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/011205_no_free_pt2.shtml+%22No+Free+Lunch,+Part+2:+If+Abiotic+Oil+Exists,+Where+Is+It%3F%22&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1
—bflr—
As I’ve said many times, he who have the last barrel of oil will rule the world.
Any geologists out there have an oppinion?
bump
I always wondered how animal and plant remains got 20,000 below the surface?
Not at all. Using up the cheap oil is central to Peak Cheap Oil.
Absolutely. It will either be us or the Chinese.
All instances I ever heard of who have allegedly tried the abiotic model have pumped the investors, not oil.
Every producing oil or gas well I have worked ( a few hundred in the US) has had strata associated with it containing organic debris, be that plankton, plant, or animal microfauna to macrofauna, which have been the source of the oil.
1. Let’s not confuse the “Russian theory” with the theories of this or that Western crackpot. Apparently, in Russia there is an extensive scientific literature on their theory, published in Russian. Do we know what it says? We have to, before we can think of rebutting it.
2. Don’t dimiss it out of hand because it came from the USSR. The Soviets generally produced solid science. Yes, there were episodes when the crackpots took over for political reasons (e.g. Lysenko) but not for a long time and not in the fields that mattered for national security. The fact that the theory was around for fifty years should tell us something. If it were outright nonsense it would’ve been thrown out of the window very soon after this fact became apparent. It must’ve worked, at least to a large degree.
3. Whether oil is or is not abiotic is a purely academic issue. Ultimately, all organic matter on Earth has abiotic origins. What really matters are practical applications. Perhaps the premises of the Russian theory are completely wrong, but if it makes predictions that helps the Russians find oil in places where it shouldn’t be according to the orthodox theory, if it’s the case we should look into that.
4. But, the objection goes, the Russians haven’t discovered much lately. Well, of course. Their economy just undergone a terrible crash; their oil industry has no capital and uses outdated equipment. This doesn’t mean that their theories are wrong.
Who's "he" going to sell it to?
No one. He’s just going to drive around in the only car left in the world and laugh at everybody.
he’s going to use it to drop bombs.
I don't. I've done oil field work for Russian clients in Siberia.
The fact that the theory was around for fifty years should tell us something.
The fact that in all that time it has not succeeded in finding oil tells me even more.
Whether oil is or is not abiotic is a purely academic issue.
No, the study of geology and the sedimentary layers is how oil is found, every single time.
if it makes predictions that helps the Russians find oil in places where it shouldn’t be according to the orthodox theory
It hasn't. No commercial producing oil well has been found by this method.
the Russians haven’t discovered much lately
Where do you get such information? Russia continues to expand their oil production into new areas. I've been involved in the design of some of the grassroot facilities.
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