Posted on 10/03/2007 2:03:16 PM PDT by Daffynition
The Washington Post Fact Checker column is an invaluable source on the truthiness of campaign rhetoric. Democratic presidential hopefuls Barack Obama and John Edwards made headlines earlier this year with claims about the number of young black men in prison. As the Post Fact Checker recalls:
"The idea that we can keep incarcerating and keep incarcerating -- pretty soon we're not going to have a young African-American male population in America. They're all going to be in prison or dead. One of the two."
--John Edwards, MTV political forum, September 27, 2007"We have more work to do when more young black men languish in prison than attend colleges and universities across America."
--Barrack Obama, NAACP forum, July 12, 2007.
According to the Fact Checker, these claims just ain't so. On Obama's college/prison claim:
According to 2005 Census Bureau statistics, the male African-American population of the United States aged between 18 and 24 numbered 1,896,000. According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, 106,000 African-Americans in this age group were in federal or state prisons at the end of 2005. See table 10 of this report. If you add the numbers in local jail (measured in mid-2006), you arrive at a grand total of 193,000 incarcerated young Black males, or slightly over 10 percent.
According to the same census data, 530,000 of these African-American males, or twenty eight percent, were enrolled in colleges or universities (including two-year-colleges) in 2005. That is five times the number of young black men in federal and state prisons and two and a half times the total number incarcerated. If you expanded the age group to include African-American males up to thirty or thirty five, the college attendees would still outnumber the prisoners.
On Edwards' claim that young black males will become an extinct population:
The problem, however, is that he made no effort to define his terms. He claimed that the "young African-American male population" is threatened with extinction. It is hardly the first time he has made such wild generalizations. In a March 2006 speech, Edwards made the following, equally sweeping and equally erroneous, statement: "Young African American men see their options as going to prison or dying. As a result, they don't invest in their education, they don't invest in their futures and when they father children, they don't support them."
Whew! If his fellow North Carolinian Jesse Helms had come up with a claim like that, he would never have been allowed to forget it.
As for violent deaths, we asked the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention for a list of the ten leading causes of death for black males, aged 18 to 24, in 2004. The top three causes of death in this age group were (1) homicide (2,140 deaths), unintentional injury (948 deaths), and suicide (332 deaths). Deaths from HIV AIDS ranked sixth (67 deaths.) If we add the homicide, suicide, and HIV deaths together, we get 2,539 deaths. That is a combined death rate from violent causes or AIDS of around 0.13 percent for this segment of the population. Hardly an epidemic.
As the Post Fact Checker notes, the situation is bad enough for young black men that it doesn't need to be exaggerated. One solution goes largely unmentioned by Obama and Edwards--if they really want to keep a lot of young black men (and others) out of prison, end the idiotic Drug War. According to Drug War Facts:
Whole excellent Post Fact Checker article here.Of the 250,900 state prison inmates serving time for drug offenses in 2004, 133,100 (53.05%) were black, 50,100 (19.97%) were Hispanic, and 64,800 (25.83%) were white.
So if I understand the article correctly, Obama and Edwards are Liars !
It can’t be ... politicians don’t lie. //sarc
Those facts are so inconvenient, aren’t they?
This has nothing to do with anything ... but today is “Al” Sharpton’s birthday. I’d like to see what he and Jesse have to say about this.
HAHAHA! Graduate of Columbia school of journalism? ;-D
It appears that they are just repeating Hillary's talking points from Media Matters and they don't know nor care about the facts.
How about also ending the Welfare State’s attack on the Black Family.
They are quoting from the Post, which prints newsiness items versus news. Kind of like fake but accuratiness.
Another pulbic skool 'graduate', I daresay.
“But...(eyes fluttering).. Obama is such a clean cut and well spoken Black man. And I’ve got a crush on Him!”
Obama's screw up is that he just counted blacks actually in jail/prison. Counting blacks on probation brings the figure up. In 1995 there were 748,505 blacks on probation. Given the large percentage of these who would be of an age where they could be in college, adding the probation figures makes his statement plausible
LOL !
It’s a word that Colbert made up. I think it was voted best new word of the year last year.
I know the Post guys are mentally defective, but this is the Reason riter that don't no Inglish, Write?
I like articles where the first word in the title helps me decide whether to continue reading or not. I’m afraid I didn’t find a daffinition of ‘truthiness’ in my dickshownary.
Worth knowing. I wouldn't say they were deliberate liars. They may just have picked up factoids and not bothered checking them out. For example, on the last McLaughlin Group:
MR. BUCHANAN: No, John, because crime is going up, but it is not at record levels. It was much higher in 1970s and 1980s. Since then we have tripled the jail and prison population. And John, you cannot get away from the idea, which is true, that this is predominantly a minority phenomenon. Forty percent of young African-American males between 16 and 35 are in jail, in prison or on parole. They commit violent crimes at seven times the rate of white folks; Hispanics at three times the rate.
It looks like Pat was quite wrong about this, but I don't think he just made up the statistic.
Nor does anyone make a big deal about what was said. I wonder how many days this would have lead the headlines (and how many outraged citizen marches would have occurred) had a Republican said these things?
And pretty soon there won’t be any redheads.
If you add in the parolees then you also have to add in any who ever went to college.
TRUTHINESS is PC talk for TRUTHFULLNESS
HEY! I represent that remark!
I don't know, how many?
Oh, right, that’s right, can’t challenge the dogma that drugs are a victim-less crime, lest this get in the way of their ‘fact check.’
Do you mean that most of those incarcerated for drug crimes also serve concurrent sentences for crimes with "non-consenting victims" ? Perhaps, I don't know.
SEE i’m thinkin this......if you be nice and work hard..and you follow the golden rule....like as not you’ll never be a guest at the GRAY BAR HOTEL....
your turn...
When you start limiting it to certain age groups, it falls apart.
Almost all of those in prison on drug charges are there for drug dealing or drug trafficking, not possession.
If young black men (and others) want to stay out of prison, STOP DEALING DRUGS.
Sounds like a very good idea.
LOL. I'll have you know it's daffynition ...not daffinition. ;-D
I saw ‘02 Federal Bureau of Justice Statistics that found 52 percent of released convicts were back in jail within three years. Is recidivism part of your thinking too?
Part of it. The main thing I think of is that it's not the black middle class that's going to prison -- its the "boys in the 'hood". And let's not forget the ones who are not in prison only because they have not been caught yet
The bottom line is that the figures imply that a large percentage, if not the majority, of the young black men you see when you pass through the "inner city", are involved with the criminal justice system in some way
The truth doesn’t matter to the left.
Their motto is
By Any Means Necessary
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